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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-05 04:45 PM
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HEADS UP: Press release on Blair/Bush secret memo
Blast this far and wide and far again. Thanks. Link:

http://www.pdamerica.org/field/Press-Release-Bush-Blair.php

Text:

Progressive Democrats of America Make National Call of Support for Congressional Letter Demanding Investigation of British Intelligence Leak on Iraq Invasion Strategy

(WASHINGTON, DC) — Rep. John Conyers, Jr. (D-MI), ranking minority member of the House Judiciary Committee, has released a letter signed by 88 fellow Representatives. The letter demands an investigation into the revelation that the American and British governments colluded secretly to manipulate intelligence as a means of justifying a decision to invade Iraq that had already been made. The Conyers letter and names of the House signatories can be read here:

http://www.house.gov/judiciary_democrats/letters/bushsecretmemoltr5505.pdf

The revelations came on Monday, May 2nd by way of a report published in the London Telegraph, which described a leaked British intelligence memo from July of 2002. The memo, stamped “Secret,” described concerted efforts by both British and American officials to “fix intelligence and facts around the policy.” The policy in question was the invasion of Iraq. The memo noted specifically that the invasion would be illegal if a justification were not found or created.

The London Telegraph report can be read here:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-1592724,00.html

The British memo in question can be read here:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-1593607,00.html

Rep. Conyers’ letter specifically notes that the secret British memo includes revelations that:

· Prime Minister Tony Blair chaired a meeting at which he discussed military options, having already committed himself to supporting President Bush’s plans for invading Iraq.

· British Foreign Secretary Jack Straw acknowledged that the case for war was “thin” as “Saddam was not threatening his neighbours and his WMD capability was less than that of Libya, North Korea, or Iran.”

· A separate secret briefing for the meeting said that Britain and America had to “create” conditions to justify a war.

· A British official “reported on his recent talks in Washington. There was a perceptible shift in attitude. Military action was now seen as inevitable. Bush wanted to remove Saddam, through military action, justified by the conjunction of terrorism and WMD. But the intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy.”

The information revealed by this memo, which has not been denied by either the American or British governments, confirms accusations by a wide variety of ‘whistleblowers’ who have accused the Bush administration of manufacturing evidence for war against Iraq. Among these are:

· Richard Clarke, former White House Counter-Terrorism Czar, who accused the administration of using the September 11 attacks to justify an Iraq invasion, thus creating the political cover described in the British memo.

· Tom Maertens, National Security Council director for nuclear
non-proliferation for both the Clinton and Bush White House, backed up Clarke's story with his own eyewitness testimony.

· Roger Cressey, Clarke's former deputy, who witnessed one of the most
damning charges that has been leveled against the administration by Clarke: They blew past al Qaeda after the 9/11 attacks, focusing instead on Iraq.

· Donald Kerrick, a three-star General who served as deputy National
Security Advisor under Clinton and stayed for several months in the Bush White House, likewise saw this happening.

· Paul O'Neill, former Treasury Secretary for George W. Bush, was afforded a position on the National Security Council because of his job as Treasury Secretary, and sat in on the Iraq invasion planning sessions which were taking place months before the attacks of September 11. Those planning sessions kicked into high gear when the Towers came down.

· Greg Thielmann, former Director of the Office of Strategic, Proliferation, and Military Issues in the State Department, who was stunned to see the White House use the 'uranium from Niger' war justifications that had been so thoroughly debunked.

· Joseph Wilson, former ambassador and career diplomat, who personally
debunked the uranium story after traveling to Niger to investigate the claims.

The most damning testimony regarding "fixing intelligence and facts around the policy" came from Air Force Lt. Colonel Karen Kwiatkowski in a 2004 interview with Salon magazine.

The Kwiakatowski interview with Salon can be read here:
http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2004/03/10/osp_moveon/

Kwiatkowski worked in the office of Undersecretary for Policy Douglas Feith, and worked specifically with a secretive Pentagon organization run by Feith called the Office of Special Plans. Kwiatkowski reported: "From May 2002 until February 2003, I observed firsthand the formation of the Pentagon's Office of Special Plans and watched the latter stages of the neoconservative capture of the policy-intelligence nexus in the run-up to the invasion of Iraq."

"I saw a narrow and deeply flawed policy," continued Kwiatkowski, "favored by some executive appointees in the Pentagon used to manipulate and pressurize the traditional relationship between policymakers in the Pentagon and U.S. intelligence agencies. I witnessed neoconservative agenda bearers within OSP usurp measured and carefully considered assessments, and through suppression and distortion of intelligence analysis promulgate what were in fact falsehoods to both Congress and the executive office of the president."

