Hmmm...using COMMON SENSE re today's HUGE CAPTURE of al Qaeda's

[LynnTheDem]

"top officer", doesn't it prove how STUPID and USELESS bush's "preventive strike" doctrine actually is???!

THINK about it.

FOUR YEARS LATER.

Top al Qaeda member captured...

IN PAKISTAN.

BY PAKISTANIS.

With absolutely NO US TROOPS INVOLVED.

So...WHY are US troops dead & dying in Afghanistan & Iraq???

Just wondering, coz I have common sense.

[smiley]

1. Geopolitical control of natural resources.

... and money, and those are the only reaons. Don't believe it when they say it is for freedom.

[LynnTheDem]

2. Smiley, I don't believe it when they say the sky is blue.

;)

I believe you're 100% correct, this is a "resource war"; geopolitical and war profiteering of the pigs at the trough.

[Swamp Rat]

3. Shut the fuck up and go fetch my oil!

[LynnTheDem]

4. HEY!!! Who was your soldier LAST year???!!

:rofl:

[Nothing Without Hope]

5. I think they have a collection of these guys that they can retrieve,

maybe alive, maybe from a freezer, when the Administration is feeling the need to prove how much progress is being made against all those terra-ists.

[Hubert Flottz]

12. I think you may be right about them having a stash of "bad guys".

Whenever Shrub's approval numbers start to really take a tumble downward, like those approval numbers have, since he laid out his plan to rip off the old folks last week with his latest social security scam. The neocons either "catch one of "the "MAJOR" Evil Doers" or have another "Terra-Lert"! Funny how they usually catch the one who is about the "third terra-ist from the top".

"Look, We caught the bad guy, so now it will be okay for us to steal from the elderly, while nobody's looking!" So the sting is taken away from Bush's mugging of grandma and grandpa, as if by magic! The magic of television!

And the fools lap up the PR network's swill like good little morans! When something is dreadfully wrong in the US, the GOPers don't fix it, they simply turn on the magic propaganda machinery and flush the problem right under the rug. Reality hits the fools again when they pull into the pumps next time, but at least Prince Shrub caught the "Number Three" bad guy and saved the planet for another day! And the same dog and pony show is on every channel, "so it MUST BE TRUE!" Lying, it's the least Bush can do!

[mwb970]

14. This most recent guy looks like he just came out of that freezer...

Last night KO said that the talk around his studio was that the guy looked dead!

[chicagojoe]

6. How many "#3 in commands" have they captured so far? n/t

[LynnTheDem]

7. There's been a few. Saudis can't count, that's the problem.

OBL:

You're #1

You're #2

You're #3

You're #3

You're #3

#3: But you already did 3 of us as #3!

OBL: Damn, now I lost my place! Shut up or I behead you!

You're #2

You're #3

You're #3

You're #3...

[bling bling]

8. Right. Not to mention the billions and billions and billions

of American citizen's tax dollars squandered by the administration throughout our inefficient, fruitless, and deadly Iraq capers.

It's a good thing other countries have grown ups who are productively doing something about capturing the real terrorists who pose a real threat. Our jerks for leaders are too involved with playing their little kiddie games for that. The Republicans
and their dittoheads were more concerned and outraged with the French than with Al-qaeda over the past 3 years.

Did you hear the story in the news last week that Bush and Cheney were whisked away to their secret bunkers when a fast rolling cloud moved in overhead? They're agents mistook the cloud for a possible terror-threat. :patriot:

Common sense is something people develop as they grow up. That's why our leaders and their dittoheads don't have any. Their just a bunch of spoiled, bratty kids.

[oblivious]

9. OK, I've got another theory about these HUGE CAPTURES.

Theory
They have a jail full of petty thieves in Pakistan. Hell, they may even be ISI people, since we never hear much about their trials and punishment. Anyway, anytime the chimp's ratings are looking really bad or they need some good news on the terror front to take attention from really bad news, they can trot out one of these guys (this one's for Tony).

Reuters and AP put in their headlines all over the world, and they trot out company men on the talk shows to say how great this is. Trouble is, there's too many people involved and they keep getting the details confused. This should alert the press, but they just print whatever the DOD gives them.

