A Memorial to the Victims of Communism

[allerna332]

The Victims of Communism Memorial Foundation, a non-profit organization, was established by an Act of Congress to build a memorial in Washington, DC to commemorate the more than 100 million victims of communism; to honor those who successfully resisted communist tyranny; to educate current and future generations about communism's crimes against humanity; and to pay tribute to those who helped win the Cold War.

Foundation Update
By Dr. Lee Edwards, Chairman
April 13, 2005
We have an official site for our Memorial to the more than 100 million victims of communism.

After nearly 18 months of hearings before federal and city commissions, we received final, official approval on April 7 of our site at the intersection of Massachusetts Avenue, N.W., New Jersey Avenue, N.W., and G Street, N.W. Our site is across from the Georgetown University Law Center and only two blocks from Union Station and the Metro. There is a clear view of the U.S. Capitol, topped by the famous Statue of Freedom.

There are many people to thank for this crucial step, including officials of the National Park Service, principals of Hartman-Cox Architects, and especially Lawrence Thomas of Advisory Neighborhood Commission 6C, who personally made the motion to approve the site at a crucial ANC meeting.

The next step is to secure official approval of our design concept. We will go before the same commissions that approved our site, a process that should take 3 to 4 months. Which means that we could break ground for our Memorial this fall and could have our dedication ceremony in the late summer or early fall of 2006.

We invite you to join us now at this exciting moment in our history and help us achieve one final goal--raising the remaining $300,000 needed to build the nation's first Memorial to the victims of communism.

Please help this memorial be built, the victims of Communism rarely get a voice and rarely get heard

http://www.victimsofcommunism.org

[enki23]

1. while we're at it, let's make one for the victims of capitalism

we can count every single WWI and WWII casualty, civilian and otherwise. it's every bit as valid. the us civil war. vietnam. the dead in south and central america, killed by rightwing death squads and oppressive US backed government armies and militias. i'm sure we could comple a very, very large list. one which would dwarf even their bullshit numbers.

[ET Awful]

2. Yup, we can count the victims of Pinochet, the victims of Honduran

death squads, the thousands killed the Contras and so on.

[allerna332]

3. So mass slaughter is ok then?

I guess as long as it is for the revolution its ok to mass slaughter people

[allerna332]

4. yeah its all bullshit because under communism everyone held hands and sang

....

[xchrom]

8. what an interesting response?

why did you think they were attacking capitalism -- rather than pointing out the irony of the one system -- perfectly culpable of great wrong -- memorializing the wrongs of another?

[enki23]

5. way to be an idiot

and, it's all bullshit, because under capitalism everyone held hands and sang.

get it yet?

EDIT: way to change this post's content completely. oddly, you made it worse in the process. in any case, you're now twice an idiot. seriously.

get back to me when you stop beating your wife and kids.

[ET Awful]

6. Hmmm, I don't see where I said that, good job of manufacturing

your argument out of thin air.

Please explain where you get that out of what I said. Then explain why you discount the victims of capitalism such as the victims of Pinochet (who Nixons government put into power), or the Contras (who Reagan and Bush supported).

[allerna332]

9. where do you get that i discount the victims of the contras or pinochet?

[ET Awful]

12. Let's see, you reply to a post requesting that we honor the victims of

capitalism, among which are the victims of Pinochet and the Contras, instead of acknowledging this, you ignore the post completely and come up with a strawman argument about not caring if people are slaughtered.

You don't even acknowledge the victims of people that conservatives put in power because of their capitalist favorability, instead you ignore them and attack those who say those victims deserve recognition.

I get it from your own posts.

[allerna332]

14. your very odd

I havent mentioned the victims of pinochet and the contras, whats next are you going to label me a "freeper" and push the alert button

[alcibiades_mystery]

10. So massive profits are OK, then

So long as the millions of people they kill aren't seen in mass graves, masssive profits are fabuloso. :eyes:

[Darranar]

36. No, don't stop there...

Compile a list of all those who have died thanks to hunger and disease resulting from neoliberal capitalism.

THAT would probably be considerably longer than any comparable list of communism's victims, especially when one takes into account the increases of life expectancy in, say, Cuba or China.

[H2O Man]

7. Do you mean for Mary Dalton?

I thought they convicted Bigger Thomas, thus clearing Jan Erlone from all suspicion. Even if this Dr. Edwards still suspects Jan, he needs to realize that "Native Son" was a work of ficion. Richard Wright should get the memorial.

[H2O Man]

27. Will no one answer?

Did Mary Dalton die in vain?

[BurgherHoldtheLies]

11. How about a Memorial to the Victims of Religion....

Catholics vs Protestants, Jews vs. Muslims, Hindus vs Muslims, Christians vs Jews, etc. etc.

Oh, and all victims of witch trials, the Spanish Inquisition, attacks on people of science.....

[allerna332]

13. why not start with this

History of Communism
Documenting Communism's Crimes Against Humanity
In October 1917, the Bolshevik Revolution -- the murderous Russian coup-d'etat -- birthed the deadliest mass killing force ever visited upon the human race: Communism. In less than 100 years, Communism has claimed more than 100 million lives. Today, it continues to enslave one-fifth of the world's people.
And yet the United States, Communism's greatest challenger and a symbol of freedom to the world, has no memorial to commemorate these victims. We have no enduring reminder of the murderous legacy of totalitarianism. We have no place to teach current and future generations why America fought to end what President Kennedy called the "long twilight struggle" against Communist oppression.