Progressive Democrats of America stands with Rep. Conyers and the 88 House members who are signatories to his letter and demands that a full and complete investigation be immediately undertaken into this matter.

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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-05 04:50 PM
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1. .
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radfringe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 06:08 AM
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80. has legs and spin too
did a quick "google" on "BLAIR MEMO"

a sampling of the headlines:

Guerrilla News Network British memo: US data manipulated for Iraq war
Chicago Tribune (subscription), IL - 25 minutes ago
... The memo, in which British foreign policy aide Matthew Rycroft summarized a July 23, 2002, meeting of Prime Minister Tony Blair with top security advisers ...

Looking For Some Help
TIME - 33 minutes ago
... timed leak of the Attorney General's March 2003 legal advice to Tony Blair about the Iraq war was starting to hurt Blair in the polls. The memo proved he had ...

Proof Bush Fixed The Facts
ZNet, MA - 22 hours ago
... Goss, took over as director late last year, he immediately wrote a memo to all ... a radically new ethos - one much more akin to that of Blair's courtiers than to ...

A New Memo-gate? Knight Ridder Covers Leaked British Document That ...
Editor & Publisher - May 6, 2005

NEW YORK For much of the week, much of the US press paid little attention to the highly classified British memo, leaked to a British newspaper, which seems to ...

Leading Question
New Republic - May 6, 2005
... the final weekend of the campaign the Sunday Times published another leaked memo. ... attention did not focus on the substantive question of whether Blair made the ...

===========

meanwhile --- here comes the spin....

A Gun that Doesn't Smoke
http://powerlineblog.com/archives/010382.php


---last paragraph---

In short, this British memo, while it does provide a fascinating glimpse into high-level decision making in Blair's government, is far from being a "smoking gun," as Cole calls it. It adds nothing to our knowledge of the important issues surrounding the Iraq war.


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MARALE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-05 04:52 PM
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2. kick!
:kick:
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-05 04:52 PM
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3. From PDA's Mouth to CNN's Ears...Breaking....
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montanacowboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-05 04:54 PM
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4. THANK YOU WILL
This must get picked up - this IS the smoking gun
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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-05 04:56 PM
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5. Isn't it a shame that so much effort has to be put into
providing the American People this information, and yet the lemmings will turn a blind eye and ear.

Thanks for your efforts WillPitt. Keeping people informed and trying to stay informed about the wrongdoings of this administration are growth industries.

AGAINST ALL ENEMIES FOREIGN AND DOMESTIC

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pie Donating Member (782 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-05 04:58 PM
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6. WOW!
That blows me away.
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DearAbby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-05 05:00 PM
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7. Blasted and Kick!
DU this! :kick:
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MazeRat7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-05 05:01 PM
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8. I ask again, which MSM whore will be first to call the memo a fake ?
Edited on Fri May-06-05 05:08 PM by MazeRat7
on edit: As a sidebar I am also interested to see the "skepticism" about this document when they (Admin/MSM) was so accepting of past British documents that were "in their best interest".

Kudos to our friends across the pond... you guys rock keep up the fight!!!!

MZr7
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pie Donating Member (782 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-05 05:21 PM
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12. I suspect this will go nowhere but it still blows my mind
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-05 05:36 PM
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16. Please read Sun Tsu.
Winners do not assume defeat. They visualize victory.

NGU.


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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-05 05:03 PM
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9. Not 'The London Telegraph' on May 2nd; The Sunday Times on May 1st
as is clear from where the hyperlinks got to. Can this be corrected before too many people get confused?
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-05 05:11 PM
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10. .
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-05 05:17 PM
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11. Emails sent
to KGO Newstalk Radio
and the Contra Costa Times

Am going to contact T.V. Now
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FinallyStartingToWin Donating Member (158 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-05 05:23 PM
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13. Hi Will, I've always admired your work. Question for ya
I trust highly in your opinion. It seems to me that this story had today begun to grow legs. What is your intuitive assessment that it will make it to growing knees too in the coming days?
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-05 11:22 PM
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41. The Sunday papers
will be the canary in the coal mine on this.
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-05 05:32 PM
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14. Okay I covered KRON KPIX KGO and KTVU
when, I'll be sure to send them out again on Monday
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Kevin Spidel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-05 05:35 PM
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15. Updated PERM LINK....
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-05 06:18 PM
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22. very helpful. thanks! n/t
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-05 06:49 PM
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23. Thank you
:hi:
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-05 05:48 PM
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17. Deleted message
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-05 05:49 PM
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18. Nominated. Here's one crime that's no longer hidden.
And it's a doozie.


