This AM ...people cared about Kent State...tonight , does anyone?

[tyedyeto]

There were several threads this morning, but now...nothing.

Does anyone tonight remember or give a shit?

Americans killing Americans who were protesting another unjust war at the command of the President (Nixon). Can the same happen today?

[BamaLefty]

1. 4 Dead In Ohio...

Sad day. Sad times.

Yes, I give a shit. We should all "give a shit" about history... be it Hitler or Mother Teresa, it's still history.

[tyedyeto]

3. Thank you......

I remember... even tho I was just about ready to graduate from High school. This was a sad yet revealing part of our history...the violent put down of free speech in our country. Wanna protest? You might get killed doing so. Now, the Noe-cons are somewhat more subtle............the Patriot Act has ensured us of that.

[charlyvi]

9. Some of us were in our early adulthood when it happened

BamaLefty. It doesn't feel like history to us; actually, it feels like the same crap is brewing--we've got much more reason today.


Hey, BamaLefty--I'm in Bama too!

:toast:

[charlyvi]

2. In Memorium

OHIO

Tin soldiers and nixon coming,
We’re finally on our own.
This summer I hear the drumming,
Four dead in ohio.

Gotta get down to it
Soldiers are gunning us down
Should have been done long ago.
What if you knew her
And found her dead on the ground
How can you run when you know?

Gotta get down to it
Soldiers are gunning us down
Should have been done long ago.
What if you knew her
And found her dead on the ground
How can you run when you know?

Tin soldiers and nixon coming,
We’re finally on our own.
This summer I hear the drumming,
Four dead in ohio.

[Elwood P Dowd]

4. Crosby, Stills, Nash, & Young

I was 23 and about to be drafted when Kent State happened. It was not a happy time.

[charlyvi]

5. No. I remember the day.

Felt numb; one of those "how could this happen here" moments. I'm experiencing quite a few of these moments lately.

:-(

[tyedyeto]

6. Yes...Neil Young was right on about what happened! n/t

[asjr]

7. Yes, I cared then and I care now. It was one of the

most horrible episodes in the history of our country. I am holding my breath because I fear it might happen again.

[tyedyeto]

8. "I am holding my breath because I fear it might happen again"...

that is why I feel strongly about this 'memorial' day.

[FloridaPat]

10. I remember it well too. I was 22 and on my way to a visit at Penn State.

When I first heard about it I thought they said Penn State. And so many more had to die before the government finally gave up and got out of Vietnam.

As for today - it can happen in a New York Minute. The repubs will do anything to stay in power and.or out of jail.

[tyedyeto]

12. I have often thought that today's Repugs/Neocons....

would endorse what happened 35 years ago...or even go beyond that to further their agenda.

[charlyvi]

16. And we probably would not hear about it.

Their stranglehold on the media is so complete.

[proud2BlibKansan]

38. Yep they are endorsing it all right

Twisting the facts, claiming the students deserved to be killed.

I will forever wonder how these assholes sleep at night.

[knowbody0]

11. none of us could believe

that they shot them down. we had nearly perfected demonstrations by then and were getting some fair press. nixon absolutely hated us. no one ever paid for this crime.

[charlyvi]

18. Another tragic aspect of Kent State

was the National Guard soldiers who did the shooting were barely older than the students. I wonder how it has affected their lives.

[tyedyeto]

21. I don't know...has anyone followed up....

on that aspect?

[charlyvi]

22. Not that I know. n/t

[proud2BlibKansan]

39. I saw a documentary

I think it was on PBS several years ago. Several of the guardsmen were interviewed. Most seemed to regret what happened and claimed they were merely following orders.

One guy said he knew of another guardsman who had killed himself over the guilt.

[tyedyeto]

40. Thank you for your reply.....

I didn't see that documentary and I've been an avid PBS viewer over the years.

I wondered what the 'Joe-Blow' NG's-man who was there actually felt that day even tho I was more in-tune with the protesters.

[proud2BlibKansan]

41. I don't remember for sure if it was PBS

Could have been a cable channel. But I also watch a lot of PBS so I am assuming that's where I saw it.

And yes, it was quite touching listening to those guardsmen all those years later.

[Elwood P Dowd]

13. One year later I was in the Army

stationed in Washington, D.C. I attended the demonstrations and concerts Saturday and Sunday. I looked out of place with no hair, but that didn't stop me. There were at least 200,000 people there Saturday. On Monday morning the park police and military came in, cracked a bunch of heads, and arrested a ton of people.

