To leave Iraq now

[SHRED]

Why can't we again?

Besides the real reason: the oil fields.

[WilliamPitt]

1. There's too much money to be made there

[katinmn]

2. would be to admit a lie

gotta propagate the lie that we are there to bring freedom and democracy to the ME.

[pie]

3. it would be harder for Bush to gut the treasury

"This is easy as punkin' pa,
and me like punkin' pa."

[SHRED]

5. Good point

The hidden agenda.

[pie]

8. Apologists for 'can't leave till they're like us' policy better wake up

[B Calm]

4. Well we have to fix what we broke. At least that's what they're

saying now. In the mean time we keep making a mess.. Catch 22???

[pie]

9. We need to PAY FOR what we broke: let others do the fixing

Iraq, The Arab League, the EU, Russia...
let them do the fixing.
Raise taxes on the rich to foot the bill.
(Never going to happen, I know.)

[applegrove]

10. You gotta wonder if a small amount of insurgents are not what the

doctor ordered. But the insurgents are way too successful.

The Iraqi army is 155,000 strong soon. They need to get a little bigger and then the USA will have no excuse but to leave.

And of course they will not leave - they will have bases there.

But at least if the army leaves then the insurgents will be killing mostly Iraqis and that never goes over well when terrorists kill civilians. So the insurgents will have to tone down or make a deal with the new Iraqi democracy.

The sooner American troops leave. The better. But not until there is an army there that can maintain the peace.

Otherwise it will be another two generations of hell for the Iraqi people.

They deserve better.

[welshTerrier2]

6. because BOTH PARTIES want us to be there

the supplemental funding to continue the Iraq war just passed the Senate with total support from the Democrats ...

if bush wants to have this occupation continue (and he does) and there's NO OPPOSITION in the Senate, we can't leave because there's no one voting to make it happen ...

Democrats are running as far away from "PEACE" as they can get ... they've clearly made the choice that "PEACE" is seen as weak and are worried that voting for "PEACE" will be seen as weak, left-wing extremism ...

we expect this type of hawkish bullshit from the republicans ... now bush's occupation enjoys two-party support ... it's really tragic ...

[SHRED]

12. the timid Dems

A sickening bunch, for the most part.

[MichiganVote]

7. Iraq and why

The Bush administration

(1. Iraq has "links" with terrorists (Oops! Proven untrue)

(2. Iraq has WMD (Doggone it! Proven untrue)

(3. The Iraqi people want free elections (And we don't?)

(4. To transition the country toward liberation (Umm..its like two years later folks)

(5. To continue to train Iraqi's to handle their security (Uh...numbers? Statistics? Anything?, No, didn't think so)

(6. To reduce terrorism in the region (And that would be why the WH suppressed a State Dept. report that showed increases in terrorism in 2003 and 2004)

(7. To help the poor Iraqi's who want us to stay (No electricity, limited water, increased insurgency and retaliatory strikes that kill the locals)

(8. To rebuild the country (Sure, housing for later American businessmen and others who will exploit the oil)

$300 billion and counting, over 1500 Americans dead, thousands more wounded, peanuts to the neocons, mere peanuts

[merh]

11. Just some interesting reading.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3532732

[OneBlueSky]

13. oil is one reason . . . the other is . . .

the BushCo intention to remain in Iraq permanently, and to develop it as the US base of operations in the region (replacing Saudi Arabia) . . . an intention that goes back to before Bush was selected and that was one of the prime reasons for the Iraqi invasion in the first place . . . and for the subsequent, permanent occupation . . .

[tavalon]

14. PNAC

PNAC, PNAC, PNAC, PNAC, PNAC, PNAC................