Illegal war.

Lying to the American people.

Lying to the world.

One hundred thousand innocent victims of these lies.


The wheels of the gods continue to grind....


NGU.


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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-05 06:16 PM
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21. So they really WERE hiding something??
Hey!! They betrayed my trust and the trust of MILLIONS of other good Americans!!

NGU.


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babsbunny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-05 07:06 PM
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24. Not to mention
all of our dead brave soldiers! The 100,000 Iraqi people!
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-05 07:40 PM
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25. I'm SHOCKED! Shocked, I tell you!

Who knew??

I'm sure Ken Blackwell is sorely disappointed in * too, as the upstanding Christian supporter of democracy that he's training all those pastors to believe he is.

Just don't tell Cheney; it might be too much for his heart.


NGU.


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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-05 09:25 PM
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34. "I'm agog and flabbergasted, Keef..."
Long time, Lil Bro! :hi: Did you hear about the soiree on Saturday?

NGU.


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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-05 12:57 PM
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58. "I was sure it was the Best. Election. Ever. Keef."
Looked like you guys had a great time. Wish I'd been there. Looked like everyone was getting fitted for Lakoff goggles. :)


NGU!

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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-05 05:49 PM
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19. If these ghouls can create this evidence out of thin air to justify an
all out shooting and killing war with another country, then what if they decide to create enough bogus evidence, about you or me and come round to blow Our families away, the same way that they blew away the old men, women and children in Iraq? Just pray REAL hard that the neocons don't ever discover an oil deposit, or decide to build a pipeline under your house, Bubba! Did the same rabid pack of goons CREATE all the "evidence" about Afghanistan too? Are they now busy CREATING evidence about Iran or some other nation? That bunch in the WH, have lied so much and so often, about so many things, that nobody in their right mind can trust them anymore.

The Key element that's missing in Bush's so called "Faith Based Government" is FAITH! Over half the people in the US and the people of the rest of the world, except for maybe Tony Blair's toadies, DO NOT have any more FAITH in this gang of self-serving liars, who are now trashing America and the rest of the world! How much "Political Capital" do you think Bush has to spend in the rest of the world today? As much "political capital" as Bill Clinton had before Bush stole the keys to the White House from Al Gore in 2000?

Bush's "POLITICAL CAPITAL" is starting to :bounce: like a rubber check, all the way around the globe. The down side of all this, is that Bush is dragging the image of every soul in America down the tubes with him. The pResident reminds me of another guy, who figured the rest of his people should suffer as he had to suffer, when his little world finally came caving in upon him, along about 1945.

If God is on the side of people who lie to start bloody wars, then God must be damned confused!
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Zomby Woof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-05 07:58 PM
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30. Hubert
I have been wondering about you, and am goddamned glad to see you again! I like DU a whole lot more with you around, brother. :toast:
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-05 09:58 PM
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37. I've been fishin' man!(just mostly for the halibut)
Good to see you too Zomby. Had to take a little break from politics and stalk the good life for a spell. Still got the old coffee pot going dude?

:beer: :smoke: :party:

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Zomby Woof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-05 02:54 PM
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63. Always got a hot pot handy!
:hangover: I ditched the politics too. Life is too short to let those thievin' bastards take EVERYTHING.

Fishing sounds great. I'll bring some cold ones.
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-05 06:09 PM
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20. Thanks, Will
:bounce:
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DearAbby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-05 07:45 PM
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27. Never give up People....The price of freedom demands it
DU This! :kick:
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-05 07:45 PM
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26. Bush stood up in our capitol building and lied to the world!
President Delivers "State of the Union"
The U.S. Capitol

January 2003

snip>

The International Atomic Energy Agency confirmed in the 1990s that Saddam Hussein had an advanced nuclear weapons development program, had a design for a nuclear weapon and was working on five different methods of enriching uranium for a bomb. The British government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa. Our intelligence sources tell us that he has attempted to purchase high-strength aluminum tubes suitable for nuclear weapons production. Saddam Hussein has not credibly explained these activities. He clearly has much to hide.

