Who's got numbers of civilians dead in Iraq and Afghanistan?

[DrWeird]

I remember reading 30,000 in Iraq alone.

[wryter2000]

1. There are no numbers

Bush* refuses to count. Any numbers you read are speculation.

[Another Bill C.]

2. Here's the latest guesstimate

http://www.iraqbodycount.net/

[protect freedom impeach bush now]

3. 20,000 civilians wounded in the Iraq war. +/-18,000 dead

http://famulus.msnbc.com/FamulusIntl/reuters08-07-020037.asp?reg=MIDEAST


Iraq war's 20,000 wounded civilians ignored -group

By Andrew Cawthorne
REUTERS

LONDON, Aug. 7 — Around 20,000 civilians were wounded in the Iraq war and the U.S.-British occupiers are ignoring their suffering, a research group said on Thursday in what it termed the first study of the conflict's casualty toll. ''The maimed civilians of Iraq have been brushed under the carpet,'' the Iraq Body Count (IBC) said.

The Anglo-American group of academics and peace activists chided U.S. and British postwar administrators for failing to set up programmes for the wounded or pay them compensation. ''A sizeable if as yet unknown proportion of Iraqi families will contain a relative whose life was ended or put on hold by the U.S. or British forces,'' it said in a report seen by Reuters prior to publication on its website, www.iraqbodycount.net.
''Even if only in self-interest, the U.S. and UK administrations should be putting the needs of the injured at the very heart of its strategy to 'win hearts and minds'.''

The report, titled ''Adding Indifference to Injury,'' said the IBC had calculated civilian casualties known so far as between a minimum of 16,439 and maximum 19,733. Incomplete information about casualties meant that the maximum figure was likely to be a closer approximation to the real total and might itself be an under-estimate, it said. The IBC's figures were based on media reports and counting projects from independent investigators up to July 6.

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