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4dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-24-05 07:58 AM
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Oil Wars
http://321energy.com/editorials/chapman/chapman042505.html

They know about Peak oil!! They know and they are not telling the masses..

It should not be surprising that you probably would not find many out there who believe we are in the early stages of oil wars that will dominate the first half of this century. And if oil is the commodity of choice in the first half of this century then water will probably become the focal point in the second half of the century. But right now it is oil that is up front. Oil (energy) is the engine of the global economy. Without it we could quickly revert to a Road Warrior type of world run by warlords whose armies fight over the remaining pockets and supplies of oil (energy). That still might be our future baring of course some huge changes in how we run our economies or major discoveries and conversion to alternative forms of energy.

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But a major cut in US consumption is not about to happen as vested interests in USA Inc. meaning big oil and other large US corporations would be negatively impacted. Instead the devotion seems to be directed towards securing and protecting sources of oil. The current US administration has numerous well documented ties to big oil. As soon as they took power in 2000 they moved quickly to set up an energy task force under VP Dick Cheney the former chairman of Halliburton the world’s largest Oil Services Company.

They acknowledged very quickly that oil production peaked in the US in 1970 and was now well below that peak. There was the acknowledgement that discoveries of new sources of oil have fallen every decade over the past thirty plus years. They acknowledge that unconventional sources of oil (oil sands, shale fields, heavy oil) are plentiful but expensive to extract and getting at the best of it will be cost even more. They acknowledged the US dependency on foreign imports, now exceeding well over 50% of requirements and that it was growing and in the not too distant future will approach 90% of requirements. There is the acknowledgement that 65% of the world’s known reserves lie in the volatile Mid-East primarily in Saudi Arabia, Iraq and around the Caspian Sea.
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lostinacause Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-24-05 08:57 AM
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1. where does this say anything about peak oil?
It only says that American production peaked in 1970. Canadian production is expected to continue to grow and much of the production in Canada is coming from areas that have already been developed (Alberta).
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mhr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-24-05 09:00 AM
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2. Peak Oil Is The Subtext Throughout The Article
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4dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-24-05 09:07 AM
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3. thanks
The last paragraph I posted is all about peak oil.. They(cheney and the rest of the neocons) know about peak oil.. they know these is no way the world can continue on its current binge of consumption of oil.. They know its now or never in getting what oil's left in the world for the US and its allies..

I firmly believe there are going to be radical changes in the next 5-10 years in our lives because of oil.. They are not going to be pretty and ignoring the problem until its too late is just crazy!! But you know what, we will shoot ourselves in the foot before we do anything about..



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lostinacause Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-24-05 07:46 PM
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7. The last paragraph that you posted was specific to America's situation.
I don't know what the production forecasts for any country beyond America and Canada, but given that Canada (Alberta) has been drilling for 80 some years and is still increasing production, I would expect most countries who have been drilling for less time to be more likely to be increasing production too. Peak oil is a supply issue. The focus of this article is the demand of oil.
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lostinacause Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-24-05 07:38 PM
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6. Peak oil is not the subtext.
The article is about the demand for oil and the political implications that it is having. There are also issues that were brought up about America's relationship with the countries that currently have a large share of the known oil reserves.
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mhr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-05 06:20 AM
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8. What Prey Tell Do You Think Peak Oil Is All About
We Want The Oil. They Have The Oil.
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rustydad Donating Member (753 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-24-05 09:33 AM
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4. How it ends
Is the big question. Peak oil is here today, right now. The only thing in question is who gets less from now on. Many countries can tighten their belts and get by on less. Here in the US there is scads of waste that we could do without, yet will we? It seems that those in charge would rather party on till the end, or the cliff. It is hard to get into their heads to figure out just what they are thinking. Do they really think we can somehow control the Mid East oil producers? Especially after Iraq? Do they plan on an all out nuclear war in the ME that would drastically reduce the population and therefor the problems of insurgencies? Do they think Russia, China, India, the EU would let us take over the ME? Do they have a plan or are they just fools? One other possibility is that they are playing for time while meanwhile gutting this country financially. Are they like the corporate raiders who would buy a corporation and gut it by selling off the assets, pocketing the money and skipping out? Financially the US has gone from pretty good in 2000 to hellishly in debt in 2005. Where did all the money go? I really hope that these bastards are just fleecing us and not leading us to Armageddon. Bob
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4dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-24-05 09:37 AM
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5. Interesting question you posed,,
Who will get less is the big question that nobody is really asking..

Now here an article about what should be done and done now, not later.. Its an interesting read for sure..

http://www.321energy.com/editorials/freeman/freeman032105.html

The alternative to Grab the Oil is to dispense with the hobbling dependency on oil itself and to quickly wean the country off of it. Call it the path of Energy Reconfiguration. It is to declare a modern day Manhattan Project aimed at minimizing the draw down in the world’s finite stocks of oil, extending their life, and mitigating the calamity inherent in their rapid exhaustion. It means building a physical infrastructure to the economy that is based on an alternative to oil. And it means doing this, not unilaterally or militarily as the US is doing now, but in peaceful partnership with other countries of the world, the other counties in our shared global lifeboat that are also threatened by the end of oil.

In more specific terms, energy reconfiguration means retrofitting all of the nation’s buildings, both commercial and residential, to double their energy efficiency. It means a crash program to shift the transportation system—cars, trucks—to a basis that uses perhaps half as much oil per year. This is well within reach of current technology. Energy Reconfiguration means using biotechnology to develop crops that require much less fertilizers, pesticides, herbicides and machinery to harvest. It means refitting industrial and commercial processes—lighting, heating, appliances, automation, etc.—so that they, too, consume far less energy than they do today. It means increasing efficiency, reducing consumption, and building sustainable, long-term alternatives in every arena in which the economy uses oil.

Such a program would return incalculable benefits to national security, the economy, and to the environment.
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