The dictator of Iraq is not disarming. To the contrary; he is deceiving. From intelligence sources we know, for instance, that thousands of Iraqi security personnel are at work hiding documents and materials from the U.N. inspectors, sanitizing inspection sites and monitoring the inspectors themselves. Iraqi officials accompany the inspectors in order to intimidate witnesses.

Iraq is blocking U-2 surveillance flights requested by the United Nations. Iraqi intelligence officers are posing as the scientists inspectors are supposed to interview. Real scientists have been coached by Iraqi officials on what to say. Intelligence sources indicate that Saddam Hussein has ordered that scientists who cooperate with U.N. inspectors in disarming Iraq will be killed, along with their families.

Year after year, Saddam Hussein has gone to elaborate lengths, spent enormous sums, taken great risks to build and keep weapons of mass destruction. But why? The only possible explanation, the only possible use he could have for those weapons, is to dominate, intimidate, or attack.

(The entire of the State of the 2003 Union Speech at the link below...)

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/01/20030128-19.html


Mr. Bush said that, "Saddam Hussein has not credibly explained these activities. He clearly has much to hide."

If Mr. Bush and Mr. Cheney have nothing to hide, why then do they too, go to such "elaborate lengths" to hide almost every thing they do?(Shadow Government?)(Shadowy Accountability to congress, to the taxpaying people of the US and to the people of the entire world)

Bush said that, "Year after year, Saddam Hussein has gone to elaborate lengths, spent enormous sums, taken great risks to build and keep weapons of mass destruction. But why? The only possible explanation, the only possible use he could have for those weapons, is to dominate, intimidate, or attack."

Did Bush want to "spend enormous sums" to restart "Star Wars" and to resume the building and the testing of new nuclear weapons, possibly even tactical nuclear weapons, so that he too could use those weapons of mass destruction, to "dominate, intimidate, or attack."(to use in his preemptive war on terror perhaps?)(Bush wanted Star Wars and the new nuke programs before 9/11 and the "War on Terra")

Mr. Bush said it himself in his SOTU speech to the nation and to the world that, "The only possible explanation, the only possible use he (Saddam)could have for those weapons, is to dominate, intimidate, or attack."

Then we all know that Bush did in fact go on to, "attack and dominate"! We know also that the US probably used Napalm, which was banned by the UN and congress years ago, in at least one case in Iraq. We know now, that torture and cruel and unusual "intimidation" methods were used on unarmed POWs in Iraq, Afghanistan and probably at "Gitmo" too.

Go and read the entire speech for yourself. It has a whole new look and feel to me, since I've witnessed the events that have transpired since January 2003...

Can You Say SCARY Sheiite, boys and girls? Sure, I knew ya could!








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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-05 07:53 PM
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28. Should we consider
targeting some individual people in the media also? I think it is important to e-mail the press release to every media source in North America. I also remember a small experiment we did a while back on GD. NY Rep. Maurice Hinchey had spoken out strongly against Karl Rove while giving a talk to people in Ithaca. The republicans attempted to discredit Hinchey. We had people contact an associate editor at one newspaper ( the Binghamton Press & Sun-Bulletin). That weekend, in the Sunday edition, there was a great editorial supporting Hinchey.

I would enjoy it if we coordinated efforts to lobby some specific targets. I'm all for the mass e-mailings of the release, but some "personal" contact may also be a good investment of our energies.
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Poiuyt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-05 08:46 PM
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33. Keith Olbermann?
He seems to be the only person with any balls in the MSM today. I personally don't think this will go anywhere. Everyone will just say, "Well, what's done is done, we have to stay there now," though I still don't understand why (besides oil, of course).
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-05 09:46 PM
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35. I think he's one ....
I also think that smaller newspapers and news stations should be targeted. If an editor in a small city in any of the 50 states gets a lot of messages from a group of people from all those states, she/he may take a closer notice of it. I think it is just as important to have people read it in a local paper, or see it on the local news, as having it in the impersonal national news. I believe that grass roots efforts at the grass roots level are needed to revive democracy from the heavy blow this administration has inflicted upon us.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-05 11:20 AM
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54. send to orgainizations such as AARP--all do it--they needs lots of people
telling them to be convinced.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-05 07:55 PM
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29. K I C K ! ! !
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livvy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-05 08:13 PM
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31. Done with pleasure! n/t
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brettdale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-05 08:25 PM
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32. kick
kick
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-05 09:50 PM
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36. Knight-Ridder on the memo time to start calling for impeachment
British memo indicates Bush made intelligence fit Iraq policy

By Warren P. Strobel and John Walcott

Knight Ridder Newspapers

WASHINGTON - A highly classified British memo, leaked in the midst of Britain's just-concluded election campaign, indicates that President Bush decided to overthrow Iraqi President Saddam Hussein by summer 2002 and was determined to ensure that U.S. intelligence data supported his policy.

The document, which summarizes a July 23, 2002, meeting of British Prime Minister Tony Blair with his top security advisers, reports on a visit to Washington by the head of Britain's MI-6 intelligence service.

The visit took place while the Bush administration was still declaring to the American public that no decision had been made to go to war.
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maxgremlin Donating Member (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-05 10:18 PM
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38. Shocked and appalled
I am still astounded by the fact that the mainstream media has not picked up on this. This is not about whether or not the media has a conservative or liberal bias. At this point I think that is merely a smokescreen. The truth of the matter is that the media has just stopped trying. They have failed in their jobs and in their duty to the American people as members of the Fourth Estate to inform the public of all relevant facts concerning our political leader's policies and conduct.

The mainstream networks are more preoccupied with selling dish washing detergent and male enhancement medication during the commercial breaks than letting us know what we need to know about how this country is being governed. I am just so sickened and frustrated by the slip-shot handling of this administration by the press that I have stopped watching broadcast news. I read papers, magazine and websites now because I simply cannot abide the utter shallowness of the mainstream press.


Sorry, just needed to vent a little here. Seems that its up to us, citizens at the grassroots level, to inform and protect the principles and values of this country. Our institutions I have lost a lot of faith in.
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Poiuyt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-05 11:01 PM
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40. MSM gives us what they think we want
Right now, they think we want entertainment and titilation, so we get sensational stories about runaway brides and Michael Jackson. If enough of us write to them asking for more stories about how we really got into Iraq, they just might comply.

I hope we don't have to wait for 50 years to hear more of this story when some historian digs it up.
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bobbieinok Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-05 08:49 PM
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75. not what they think we want....WHAT THEY TELL US WE WANT
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Ladyhawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-05 01:58 AM
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51. Well-said and welcome to DU!
:toast: :bounce: :toast:
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-05 10:49 PM
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39. Done. (nt)
www.missionnotaccomplished.us - STOP THE ATROCITIES; INDICT AND PROSECUTE BU$H AND ALL THE OTHER WAR CRIMINALS



This is what you get from an illegitimate president
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Ladyhawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-05 03:01 AM
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53. Question: where did you find that pic? Are there more like that? n/t
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-05 11:22 PM
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42. Posted to dKos:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/5/7/02117/59288

Peace.

www.missionnotaccomplished.us
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-05 11:28 PM
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43. Posted at VelvetRevolution:
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paparush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-05 11:31 PM
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44. I've been bombarding my Rep and Senators
with email calling for Bush's Impeachment ever since the memo broke. Several times a day I send them mail about the lying bastards who ginned up this illegal war.
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brettdale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-05 11:53 PM
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45. Kick
Kick, Ive done cnn reporters.
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brettdale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-05 12:15 AM
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46. MICHAEL MOORE HAS IT ON HIS WEB PAGE
Michael Moore now has it on his on webpage as the main story.

NOW IS THE TIME TO SEND THIS OUT, TO EVERYBODY AND EVERYONE, PRINT MEDIA, RADIO MEDIA, TELEVISION MEDIA, USENET GROUPS, MESSAGE BOARDS, POLITICANS, LOCAL POLITICANS, WE WILL NEVER GET A BETTER CHANGE TO GET RID OF BUSH THAN THIS, IF ONLY HALF A DOZEN PEOPLE DO THIS IT WONT BE ENOUGH, SCREAM IT OUT FROM THE ROOFTOPS RING UP TALK RADIO, BLAST THE WEB WITH IT, LIKE YOU NEVER HAD BEFORE.
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brettdale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-05 12:19 AM
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47. from Moores webpage
The secret Downing Street memo


Sunday Times

SECRET AND STRICTLY PERSONAL - UK EYES ONLY

DAVID MANNING
From: Matthew Rycroft
Date: 23 July 2002
S 195 /02

cc: Defence Secretary, Foreign Secretary, Attorney-General, Sir Richard Wilson, John Scarlett, Francis Richards, CDS, C, Jonathan Powell, Sally Morgan, Alastair Campbell

IRAQ: PRIME MINISTER'S MEETING, 23 JULY

Copy addressees and you met the Prime Minister on 23 July to discuss Iraq.

