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jmatthan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-05 12:03 PM
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Why are the Democrats not attacking

the judges who cleared the Army top brass.

It appears that there is a one way traffic about attack.

The Republicans play merry hell when the judges do something which they do not like. The Democrats play footsie amongst themselves in an identical situation.

I think that if you do not want to play in the same ball game - kindly leave the field!!

http://MoveTheUN.blogspot.com
Jacob Matthan
Oulu, Finland

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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-05 12:13 PM
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1. the Army's top brass weren't cleared by judges
they were cleared by the Army's inspector general.
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jmatthan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-05 12:29 PM
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4. THEN ATTACK HIM!!
eom
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Seabiscuit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-05 12:15 PM
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2. Howard Dean was right in 2003 about the "spineless Beltway Dems".
Only Barbara Boxer in the Senate and a handfull of Reps in the House have shown any spine since the election fiasco of 2004.

And what has/hasn't been done about the Diebold type of voting machines that leave no paper trail? Why did the Beltway Dems ignore this for four years after the 2000 election? Why didn't Kerry vigorously pursue this issue before and after the 2004 election? What has Congress done about this? Nothing?

If the Beltway Dems continue to play footsie with themselves and do nothing about such problems, they'll be handing Jeb Bush an 8 year mandate in 2008.
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-05 12:25 PM
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3. You have not been paying attention to the Bolton Hearings and other
recent events in the beltway such as fight over "nuclear option". . .Dems are finding their voice, standing up to the repugs, etc etc.

For example a Kerry speech from 4/21 you might enjoy, or maybe you'll just find fault w it.

http://kerry.senate.gov/v3/cfm/record.cfm?id=236760

John Kerry on Republican Congressional Leadership's Failure To Focus on Real Priorities of the American People

Below are the remarks of Senator John Kerry on the Senate floor this afternoon.

Senator John Kerry Washington's Broken: The Nuclear Option April 21, 2005 Remarks As Prepared for Delivery Senate Floor

Mr. President, the Republican “nuclear option” has been discussed endlessly on editorial pages, talk radio, and in this chamber. This ongoing debate is about much more than Senate procedure. At its core it’s a debate about where we’re headed and what kind of nation we want to become. And beneath it are questions about Washington, which seems headed in a direction that clashes with the will of the American people.

The fact we even are talking about this issue is a stark reminder that Washington is not fighting for the broad interests of the American people. From the outside looking in, our Democracy appears broken - endangered by one party rule intent on amassing power, often at the expense of real work the American people elected us to do.

In recent weeks alone we have witnessed as disturbing a course of events as I have ever seen in this city. Republican leaders of Congress are crossing lines that should never be crossed:

The line that says a leader in the House of Representatives should never carelessly threaten or intimidate federal judges. The line that says the leader of the Senate should never accuse those who disagree with his political tactics of waging a war against people of faith. The line that says respect for core constitutional principles should never be undermined by a political party’s quest for power. Most important of all, the line that says a political party’s leaders should never let their thirst for power overshadow the needs and interests of those who elected them - the American people.

It’s almost hard to believe that in a Congress where leaders of both parties once worked together to find common ground despite ideological differences, we face this moment at all.

Yesterday, when Jim Jeffords announced his retirement, I remembered a very different Washington that Jim’s words captured so eloquently almost four years ago. He spoke of a political tradition where leaders represented their states first. “They spoke their minds,” he said, “often to the dismay of their party leaders…and did their best to guide this city in the direction of our fundamental principles.”

My distinguished colleague, Senator Voinovich, had the courage to respect that tradition earlier this week, but such acts of courage, sadly, are increasingly rare. And I want to talk about this for just a minute. Senator Voinovich is being vilified on talk radio and the Internet for having the audacity to say he wanted more time and more testimony. Senator Voinovich did not say he planned to vote against the president’s nominee; he just said he wants to make an informed decision on a matter of great importance. That doesn’t seem so controversial, but my distinguished colleague, Senator Chafee said he had never seen such an act as Senator Voinovich’s in his four years in Washington.