Never Forget
This must change. A free people cannot afford to forget the evils of Communism. We cannot allow the atrocities of Lenin, Stalin, Mao, and Castro to fade into the background of history. We must not forget the trail of blood and tears this utopian deception always leaves behind:
When the Bolsheviks murdered their way into power...

When Lenin destroyed hundreds of thousands of Cossacks...

When the Kremlin starved more than six million in Ukraine...

When Mao murdered tens of millions of Chinese peasants during his "land reforms"...

When Ho Chi Minh sent 850,000 Vietnamese to their graves in "education camps"...

When Castro buried dissenters in the infamous Isle of Pines...

When the student voices of freedom were silenced at Tiananmen Square...

Its funny i thought "progressives" would want to remember victims of genocide, i guess not ....

[ET Awful]

15. Hmmm, considering that none of those regimes was really

communist, but instead practiced a corrupt and twisted form of government that the power hungry base chose to call communism, your argument falls flat.

The truth is that there has NEVER been a communist government that actually followed the theories and practices of communism as laid out by Marx and Engels. It's never happened.

Now, shall we discuss the thousands killed by Honduran death squads sponsored by the US? How about the Contras, also sponsored by the US? Pinochet? Panama? Guatemala? I'm surprised you aren't willing to address the issue.

[allerna332]

16. do you support the memorial?

[ET Awful]

17. I support A memorial, but the memorial you mentioned is NOT a

memorial to the deceased, it's a thinly veiled monument to your conservative idols that tried to lay false claim to the fall of the Soviet Union (which would have collapsed under its own weight).

[allerna332]

19. lol "your conservative idols"

so being against genocidal regimes makes you a conservative? wow what kind of world do you live in

[ET Awful]

21. Mmmmmhmmmm.

If you were against genocidal regimes, you'd be addressing the multiple questions about Pinochet, etc. Or perhaps you'd be addressing current problems with genocide in Darfur.

But, apparently, you're not really interested in genocide, but in pushing a memorial that does more to idolize those who lay false claim to historical events.

[allerna332]

23. actually the only person who couldnt care about genocide is you

you cant even address the memorial without straying off topic

[ET Awful]

26. LOL . . . there you go yet again, let's see, look a few posts up

where I say I support a memorial? Do you have trouble with reading comprehension?

I don't support this memorial because this memorial is a monument to false claims by revisionist historians about the role that Republican administrations played in the collapse of the Soviet Union.

Now why don't you quit making stuff up and READ?

[allerna332]

34. speaking of making things up

"I don't support this memorial because this memorial is a monument to false claims by revisionist historians about the role that Republican administrations played in the collapse of the Soviet Union."

Please show your proof to the comment you made above

[ET Awful]

35. Simply look at the description of the memorial.

If it was to memorialize the victims, it would not need to have any mention of anyone BUT the victims. Once you involved anyone else, you are trying to glorify people, not memorialize victims.

I have never seen a holocaust memorial that honors the Soviet Union (who, after all, were the ones who were most instrumental in liberating the camps).

A memorial to those who died is supposed to be a memorial to those who died, not others who may or may not have had an influence after they died.

[K-W]

25. Its about making propaganda immortal.

So that nobody will ever remember that communism was just a philosophy. The problem with the communists wasnt the philosophy they either warped or hijacked, it was that the power structures in their respective societies were authoritarian and oppressive, like the people who came into power in similarly unstable countries under capitalist or other philosophies.

[BurgherHoldtheLies]

When they erect a memorial to victims of religion,

then I'll contribute to a memorial for victims of communism.

[K-W]

18. American mythology.

I cant even comprehend the web of lies that constitutes official US history.

[allerna332]

20. wow

i cant believe how ignorant some of you people are, so nobody died under communism it was all american lies??

[ET Awful]

22. There you go again.

Nobody said that. You manufactured it yet again.

Do you ever present your argument from a position of honesty, or do you simply manufacture strawman arguments?

[allerna332]

24. i guess you have trouble reading

American mythology.


I cant even comprehend the web of lies that constitutes official US history.

[ET Awful]

28. So let's see . . .

He says that official US History is a web of lies, anyone who actually researches history can tell you this. Pick up a history book that is typically taught in school, and see if they tell you anything about . . . say the Harlan County Coal wars in which people who struck for basic human rights and working conditions were beaten and shot by National Guard troops. . . you won't find it in official history books, but it happened.

Now, nowhere did the poster say that nobody died as a result of governments that claimed to be communist (once again, there has never been a government that actually practised communism, as anyone who has even given a cursory reading to the writings of Marx can tell you).

[Sterling]

30. Enjoy your short stay.

Douche.

[allerna332]

33. lol

this is what gives your board a bad reputation, gee it must be so hard for you to accept somebody with a differing opinion that you have to try and ban them! i cant believe some of the intolerant people on this board

[mogster]

38. Tolerance starts

at app. 120 post count.

Besides, you're not actually Gandhi yourself, mister.

[K-W]

32. Communism is a philosophy. People dont die under communists.

They die under tyrants and criminals.

Find me one philosophy in the history of the world that hasnt been held by both good and bad people and one that hasnt been corrupted by power.

[ComerPerro]

29. Don't. Feed.The. Trolls.

[H2O Man]

31. I can't believe

that they refuse to speak our about poor Mary Dalton.

[Darranar]

37. Stalinist "communism" and bourgeois "capitalism" are...

two sides of the same coin.

Both concentrate power in the hands of the few, which is always disastrous.

"Under capitalism, man exploits man. Under communism, it's just the opposite."