This record is extremely sensitive. No further copies should be made. It should be shown only to those with a genuine need to know its contents.

John Scarlett summarised the intelligence and latest JIC assessment. Saddam's regime was tough and based on extreme fear. The only way to overthrow it was likely to be by massive military action. Saddam was worried and expected an attack, probably by air and land, but he was not convinced that it would be immediate or overwhelming. His regime expected their neighbours to line up with the US. Saddam knew that regular army morale was poor. Real support for Saddam among the public was probably narrowly based.

C reported on his recent talks in Washington. There was a perceptible shift in attitude. Military action was now seen as inevitable. Bush wanted to remove Saddam, through military action, justified by the conjunction of terrorism and WMD. But the intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy. The NSC had no patience with the UN route, and no enthusiasm for publishing material on the Iraqi regime's record. There was little discussion in Washington of the aftermath after military action.

CDS said that military planners would brief CENTCOM on 1-2 August, Rumsfeld on 3 August and Bush on 4 August.

The two broad US options were:

(a) Generated Start. A slow build-up of 250,000 US troops, a short (72 hour) air campaign, then a move up to Baghdad from the south. Lead time of 90 days (30 days preparation plus 60 days deployment to Kuwait).

(b) Running Start. Use forces already in theatre (3 x 6,000), continuous air campaign, initiated by an Iraqi casus belli. Total lead time of 60 days with the air campaign beginning even earlier. A hazardous option.

The US saw the UK (and Kuwait) as essential, with basing in Diego Garcia and Cyprus critical for either option. Turkey and other Gulf states were also important, but less vital. The three main options for UK involvement were:

(i) Basing in Diego Garcia and Cyprus, plus three SF squadrons.

(ii) As above, with maritime and air assets in addition.

(iii) As above, plus a land contribution of up to 40,000, perhaps with a discrete role in Northern Iraq entering from Turkey, tying down two Iraqi divisions.

The Defence Secretary said that the US had already begun "spikes of activity" to put pressure on the regime. No decisions had been taken, but he thought the most likely timing in US minds for military action to begin was January, with the timeline beginning 30 days before the US Congressional elections.

The Foreign Secretary said he would discuss this with Colin Powell this week. It seemed clear that Bush had made up his mind to take military action, even if the timing was not yet decided. But the case was thin. Saddam was not threatening his neighbours, and his WMD capability was less than that of Libya, North Korea or Iran. We should work up a plan for an ultimatum to Saddam to allow back in the UN weapons inspectors. This would also help with the legal justification for the use of force.

The Attorney-General said that the desire for regime change was not a legal base for military action. There were three possible legal bases: self-defence, humanitarian intervention, or UNSC authorisation. The first and second could not be the base in this case. Relying on UNSCR 1205 of three years ago would be difficult. The situation might of course change.


The Prime Minister said that it would make a big difference politically and legally if Saddam refused to allow in the UN inspectors. Regime change and WMD were linked in the sense that it was the regime that was producing the WMD. There were different strategies for dealing with Libya and Iran. If the political context were right, people would support regime change. The two key issues were whether the military plan worked and whether we had the political strategy to give the military plan the space to work.

On the first, CDS said that we did not know yet if the US battleplan was workable. The military were continuing to ask lots of questions.

For instance, what were the consequences, if Saddam used WMD on day one, or if Baghdad did not collapse and urban warfighting began? You said that Saddam could also use his WMD on Kuwait. Or on Israel, added the Defence Secretary.

The Foreign Secretary thought the US would not go ahead with a military plan unless convinced that it was a winning strategy. On this, US and UK interests converged. But on the political strategy, there could be US/UK differences. Despite US resistance, we should explore discreetly the ultimatum. Saddam would continue to play hard-ball with the UN.

John Scarlett assessed that Saddam would allow the inspectors back in only when he thought the threat of military action was real.

The Defence Secretary said that if the Prime Minister wanted UK military involvement, he would need to decide this early. He cautioned that many in the US did not think it worth going down the ultimatum route. It would be important for the Prime Minister to set out the political context to Bush.

Conclusions:

(a) We should work on the assumption that the UK would take part in any military action. But we needed a fuller picture of US planning before we could take any firm decisions. CDS should tell the US military that we were considering a range of options.

(b) The Prime Minister would revert on the question of whether funds could be spent in preparation for this operation.

(c) CDS would send the Prime Minister full details of the proposed military campaign and possible UK contributions by the end of the week.