[tyedyeto]

17. I was never in DC at the time.....

but did spend non-school time in Berkeley (I was still in high school at the time) protesting.

Wish I could have been there tho...............

[FloridaPat]

19. I was there! I had gotten a job working for the government. I was

expecting to be late for work that day but we got there early. I had a friend that was a lawyer at the time. The arrest reports were in 4 groups. One was in a judges chamber. The next day 3 were gone. Ah, the good ol days.

[Elwood P Dowd]

23. I wish I could remember all the musical groups we heard

that weekend. Wish I had taken my camera, but I was afraid it wouldn't survive the weekend if you know what I mean.

[tyedyeto]

24. Music did have an impact...

on the anti-war movement of the late 60's.

Wish that was so today <sigh>

[Elwood P Dowd]

28. Those were THE DAYS when it came to music.

Being in the Army, I couldn't afford much entertainment. I listend to rock albums purchased in the PX (they cost about two bucks). So much good stuff came out in the late 1960s and early 1970s.

[bookman]

14. Oh, I remember it.

I was in the last two weeks of my active duty with the Army Reserve. I was serving with a group of guys in the National Guard from Kent, Ohio. A lot of shouting went down that night.

Several years later I visited the campus.

Sadly, I think the same can happen today. Although I'm not sure as many care anymore.

[Individualist]

15. Suggestion: See your ophthalmologist

There have been several threads tonight, in fact three of them besides yours on page 1 of GD now. Your implication that no one cares is insulting. I was 27 in May of '70 and will never forget the images from that day.

[tyedyeto]

20. When I origionally posted this, I didn't see any others...

I did see some this morning, went to work and when I got back online a while ago...nothing on page one.

If this got a couple of other threads back on the front page, it was worth it.

I didn't mean to insult anyone, sorry if I implied that.

Edit for spelling

[BlueIris]

25. Of course I do.

Terrible events, should never be forgotten.

[cry baby]

26. Yes, I've been picturing the photos of that day in my mind all day.

Kind of a quiet reflection of a sad, sad day.

[tyedyeto]

27. My feelings also.............n/t

[cry baby]

29. This thread really hit me hard today:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3596402

I hate it when people that should know their history, don't.

[tyedyeto]

32. Nice link...I had gone to work when that one began...thanks... n/t

[Shallah Kali]

30. I care. I wasn't born then but I care and fear it will happen again

only this time it will be done under a news blackout, just as they hide the war dead so people won't turn against the war. I saw a documenatary about this on the History Channel a few years ago and it scared the hell out of me. They showed footage of TV interviews at the time with prim housewives filled with bloodlust saying "they should have shot them all" for daring to oppose the government. This could so easily happen again with so many filled with rage that people dare question W.

[Joyce78]

31. Yes

Many of us remember, revere and cry with the families of the 4 who died ... what might they have achieved and become ... who will ever know?

[Joyce78]

33. 4 Dead in Ohio

Yes, many of us remember the day. We don't have to worry about this repeating itself. Today's college youth don't have the courage to finally demonstrate against this unjust war.

[tyedyeto]

34. It's sad to say but..........

it may take more than the almost 1600 American casualties to wake up the American public.

1600 - I grieve for them and their families.

but it's not enough for most of us to protest in the streets about how unjust this war is. I know that many here have done just that - protest that is - but to sway the general public? More will have to sacrafice life and limbs before 60's style protests will happen again. :grr:




Edit: typo

[DBoon]

35. I was 14 and I remember

still.

[kineneb]

36. I remember, and I was 11.

That famous photo, along with the little girl who was napalmed are forever stuck in my mind. And here we go again...wonder when the shootings begin, only the NatGuard are all in Iraq now.

"Where have all the flowers gone..."

[proud2BlibKansan]

37. I am pretty heartbroken

over comments made to me today by idiots (not here at DU).

Made me realize we have made zero progress in 35 years. The 'patriots' have brainwashed a new generation. What a horrid feeling.

[PlanetBev]

42. I was 19 years old and in college, same as the kids that died

Believe me, I care. Kent State is also a painful reminder that in 35 years, the American citizenry has gone from awake and engaged, to brain-dead and souless.

[proud2BlibKansan]

43. I was 16

I had just started my first job. I remember feeling so grown up now that I was employed. Then when I heard about the shootings in Ohio, I wasn't sure I really wanted to be grown up.

[demodonkey]

44. Here..... SEE THESE PICTURES (links in post)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=3598043&mesg_id=3598043