Before the era of C-SPAN and 24-hour news and the World Wide Web, Senators showed courage and independence all the time. Senators did not think twice about acting on their conscience ahead of partisanship. Today, Senator Voinovich is subjected to widespread denigration in partisan circles, when Americans should really admire and respect his independence.

Open your eyes and look at what’s happening right now in Congress and you're quickly reminded that the people who run Washington have lost touch with the mainstream values and priorities of the American people.

What does it tell you when an embattled House Majority Leader is willing to go on talk radio and attack a Supreme Court Justice, let alone one appointed by Ronald Reagan and confirmed by a nearly unanimous Senate? A justice who ruled in favor of President Bush in Bush v. Gore. Ronald Reagan’s nominee to the highest court in the land can’t even escape Tom DeLay’s partisan assaults, and yet here on the floor of the Senate there’s no outcry - no moderating Republican voice willing to say this shocking attack has no place in our democracy.

I guess none of this should be a surprise - not after we learned what the Majority leader has planned this Sunday. The Majority Leader plans to headline a religious service devoted to defeating, I quote, a “filibuster against people of faith.” When the Leader of the Senate questions the faith of any Senator who opposes his procedural changes to Senate, he goes beyond endangering rules that protect the cherished rights of the minority in our democracy.

Make no mistake: this may be an isolated issue, but the rights of the minority are fundamental to our democracy, and diluting those rights would be a threat to our democracy.

Mr. President, forces outside the mainstream now seem to effortlessly push Republican leaders toward conduct the American people don't want from their elected leaders: Abusing power. Inserting the government into our private lives. Injecting religion into debates about public policy. Jumping through hoops to ingratiate themselves to their party’s base, while step by step, day by day, real problems that keep American families up at night fall by the wayside here in Washington.

Congress, Washington, and our democracy itself are being tested. We each have to ask ourselves, will we let this continue?

Will Republicans in the House continue spending the people’s time defending Tom DeLay, or will they get back to defending America? Will Republican Senators let their silence endorse Senator Frist’s appeal to religious division, or will they put principle ahead of partisanship, refuse to follow him across that line, and instead heal the wounds of this institution and begin addressing the countless challenges facing our nation?

It’s time to come together to fulfill our fundamental obligations to our soldiers and military families, who have sacrificed so much. It’s time to bring down gas prices and reduce our dependence on foreign oil. It’s time to find the common ground to cover the 11 million children in this country living without health insurance.

Are we really willing to allow Washington to become a place where they can rewrite the ethics rules to protect Tom DeLay - and then sell out the ethics of the American people by refusing to rewrite the law to provide health care to every child in America?

Are we really willing to allow the Senate to fall in line with the Majority Leader when he invokes faith to rewrite Senate rules to put substandard, extremist judges on the bench?

It’s not up to any one of us to tell another colleague what to believe as a matter of faith.

But I can tell you what I believe: When tens of thousands of innocent souls have perished in Darfur-when 11 million children are without health insurance-when our colossal debt subjects our economic future to the whims of Asian bankers-no one can tell me that faith demands this Senate spend its time arguing over a handful of judges. No one with those priorities can use my faith intimidate me.

It’s time we make it clear that we’re not willing to lay down and put this narrow, stubborn agenda ahead of our families, ahead of our Constitution, and ahead of our values.

The elected leadership in Washington owes the American people better than this. We must hold elected officials accountable and demand that Washington does the people’s business.

What’s at stake is far more than the loss of civility, or the sacrifice of bipartisanship. What’s at stake are our values as a country - like respecting the rights of the minority, separation of church and state, honesty and responsibility.

Every one of us knows there’s no crisis in confirming judicial nominations when over 90% of the president’s nominees have already been confirmed.