(d) The Foreign Secretary would send the Prime Minister the background on the UN inspectors, and discreetly work up the ultimatum to Saddam.

He would also send the Prime Minister advice on the positions of countries in the region especially Turkey, and of the key EU member states.

(e) John Scarlett would send the Prime Minister a full intelligence update.

(f) We must not ignore the legal issues: the Attorney-General would consider legal advice with FCO/MOD legal advisers.

(I have written separately to commission this follow-up work.)


MATTHEW RYCROFT

(Rycroft was a Downing Street foreign policy aide)

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brettdale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-05 01:13 AM
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48. kick
kick
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-05 01:44 AM
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49. Note that the memo reveals Brits honestly believed Iraq had WMD...
... however, they clearly didn't believe Hussein was a threat.

The memo says that the British didn't believe the US plan would succeed and they had a lot of questions. "For instance, what were the consequences, if Saddam used WMD on day one." The memo says "You {Blair?} said that Saddam could also use his WMD on Kuwait. Or on Israel, added the Defence Secretary."

So, if the British legitimately believed Sadaam had weapons, what happened to them?

I've always wondered if Bush didn't find WMD intentionally to bury the chances of the Demcorats winning the presidency with a Yes-IWR voter. By the same token, I suspect that if the Democrats nominated a no-IWR voters, they would have found the WMD.
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many a good man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-05 02:47 PM
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62. They commited the gravest mistake of all...
...believing their own propaganda.
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-05 03:49 PM
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66. I don't think that makes sense. I think there were WMD...not as much as
Libya, NK or Iran, and there was probably no threat that Iraq would use it, but almost definitely WMD. Greg Pallast wrote once that Iraq definitely had WMD -- Saudi Arabia gave them millions of dollars to develop WMD.

I think the truth is the US either gave Iraq a chance to move it or the US knows where it is and stopped looking for it and has used WMD as a way for the left to criticize Dems who voted for the IWR and to criticize Tony Blair knowing that not finding WMD would never stick to Bush.

I think the left needs to rethink exactly what the frame is for criticizing RW'ers regarding Iraq, and it's almost definitely not that Blair and Yes-IWR voters didn't believe based on reasonable intelligence that Hussein had WMD.
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-05 04:12 PM
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67. You're incredible, AP
Even when the evidence that Saddam had no WMD steps up to you, and slaps you round the face, you still cling to your delusion that Blair just had to be right, and had to be acting honestly. You regard the Iraqi invasion as a fiendish plot by Bush to discredit Blair.

Step back. If anyone other than Blair had acted as he did, would you really take their side so blindly? Face the facts - whatever Blair's domestic economic policy is like, he enthusiastically embraced Bush's plans for regime change. That's what this memo says. The evidence for WMD was "fixed" - that what it says. Blair wanted Saddam gone - that's what he says.
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-05 04:25 PM
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68. Thank you.
If you don't think a big part of Iraq was to help RW'ers win elections, then you weren't paying attention to the 2004 elections and to the history of the second half of the 20th century.

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many a good man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-05 07:29 PM
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69. The left doesn't need to rethink its frame.
They told us in great detail that WMD was a certainty when they knew there were doubts. That's deception. They lied again when they said war would be the last resort. They started an unjustified war of aggression. That's called a crime against humanity.


Sure everyone knows they once HAD WMDs AND there was no proof they ever destroyed all their stockpiles. There's also ZERO intelligence that they were producing more. But it was the only charge they could come up with that could justify an invasion.

The NeoCons flinched, and let Tony and Colin drag them the "legitimate" route through the UN. To do this they had to fool themselves into thinking WMD was a sure bet. They bet it all. They got their war but lost the bet.


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brettdale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-05 01:55 AM
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50. Great page of people to send it to
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-05 11:45 AM
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55. hey thanks for the website--great place to media blast quickly. I sent a
thanks you to my Rep. who has signed the letter and then Bcc many many media outlets (and PS said I would do this).
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chalky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-05 02:20 AM
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52. Just for grins, y'all: Sent to The Lone Star Iconoclast
The best little newspaper in Crawford, Texas.

:evilgrin:
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-05 11:50 AM
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56. you betcha
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RBHam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-05 12:27 PM
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57. must keep kicked
till it sinks in...
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yorkiemommie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-05 01:18 PM
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59. kick
nt
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-05 01:47 PM
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60. .
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AngryWhiteLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-05 01:57 PM
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61. Letter mentioned briefly on Ron Reagan & Conservative Babe MSGOP show
The show broke to "blog watchers," one of whom indicated that the memo was making the rounds in cyberspace. Unfortunately, the extent of the memo or it's implications were not discussed by the hosts.