Evidence

Inconsistencies making this seem phoney.

1. This guy is supposedly the #3 guy, right? Just read the headlines:

http://news.google.com/nwshp?hl=en&gl=us&ncl=http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/1115207441353_38/%3Fhub%3DCTVNewsAt11&sa=N&start=0

But it's the Americans saying this. Other intel agencies dispute this:

However, some European and Middle Eastern intelligence officials raised questions about Mr. Libbi's importance to the Qaeda organization.

Three officials said they were surprised to hear senior officials in the United States and Pakistan characterize Mr. Libbi as a highly ranked Qaeda commander. One Middle Eastern intelligence official said: "We don't have information that this man is or was the No. 3 man of Al Qaeda. This man was important for operations in Pakistan, but he is not the No. 3 man in the organization."

A senior German official suggested there may have been some confusion with Abu al-Liby, a Libyan-born senior Qaeda commander who was indicted for an "operational role" in the August 1998 bombings of two American embassies in east Africa.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/05/04/international/asia/04cnd-pakistan.html?hp&ex=1115265600&en=e190d5eb9d779215&ei=5094&partner=homepage

2. Next look at where he was caught. Pakistani intel officials can't agree. Some say South Waziristan; some say 350 miles away. That's a big enough difference for this to be a farce.

Intelligence officials said Liby was caught in the tribal region of South Waziristan, where hundreds of al Qaeda militants and their local supporters have been fighting Pakistani security forces since early 2004.

But another intelligence official said the terror mastermind was arrested on the outskirts of Mardan — a town in North West Frontier province — around 350 km north of South Waziristan.

Nightline had former CIA operative Gary Schroen (who led the hunt for Osama bin Laden in Afghanistan in the wake of the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks) on plugging the official story, but he too contradicted Pakistani officials on where the guy was caught:

KOPPEL: It's right along the border with Afghanistan?

SCHROEN: It's along the border of Afghanistan, but north of Peshawar, far north of Waziristan, where we have been looking for bin Laden.

And I have for years thought that, that was the area that bin Laden would have chosen to hide, and I think because it is a rugged, really rough area where the tribals hate any form of government, Pakistani or U.S. or Afghan, and would be perfectly willing to support someone of bin Laden's caliber and with a checkbook of his size, and I believed he's been up there.

So the capture in Bashour (ph) I think is significant.

http://abcnews.go.com/Nightline/story?id=728820&page=1

But of course, this conflicts with whatPakistan's information minister and interior minister have said:

Officials gave conflicting accounts of where Farj, the country's most wanted fugitive, was arrested. Ahmed and Interior Minister Aftab Sherpao said he was picked up in South Waziristan, an unruly tribal region on the Afghan border. It is thought to be a possible hiding place for Bin Laden.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-050405qaeda_lat,0,3429999.story?coll=la-home-headlines

3. Next, for a guy so important, you'd think he might be on the US most wanted list, right. Nope. He wasn't. Curious, that.

Reuters: http://www.deccanherald.com/deccanherald/may52005/foreign173218200554.asp

Conclusion
It's fake. But they don't care. They can contradict each other in the same article about something as basic as where he was caught. The bullshit meter is off the scale and the press dutifully print what ever the DOD submits.

Fake Fake Fake Fake

[Disturbed]

10. An Amerikan Free Press.

Yeah, right. Putin must have tried real hard not to laugh when W brought this up to him.

[LynnTheDem]

11. EXCELLENT work; IMPECCABLE links...could you post a new thread of this?

So it can be nominated and demopedia'ed?

[oblivious]

13. Would you mind doing that Lynn?

I only have time for a couple of posts a day and you're really good at following up. You could probably present it more clearly too. No need to mention me. Just point this crap out. God, it's sickening.

[LynnTheDem]

15. I can do that, yeppers

But all credit to you, that's an excellent gathering of facts you did! :)

[Horse with no Name]

16. I have to laugh

Had a conversation with my ex.
Discussed all of these issues that every time * polls take a dive, they find a boogeyman.
He stopped by yesterday laughing and now he believes it.