No, what’s at stake is something far greater - a struggle between a great political tradition in the United States that seeks common ground so we can do the common good - and a new ethic that, on any given issue, will use any means to justify the end of absolute victory over whatever and whoever stands in the way.

A new view that says if you don’t like the facts, just change them; if you can’t win playing by the rules, just rewrite them. A new view that says if you can’t win a debate on the strength of your argument, demonize your opponents. A new view that says it’s ok to ignore the overwhelming public interest as long as you can get away with it.

For what? For a so-called ‘nuclear option’ that seeks to put extreme, substandard judges on the federal bench against the will of the American people.

Why? Is it worth undermining our democracy on behalf of Priscilla Owens, who took contributions from Enron and Halliburton and ruled in their favor? Is it worth this distraction from the people’s business to confirm Charles Pickering, who fought against implementing the Voting Rights Act and manipulated the judicial system to reduce the sentence of a convicted cross-burner? Is it worth throwing out 200 years of Senate tradition to defend William Myers, Janice Rogers Brown and Bill Pryor, whom numerous members of the impartial American Bar Association deemed unqualified?

Mr. President, the fact that we even have to debate a nuclear option over these judges tells you this is all about one party rule and its quest for unchallenged power. It’s time to put Americans back in control of their own lives - and put Washington back on their side. It’s time get Washington under control, and that starts by restoring some accountability.

Accountability for all the false promises - like the failure to move toward energy independence. The truth is we’re more dependent on foreign oil than ever before, and Americans are suffering, paying $2.35 a gallon.

Accountability for breaking faith with military families, who unnecessarily struggle to pay the bills and deal with lost benefits when loved ones are called to duty.

Accountability for the fiscal insanity, for the record deficits, for the mounting debts that cede dangerous amount of control over America’s economic future to central bankers in Asia and oil cartels in the Middle East. That’s a debate we owe the American people.

Accountability for the 44 million Americans without health care, and middle class Americans one doctor’s bill away from bankruptcy, and especially the eleven million children - sons and daughters of working parents - without any health care at all.

That’s what the American people are willing to see Washington debate with passion. People are tired of politicians passionately seeking power and not much else. Americans sent us here to struggle with important questions - like how we make our great country stronger, or how we bring Americans together around our shared values without driving Americans farther apart.

We continue to witness a sad decline in the quality of our debate and a coarsening of dialogue in American politics. It’s not what our Founding Fathers envisioned, but, worse than that, it’s not what the American people expect of their leaders. We need to change it. We must at long last begin restoring what the American people want and haven’t had for far too long - a Washington that works for them.
 
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Southsideirish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-05 12:30 PM
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5. Oh come on, where were Kerry's cojones when we needed him?
He's done. Finis. Over
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-05 12:43 PM
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7. All I see on DU is whining that Dems don't do anything. . .and then when
a Dem does something, I see whining on DU because the Dem's name is Kerry.

At any rate I don't care what the guy does in 2008, which appears to be your only interest. I am happy that he (and others) is fighting the fight.
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jmatthan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-05 12:35 PM
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6. Great speech

but actions speak louder than words.

Kerry dropped the ball at the crucial time.

Kerry is not fit to talk as he does today.

Kerry has condemned all of you to servitude by not fighting when he had to.

Sorry, all Kerry's words mean nothing today - you have lost the ballot box because of Kerry.

Jacob Matthan
http://MoveTheUN.blogspot.com
Oulu, Finland
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-05 12:45 PM
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8. Too Bad Kerry Won't Crawl In A Hole and Die
To Satisfy You.

:sarcasm:





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jmatthan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-05 12:49 PM
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9. I have followed every word

of the Bolton hearings.

Remember, it is bloggers as Steven Clemons, who is publisher of the popular political blog

http://www.thewashingtonnote.com/

and Atrios, Daily Kos, Brad Blog, who are outing the data about Bolton and other incidents.

Your Democratic Senators (other than Barbara Boxer) and Congressmen and women (other than a handful as Dennis Kucinch, Cynthia McKinney, John Conyers Jr., etc) are absolutely worthless.

If the CIA said they could not get information - the Democrat Senators could not get it and they had to make a pathetic plea to Senator Lugar to help them get data. Absolutely powerless and useless, except at grandstanding.

Jacob Matthan
http://MoveTheUN.blogspot.com
Oulu, Finland
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-05 12:54 PM
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10. P. U. A. O. G. D. D. N. I. M.
Petty Uniformed Attacks On Good Dems Do Not Impress Me.

1. Judges did not clear the officers, as pointed out by another poster - it was a military matter

2. Unlike Repugs, Dems understand the concept of separation of powers and what the judiciary is about; and they are not likely to make veiled death threats ala Tom Delay. You act as if attacking judges is a good thing.

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Seabiscuit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-05 10:14 PM
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13. How do you know what I've been following or not?
Edited on Sat Apr-23-05 10:35 PM by Seabiscuit
Sure, now that Senators like Boxer and Kennedy are involved in fighting Bolton's assignment to the U.N., wimps like Kerry are grandstanding with lots of rhetoric. Let's see him follow through for a change.

Perhaps you missed his magnificent speeches on the floor of the Senate just prior to the vote on the Iraq War Resolution. Sure sounded good enough. Then guess what? He turned around and voted in favor of what he argued against in all those speeches. And ever since then he's been falling over backwards to falsely justify that vote and has made himself virtually indistinguishable from Bush. As if he didn't know better by the time Tim Russert asked him last summer following the official report that there were NO WMDs in Iraq if he would change his vote on the IWR knowing what he knew after that report came out, and Kerry incredibly answered "No."

Perhaps it slipped your mind that he ran for president as a war hero instead of as a strong critic of the rush to war which was based on endless repetitions of falsehoods, disinformation, outright fabrications and lies, violations of our Constitutional duty to uphold our international treaties and international law, violations of international law, etc., etc. A lot of good it did him: the Repukes sent their "Swift Boat" attack dogs after his "war hero" posturing and Kerry sat silent for what - six weeks? - before responding with too little too late. His image had been tarred and feathered in the media for too long by then. And he continued to refuse to criticize Bush for the fact that Bush went "AWOL" during his duty in the National Guard during the Vietnam War. Talk about strong leadership. Talk about a strong campaign. Excuse me while I :puke:

Perhaps you missed his promises to his supporters during the 2004 election campaign to fight for every vote all the way to the Supreme Court. He even had part of his website devoted to gathering donations for a legal team to deploy in states where he promised to challenge the results. Just prior to the vote count he deployed a large team of *pro-bono* lawyers (lawyers working without pay) to Ohio to prepare to take the battle to the courts. Then suddenly, in the early morning hours of the day after the election, Kerry CONCEDED and sent his lawyers home.

Which reminds me, what did he do with all the money he scammed from supporters to pay for the legal team he said would fight our battle in the courts for us? Anyone seen a refund yet? No? Didn't think so. Excuuuuse me while I :puke: again.

No, we do NOT need *that* kind of "spine" in our Democratic leaders in Washington, thank you very much. I'll say it again: Howard Dean was right when he castigated the "Spineless Beltway Dems" during the 2003 primary season.
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patricia92243 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-05 01:03 PM
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11. If you find the answer to that, please let the rest of us know :( n/t
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-05 07:35 PM
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12. Dems were major attack dogs for 2wks and most media won't cover their
speeches or press releases. They rarely allow even a soundbite from Dem leaders. The GOP control of the corporate media must be exposed.
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no_to_war_economy Donating Member (962 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-05 10:18 PM
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14. no balls is all
we cant scream and yell at everything the repukes do, we have to pick our fights

FUCK that mentality - go for the throat

this administration is at its weakest EVER, bury these bastards

metaphorical of course

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