JB
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kimpossible Donating Member (785 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-05 03:19 PM
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64. Printer-friendly version?
It would be great to have printer-friendly versions of this and other PDA press releases. Would make it much easier to print them out to distribute.
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gulfcoastliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-05 03:45 PM
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65. Where is JK, Reid, Pelosi?
Guess they have more important things to do...
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-05 07:45 PM
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70. Don't forget popular "local" radio stations,...let's branch out!!!
It only takes two or more in each state to disseminate.

It's our turn,...to spread our roots!!! :bounce:
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lala_rawraw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-05 07:48 PM
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71. Ted Kalo from Conyers office...
is on Brad show right now discussing this right now... amazing convo, brad show on Raw Radio. you might catch the end of that segment or you can download it from Raw or Brad blog.
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-05 08:02 PM
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72. January 26, 1998
The Honorable William J. Clinton
President of the United States
Washington, DC


Dear Mr. President:

We are writing you because we are convinced that current American policy toward Iraq is not succeeding, and that we may soon face a threat in the Middle East more serious than any we have known since the end of the Cold War. In your upcoming State of the Union Address, you have an opportunity to chart a clear and determined course for meeting this threat. We urge you to seize that opportunity, and to enunciate a new strategy that would secure the interests of the U.S. and our friends and allies around the world. That strategy should aim, above all, at the removal of Saddam Hussein’s regime from power. We stand ready to offer our full support in this difficult but necessary endeavor.

The policy of “containment” of Saddam Hussein has been steadily eroding over the past several months. As recent events have demonstrated, we can no longer depend on our partners in the Gulf War coalition to continue to uphold the sanctions or to punish Saddam when he blocks or evades UN inspections. Our ability to ensure that Saddam Hussein is not producing weapons of mass destruction, therefore, has substantially diminished. Even if full inspections were eventually to resume, which now seems highly unlikely, experience has shown that it is difficult if not impossible to monitor Iraq’s chemical and biological weapons production. The lengthy period during which the inspectors will have been unable to enter many Iraqi facilities has made it even less likely that they will be able to uncover all of Saddam’s secrets. As a result, in the not-too-distant future we will be unable to determine with any reasonable level of confidence whether Iraq does or does not possess such weapons.


Such uncertainty will, by itself, have a seriously destabilizing effect on the entire Middle East. It hardly needs to be added that if Saddam does acquire the capability to deliver weapons of mass destruction, as he is almost certain to do if we continue along the present course, the safety of American troops in the region, of our friends and allies like Israel and the moderate Arab states, and a significant portion of the world’s supply of oil will all be put at hazard. As you have rightly declared, Mr. President, the security of the world in the first part of the 21st century will be determined largely by how we handle this threat.


Given the magnitude of the threat, the current policy, which depends for its success upon the steadfastness of our coalition partners and upon the cooperation of Saddam Hussein, is dangerously inadequate. The only acceptable strategy is one that eliminates the possibility that Iraq will be able to use or threaten to use weapons of mass destruction. In the near term, this means a willingness to undertake military action as diplomacy is clearly failing. In the long term, it means removing Saddam Hussein and his regime from power. That now needs to become the aim of American foreign policy. More...

http://www.newamericancentury.org/iraqclintonletter.htm



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AuntPatsy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-05 08:05 PM
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73. When all else fails. Blame Clinton?
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-05 08:10 PM
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74. I'm not blaming Clinton, I'm pointing out that...
Edited on Sat May-07-05 08:17 PM by Hubert Flottz
The secret advisors at the DoD who were cooking up the invasion of Iraq along with Bush and Rumbo, were at it as far back as when Mr. Clinton was president.

EDIT} Did you click on the link that I posted above and look who signed that letter? Do you know who any of those people who signed that letter are, or what role they have played in the build ups to and the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq after that letter was sent to president Clinton?
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 02:03 AM
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76. No, no no. That letter was written by PNAC.
This was their public introduction.
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 02:41 AM
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77. .
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 02:45 AM
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78. Call your Reps & demand they speak up publicaly, go on air, etc.
Edited on Sun May-08-05 02:47 AM by Dr Fate
the media will ignore this unless plenty of big-name DEMs speak up- demand they speak out and get our backs on this one!
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deacon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 05:46 AM
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79. kick
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 02:13 PM
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81. .
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