Does anyone else see what is happening ?

[DemGirl7]

I have to complain, that for awhile now there seems to be alot intolence towards certain people on here. It has mostly been towards those Democrats who have faith, and those who have different opinions on wedge issues like abortion. And it disturbs me, because I see the same hate but in a different form, that comes out of the fundies' mouths. I thought we were all supposed to be better people than the fundies, more respectful of those with slighty different opinions...than why do I see nasty hateful things said about others who are trying to be included in the Democratic Party, by Dr. Dean? I'm not saying you can't give your opinion, but I think we try to be a little more understanding of people who have slightly different views from our own. Does anyone else see this happening?

[Sparkle]

1. No, I don't see it.

[SheepyMcSheepster]

2. do you have an example of said behavior?

it would help to further this discussion.
i don't know that i have seen "hate" towards people with positions that you reference.
thanks.

[ihaveaquestion]

17. No examples seem to be forthcoming.

Is this just another post that attempts to sow dissention and doubt in our DU ranks? I wonder.

[SheepyMcSheepster]

19. I wonder as well

hopefully we will see the op come back and defend his/her position.
why would anyone want to sow doubts among DU? :shrug:
:sarcasm:

[understandinglife]

21. Am awaiting the OP to provide examples of ".... I see the same hate..."

...tick....tick.....tick......tick.......tick..........tick...........?

Peace.


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[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

3. There are zealots for all sides of every issue.

If you think DU, or anywhere else, is exempt from that, you are very sadly mistaken.

But truly, the "poor persecuted Christians" line has no home here at all. You're never going to get me to feel bad for a group encompasses the vast majority of this nation.

[Avalux]

4. faith and abortion do not belong in politics

and that's my position. As a progressive, I believe anyone has the right to believe as they choose and abortion rights are law. Period. I do not bash anyone for a personal pro-life stance due to religious beliefs, but keep it out of politics.

It's very simple really - separation of Church and State.

I have no tolerance for those on this board who intentionally use wedge issues to start flame threads.

[libertypirate]

5. It's not hate...

It's misunderstanding and when people correct misunderstanding they do it passionately.

Stop trying to protect your perspectives then try to see if others have a different set of facts...

[mike_c]

6. it's important that we discuss those issues...

...if for no other reason than attempting to achieve some consensus, even if only a grudging one. Unfortunately, they're emotional issues, and ones that people often do not take criticism about gracefully. Nonetheless, I think the discussion is still necessary-- those too thin-skinned to take part in that discussion should probably sit back and listen for a while, IMO, rather than having their feelingd hurt. The debate can become pretty passionate at times, but that's a good thing, I think.

[bryant69]

7. It's a discussion board

Could some peopel do better? Probably.

Is there any way to really avoid stepping on each others toes from time to time? Probably not.

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com

[BillZBubb]

8. Nope, I don't see it.

This is a forum that allows expression of progressive ideas. Sometimes those ideas clash. You need to try to look at this from a different angle. Everyone here needs a bit of a thick skin if you want to tangle on philosophy. What you perceive as intolerance is really critical argument. Stand your ground on your beliefs.

[lenidog]

11. But also remember much intolerance has posed as a critical argument

[napi21]

9. Sure, I've seen the posts that say I will vote for an Independant if

the Dem candidate veeres even a little from absolute support on abortion and gay marriage. I just let those posts pass because there are extremists in both parties that will NEVER budge on some specific issues.

The fundies are very vocal, and it makes it seem like all Pubs are speaking in unison, but they're not. There really are quite a few, what I call real Pubs, who vote all the time but are simply not vocal finatics.

As far as I can tell, you don't see or hear any of the radical left on TV. They do sometimes speak out here on DU, and they should feel comfortable doing that. This is their PArty Home too.

[Finder]

10. Not hate--We just don't let others frame the debate.

Wedge issues are just that--wedge issues. Occasionally a well-reasoned argument appears but for the most part, topics that divide are presented in a baiting way. Sometimes it is a good way to expose the hotheads. Falling for the bait is just as bad as baiting in some cases. I am sure the other side watches to see what causes splits here in order to divide progressives.

I am sure you know what I mean.

[annabanana]

15. DING ding DING... and we have a Winner!

yup

[MuseRider]

12. Knee jerk nastiness.

Most of it doesn't even have a reason to be said other than to insult someone or to look funny/cute. It has been really apparent lately. It is really a sad thing when we start to sound like the people we are fighting against.

[radwriter0555]

13. Silence equals CONSENT. I don't consent and therefore approve of CULTS.

Christianity is by definition a CULT.

I cannot remain silent about it.

[txaslftist]

18. Cult: def.

1. worship; reverential honor; religious devotion (obs).
2. the system of outward forms and ceremonies used in worship; religious rites and formalities.
3. devoted attachment to, or extravagant admiration for, a person, principle, etc., especially when regarded as a fad; as the cult of nudism.
4. a group of followers, a sect.

