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KlatooBNikto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-05 05:10 PM
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Colin Powell can redeem himself by telling the truth.
He has been a soldier all his life, obeying orders.That training might have blinded him to the disaster unfolding in Iraq wyhen he blatantly lied for Bush. It was clear that his heart was no longer in the game of pretense.When finally he told Bush we were losing the war in Iraq,Bush cashiered him.

At long last he has a chance to face history and be the one man who knows where the bodies are buried to emerge from his self imposed silence and confront Bush-Cheney-Rumsfeld with the truth.

I am sure most Americans will believe Powell and understand the reasons why he was so loyal for so long.

I hope he does it and soon.
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Lindacooks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-05 05:14 PM
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1. Sure, he can redeem himself.
If he can bring more than 100,000 people back to life.

Can't do that?

Then forget him.
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YDogg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-05 05:15 PM
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2. While I would welcome a dose of the truth ...
... I'm past the point of thinking that Powell can gain his reputation back. Too many missed opportunities to speak out and act out while in office for him to be forgiven by a huge percentage of out population. Not every "good soldier" would have sold out like he did.
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deutsey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-05 05:16 PM
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3. Don't hold your breath.
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KlatooBNikto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-05 05:19 PM
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4. What gives me hope is that he is reported as the one person who is
turning Republicans against John Bolton.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-05 07:45 PM
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20. Didn't Powell
come out against Bolton? I thought I read that.
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POAS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-05 05:24 PM
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8. Second that recommendation and
would add that these folks, Powell included, value blind loyalty ahead of honesty.
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Snotcicles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-05 05:19 PM
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5. If he cares anything about this country he will. He can Start with Bolton
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Ernesto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-05 05:20 PM
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6. "redeem himself"
Explain that to the Iraqi dead people & their families.
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driver8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-05 05:39 PM
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14. Exactly! Not to mention the American dead and their families...
It is going to take much more than that in order for Powell to redeem himself. Because of his "being a good little soldier" to shrubya...thousands and thousands of people have died or have been maimed.

He had his chance for redemption...but instead, he chose to go to the UN and lie for his boss.

As far as I'm concerned, it is a little too late. Fuck Colin Powell.
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-05 05:22 PM
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7. I like the line he came up with when they handed him that bit of
propaganda they wanted him to read... something to the effect, "I'm not reading this, this is bullshit". Heh heh... he could recognize it way back then.... wonder why this line isn't attributed to him on Fox news... day after day after day... after day... oh wait, they have their own propaganda to spread day after day after day....... nevermind.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-05 07:46 PM
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21. So why did he go along with it then??
Why, in the beginning, didn't he say "fuck you" to Bush?
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-05 05:26 PM
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9. He can't redeem himself but he can come clean
He owes that to the country and to all that have died in Iraq. Powell was Bush's enabler period.
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Malva Zebrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-05 05:27 PM
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10. I don't think so
the impulse to preserve his image as a sober analyst of truth, will prevail even if he has to lie.

He is set to write a book or sit on the board of some corporation for easy bucks, and titillate us all with his "revelations"

The man is only looking out for himself and has no conscience, imo, and is not to be excused because he is "military" and programmed to obey orders.

Compare with Gen. Clark, for instance.
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kliljedahl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-05 05:30 PM
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11. Can't be done
I lost whatever respect I had for him after the UN testimony. He can remove some of the stain from his legacy, but he'll never get it clean. Sorry Colin, you're a lying sack of shit.


Keith’s Barbeque Central
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rock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-05 05:33 PM
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12. No he can't
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-05 05:35 PM
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13. Powell was and is his own man
He made his own decisions. Powell was not blinded by anything. Powell knew full well his own doctrine for military strategy was being erased in favor of Rummy's doctrine...and Powell kept his mouth shut.
Powell knew full well the mistakes the Bush administration was making. Yet he remained quiet. Powell is no fool. He knows how to run a military campaign and he knew Rummy and Bush were making bad calls.

It was the Powell Doctrine that re-created the military after Vietnam. Powell was instrumental in making the military stronger and better. Then he not only sat back and watched, he aided in it's destruction under Shrub. He did so by lying and supporting the invasion of Iraq.


No one forced him to do anything. It was not a sense honor that made him lie for the Bush administration. It was not a sense of duty that caused him to betray America by lying. He wasn't supposed to be loyal to Bush, he was supposed to be loyal to America and to Americans. He wasn't.

He's complicit in all things Bush. Nothing exonerates him. Nothing.

Telling the truth would in no way merit him kinder favor. You tell the truth and you still must face the consequences for your actions.

Murderers confess all the time...doesn't make them heroes.

Powell gets no pass.







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pscot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-05 05:46 PM
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15. Horseshit
N/T
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-05 05:47 PM
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16. The best he can hope for from me is that I will no longer
call him a fuckwad. Speaking a bit of truth will elevate him to dickhead. Little more and he gets asshole. If he's really good, maybe, just maybe, I'll call him a pathetic sellout.

He lied for them when his voice was the most trusted of any of them. He is, at the very best, an enabler.

I'll take my general over him any day of the week.

By the way, this isn't the first time he's carried water for the homeboys. Can anyone say My Lai?

Read about it here ... from waaaay back in 1995 .....

http://www.usvetdsp.com/story13.htm

Here's a four paragraph snip ......

As an Army officer, Powell's superiors considered him a consummate "team player." They could count on Powell to haul their water despite any contradictory feelings he may have had. Powell's blind loyalty was demonstrated during a second tour in Vietnam (1968-1969), where as deputy assistant chief of staff for operations G-3 at Americal Division headquarters in Chu Lai, he was asked to handle a potentially embarrassing letter a young soldier had written to Gen. Creighton Abrams, commander of all U.S. forces in Vietnam.

The soldier had written about rumors of a massacre that Americal Division soldiers had committed in the hamlet of My Lai 4 in South Vietnam. Although he did not mention My Lai in the letter, the soldier complained that Americal soldiers were indiscriminately killing Vietnamese civilians. Such acts, the young soldier warned, "are carried on at entire unit levels and thereby acquire the aspect of sanctioned policy."

Several days after he received a copy of the letter, Powell sent a memo to his superior, the adjutant general, making the outrageous claim that the young soldier had not given enough specifics upon which to base an inquiry. The purposely blind Powell said the soldier's charges were false except for "isolated instances." He wrote that "relations between American soldiers and the Vietnamese are excellent." Powell's damage control efforts soon proved fruitless and the My Lai massacre burst onto the world stage like an atomic explosion, severely damaging the U.S. war effort in Vietnam. On the orders of Lt. William Calley, soldiers from the U.S. Army Americal Division had indeed indiscriminantly gunned down an entire village of men, women and children.

Although Powell's attempt to cover up the massacre was unsuccessful, he had at least proven his willingness to do what was necessary to please his bosses. For his two tours of duty in Vietnam, Powell, who was never exposed to serious combat, was awarded the Purple Heart for a minor foot wound he received after stepping on a "punji stick." He was later awarded a Bronze Star for heroism and the Soldiers Medal for pulling two men free from a non-combat related helicopter crash.
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Prisoner_Number_Six Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-05 05:57 PM
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17. Let him start here, at the beginning. (Warning: Graphic picture)
Mi Lai

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KlatooBNikto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-05 07:43 PM
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18. I ilken Powell to MacNamara.Both of these men has a smidgen of
conscience that ganwed at their insides after they became part of the
killings.MacNamara waited a long time before making a clean breast of his guilt in his book IN RETROSPECT. I would like Powell to expose the entire hoax that the Bush administration has become.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-05 07:44 PM
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19. I wonder if he would
:shrug: I wonder if he would though. I remember he said that he regrets helping Bush. Would anybody believe him though (besides us)?
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merbex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-05 07:46 PM
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22. I wouldn't care if he told the truth now
He took the oath swearing to uphold the Constitution against all enemies foreign AND DOMESTIC.

Did he forget that part?

Lying to Congress falls under what category?

How does he live with himself?
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deacon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-05 07:49 PM
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23. DOn't hold your breath, he hasn't done anything honorable in years n/t
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