Christianity would meet the obsolete definition in item 1.

Only in the specific sense applicable to a particular denomination would it meet definition 2; not as a belief system.

Definition 3 could apply to any strongly held system of beliefs, and is certainly not limited to religious sects.

Definition 4 also could apply to any strongly held system of beliefs.

OTOH, a strong attachment to the beliefs of athiesm, socialism, liberalism, and/or democracy would also meet definitions 3 & 4.

Since you cannot remain silent and accordingly consent, you must have strong feelings. Ergo, I'd say you belong to the cult of athiesm.

By definition.

[AtTheEndOfTheDay]

23. Give me a break.

[radwriter0555]

33. But I'm not an atheist. I have no title.. But ALL of the definitions,

regardless of whether or not they're applicable to other GROUPS, still stand as valid and definitive.

Therefore, christianity remains by definition, a cult.

I don't see socialists PRAYING en masse, with specific books and swearings by and adherence to, nor do I see that behavior in liberalism or democracy.

I see people acting all freaky for their bizarre gods.

The defintion is applicable to all organized religions and sects thereof and is based on religion, not politics.

I'm always baffled at the lack of scrutiny towards the extremist sects of the cults, such as the amish and the hassidic.

Fascinating.

[Individualist]

14. We're Democrats

Most of us don't believe in lockstep mentality.

[sweetheart]

16. The patriarchy's last gasp

An angry bull charging to gore the matador
before falling, at last, dead buried in to lore
The patriarchy thrives on brutality to the last
Malefic, spiteful, distrusting, but fast

They are but dead by the spear of justice
And yet division is their final solace
sewn in to the fabric of their hateful fear
of corporate rulership over you my dear.

[Toby109]

20. So forgive us.

[SheepyMcSheepster]

22. reminds of a bill hicks bit......

them: hey buddy!

him: hey what?

them: we're christians and we didn't like some of the things you were saying....

him: so forgive me........

[Toby109]

24. You caught me.

I stole that from Hicks but the point is valid. If today's Christians were even trying to truly emulate the life and teachings of Jesus Christ, I think a lot more people would respect them. Sadly, they don't.

[SheepyMcSheepster]

25. ahh, wasn't trying to catch you

just trying to mention bill hicks whenever i can!
and yes i agree if these fristians were more christian things would work out alot better.

[Toby109]

26. No harm, no foul.

And Bill Hicks still rocks.

:-)

[Modem Butterfly]

27. I think you're seeing what you want to see

If you start out with a certain perspective, it's really easy to see everything through that lens. I think that's what you're doing here.

[Jesus Saves]

28. Welcome to human nature, my dear....

Liberals have no special claim to human decency or tolerance, no more than anyone else.

[Bouncy Ball]

29. Nope.

I'm a Christian Democrat. I don't see it.

[greenbriar]

30. hummmm

mighty suspect post

[Bouncy Ball]

31. So, was this a hit and run posting?

29 responses and nothing?

[morgan2]

32. Im sorry but thats a bunch of bs

The only reason people think that people are disrespectful towards "people of faith," is because the very idea of atheism is offensive to some people. One can not express his views without offending some people. Yes I think religion is a silly joke, but go ahead and believe in it. Get offended by my belief if you want, but thats what it is. I don't get offended when I'm constantly inundadted with people telling me that Jesus is my savior. Yes I get annoyed at times, but I accept that people believe that and don't think less of them unless they attempt to force their views on others. Explaining and discussing views is perfectly fine, don't get so offended.

[FlemingsGhost]

34. Persecution ... everywhere!

You poor babies.

[Bluebear]

35. No, I don't see it happening. nt

[DearAbby]

36. So you are all forgiven....It appears to have been a drive by...no?

:popcorn:

[Bluebear]

38. Indeedy

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

37. I have intolerance for people who try to take away my rights

They should go fuck themselves. I understand some people have a slightly different view of abortion and gay marriage than I...they should not abort nor marry the same sex...I completely support them in living in conjunction with their slightly different views so long as thei views are limited to their body.

If not, then FUCK THEM!

[immoderate]

39. You want intolerance?

You know, there is a general moratorium around here on criticizing people's spelling, writing and grammar. And I can see that. We're interested in the exchange of ideas here, and people don't want to be reticent because they think they'll be jumped on for writing errors.

But since you appear to be a hit and run divider, I'm going to drop months, no, years of pent up hostility I feel towards people who use alot. There is no such word! You want hate? I hate that! Boy, am I pissed!

There's two kinds of people in this world, those who would use "alot," and those who respect culture, and have sensitivity and kindness and appreciation of humanity.

Gates crumble. Barbarians rush in! I must go and lie down.

--IMM:argh: