Andy is apparantly having a hassle. . .can we calmly

[stellanoir]

be supportive of him?

For those who didn't see the other threads that were locked. . .and in complete accordance with DU rules. . .pullease do not incite harrassment here.

Enough money was raised out of the kindness and generosity of many to afford Andy Stephenson his much needed "Whipple Procedure." though he was scheduled for the procedure to be performed today, Paypal said that he couldn't access the funds for the procedure for several days. John Hopkins needs the money up front.

He had said something about Paypal accusing him of fraud. I can only speculate but given all the work he did for our democracy, gratis. And what he's gone through over the past 6 months or so. It's probably some clerical or accounting error.

Bottom line is that he needs this hassle like he needs a hole in the head.

The customer service number for Paypal is 888-221-1161.

Consider gently reminding them in a polite manner that they have his funds and that he needs them desperately.

Be nice let's not get this locked.

[matcom]

1. course not

that's a "few days" and $50k worth of INTEREST for them to collect :eyes:

calling now

[stellanoir]

2. yeah I know

that's why it's such bull.

[Bill219]

32. ...

Having run a business on ebay in the past and dealing with paypal I will relate my experience

I used to sell electronics on ebay and most of my buyers used paypal to pay. In my first few months I got alot of sales and alot of very high dollar payments. After the first month in business I had acquired $35,000 in my paypal account. I received a letter from Paypal saying that my account was being suspended due to possible fraudulent transactions and all my money was being frozen.

I called paypal immediately to get an explanation and to ream them a new one. I was told that they have people and equipment in place that observe ALL of your transactions. If something happens to your account, such as a large amount of payments that go outside the norm for your average usage history or you get a substantial amount of payments in the same amount, then these are enough to trigger your account being flagged to be investigated

I had to present them with all kinds of documentation to affirm to them that I was not doing anything illegal such as a pyramid scheme or money laundering..but it did take two days

[katinmn]

103. thankfully sfexpat2000 is in direct contact with Johns Hopkins

and reports they are being very helpful.

Thanks, Beth!

:)

[FizzFuzz]

128. phew--big sigh of relief

Most important post, from my point of view

[crispini]

4. Please let us know

what they say.

[yvr girl]

14. Just press zero to cut to the chase

I said I was a friend, and that Andy was having trouble getting his money released. I told her it was for an operation and that he might die without it.

[Walt Starr]

3. It's possible that somebody in the media might find this of interest

"Man loses out on life saving procedure because PayPal won't release the funds that were raised online to pay for the procedure."

It's a better story than the runaway bride and the Michael Jackson trial!

[katinmn]

11. my thoughts exactly, Walt. I'm also ready to call my senators

at the drop of a hat, I will.

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

21. I would suggest...

Calling Jay Inslee.

[fooj]

53. Hi Walt...

If you need to keep a # handy, I have one for you...[phone]. It's the PR # for PayPal. FYI.B-)

[fleabert]

5. on hold now...

I'll let you know what they say...I am sure they are not expecting to get phone calls about this! (much less a thousand or so!)

[fleabert]

28. update...getting transferred to resolution center. the girl was very

nice and seemed very concerned for Andy!

[fleabert]

72. 2nd update...talked to Resolution center...very polite

he said the best advice he could give would be for Andy to call the resolution center and discuss the account with them further. I asked him to note on the account that I was calling to express that the funds were legit, and that this would be a lifesaving decision to release the money. I mentioned Air America Radio and Mike Malloy, as well as DU having 60,000+ members (and to expect more phone calls from us), as well as the fact that this money was raised in literally two weeks.

Please have Andy call back if he can, perhaps with the few calls that have come thru already things may change...

ps-I know he looked at Andy's account but didn't discuss it with me in detail; he asked for the account email addy and checked it out. So make sure you ask them to note the account that you called so every single call gets notated!

[katinmn]

6. trying to get past the phone guards

x(

[Spazito]

7. Could someone clarify if it is the monies donated toward the

2nd half owed to JH or all monies donated through paypal during both donation drives that is being withheld? The reason I ask is if it is the full amount donated I can point out my specific donation being witheld from Andy as a paypal member which might give me an even stronger argument when I contact them.

[paineinthearse]

8. My conversation with PayPal

It took a few minutes to get through the voice recognition prompts. I just finally said "customer service" (which is not an option) and then went into a musak queue.

I've now been holding for 5 minutes.......

edit: I explained the situation. The customer service nazi said she could not go another's account so she could not answer my question why funds were being held.

[Orrex]

9. Don't want to mess anything up

Is it appropriate to contact PayPal in this manner? I would hate to harm his situation by testing the PayPal's wrath, after all.

I believe that their policy is clear, in terms of non-collectibility of funds, but it also seems clear to me that someone in the bureaucratic chain must have yea/nay authority over such matters.

Has this story made it to any part of the MSM? I'd think that this is the kind of thing that PayPay would love to make public (assuming that they step up and release the funds), because it would showcase them as an instrumental part of this life-saving procedure, and how can you buy that kind of publicity?

I confess that I haven't been able to follow all of the threads, but it seems astonishing that Johns Hopkins must have all payment up front. It's not as though he's going to make a break for it immediately post-op, and goodness knows that bankruptcy rules won't let him default.

What a stupid, stupid load of shit for him to have to deal with.

:banghead:

[valis]

15. I don't think PayPal will discuss somebody's account

with anybody who is not the account owner... If they did they'd be in big trouble...

[fleabert]

17. I know Malloy mentioned it on AAR, but I haven't seen anything

else in regular media... Daily Kos had a bit on it, and Will Pitt's blog has a great letter (that's what malloy read on the air).

I plan on just saying, I am following a story of an individual online, his name is Andy Stevenson, and I understand Paypal has frozen access to the funds donated to him for surgery. I donated to this fund and I wish to express that this is a legitmate fund for Andy, who has cancer and must have the funds upfront for lifesaving surgery. Please release the funds to Andy.

and that's it. I will be nice and perfunctory, I don't want to piss them off either. I am on hold right now... blech.

[SGBL]

76. "Is it appropriate to contact PayPal in this manner"

Unless you have power of attorney or hold the account absolutely not.

It would be akin to walking in to a bank and expecting to deal with someone elses account.

[Orrex]

87. Not quite how I meant it

Obviously I wouldn't say "hey, release the funds in account XXXXX-XX on my authority." Instead, I wondered if PayPal would respond unfavorably to policy inquiries, or if such general questions might be fruitful.

Otherwise, what was the point of including the customer service number in the original post, if not to encourage call-ins from people who have no actual authority on the account?

[noamnety]

10. Is he having the same problems with amazon?

Maybe if he hasn't accepted the paypal funds, we could get have him reject those on our request, and we could resend through amazon, if we can't get this resolved.

(on hold with paypal now)

[yvr girl]

12. I've called too

Their resolution department's number is 1-402-935-7733. It might help bypass all the press this button.

I talked to someone named Annette, who seemed helpful, but someone more knowledgeable needs to call. Andy or one of his key fundraisers.

Do we know if this is going to be a problem with John Hopkins? Can we provide evidence of the funds? Can paypal issue a statement that the funds are in hand, but it will take a couple of days to release them. Can we show proof of the fund raising efforts here on DU and elsewhere.

If they balk, can we contact a consumer reporter in Baltimore to rattle their chain. We can also contact John Hopkins PR department. A group that can raise that much money can make a lot of noise. A PR person can grease some wheels that an accounts person might not be willing to.

[Maat]

13. We need to remain calm.

Whether or not we like it, we are represenatives of the Progressive Movement.

Much attention is paid to us.

We can stay calm here, and calmly express our views without HARASSMENT.

I agree.

I'm proud of this DU effort, and I believe that it will go down in history as one of the better progressive efforts.

I think that the JH facility ought to be aware that much bad publicity will result, whether anyone wants that or not, if the admittance and procedure does not happen. And I have never in my life advocated harassment, and I don't now. But it is fair to say that negative publicity will probably result if things do not go down as scheduled.

And I hope and pray that the administrators of PayPal and JH are fully informed before they make any decisions (of the nationwide effort). That is only fair, for they will take the brunt of any negative publicity.

I'm praying that everything will go well.

I know it will.

We just need to be patient.

[katinmn]

20. I'm trying ....I've got the phone no of JH's dir of public affairs

in case we need it.

[FuzzySlippers]

16. How on earth do you get to talk to a human being?

I tried calling, but couldn't make my way through the maze of menu options.

[yvr girl]

23. press zero

ask for accounts

[FuzzySlippers]

39. Thanks!

:hi:

[katinmn]

24. same here. I looked up a diff no on the website, too

same thing

[wakeme2008]

18. I do know that Paypal takes days to clear payments.

A lot of people do drafts against their checking account (I do) and it takes a couple days for the money to come out of my account and go into another account.

This is not PayPal fault.

So money donated on this weekend when banks are closed would not be available until probably Thursday.

[EFerrari]

19. Hi there, everyone: DON'T PANIC

I'm on the phone with PP and the hospital is being wonderful. It's all good, it will be worked out.

Last minute stuff always happens. Let's all take a deep breathe and send Andy our positive vibes, okay?

Do we have a deal? :hi:

[Maat]

25. Deal!!

And thanks again.

[katinmn]

26. you got it! Glad they are being helpful to you.

[Ladyhawk]

30. There is always something, isn't there?

It will be OK. HUGS!

[yvr girl]

31. That's good news

What a relief.

[DearAbby]

36. Deal!..... thanks sfexpat

I am sure everything will be fine.

[Debbi801]

38. Thanks for the update...

Please let me know if there is anything I can do.

:hug:

Debbi

[troubleinwinter]

51. Cool beans, "Bean Counter"!!!!!

[fooj]

56. Bouncing up and down the thread trying to help you spread the message!

Peace.

[EFerrari]

129. fooj! And you with enough on your hands!

:hug:

[wicket]

58. thank-you!!!

:yourock:

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

95. What wonderful news! Thank you again and again and again and again

You're a true earth angel. :)

[crispini]

22. I'd like to hear from Andy, flyarm, or sfexpat

as to what they would like us to do.

Although my payment to Andy did not go through Paypal, I have a *business* paypal account, WITH FUNDS sitting in it. I will be more than happy to close my paypal account, withdraw all of my funds, and let them know exactly why I am doing so. However, I will eagerly be waiting for one of our "captains" to speak before taking action.

[EFerrari]

37. crispini, see#19 thank you! n/t

[Fridays Child]

27. Maybe we should call Johns Hopkins, too? Do they understand that Andy has

friends who will just keep raising money--however long it takes--until he's fully covered?

[katinmn]

33. Beth is talking with them now. See a few posts up.

[babylonsister]

35. He's fully covered, the money is there, but from what

I'm gathering PayPal isn't going to release it yet. But the $50,000 hs been raised.

[EFerrari]

44. No need to call JH. They are being grand. Thank you though

for the thought. We'll be fine. :)

[greatauntoftriplets]

62. Once again, Beth...

Thank you!

[EFerrari]

69. Hi there!

We'll be fine!

[shrike]

102. JH is a good place

My brother is a resident there. Some of the best cancer specialists in the world.

[Spazito]

29. I, too, am on hold with paypal

The way I am going to approach this is to ask for confirmation that the monies I sent to Andy via paypal have been released and received by him and give them the transaction # that was sent to me from them. This way I am enquiring about my account, my transaction and not about Andy's account. I hope this way will work.

Edited to add: just read that it is being sorted out, am glad to hear that!!

Edited to add again: I stayed on hold just so it could be recorded as a call re-affirming my donation was intended for this person and to ensure he received it. I was very polite and thanked the fellow for his time at the end of the conversation so I don't think it will harm anything.

[noamnety]

34. I don't understand what the paypal guy is telling me

He's saying I need to tell him who manages Andy's account, which I would think they would have a record of; I certainly don't.

I'm back on hold again, because I just asked to speak to someone else. Between the accent and the logic, I didn't get very far with the first guy. This is frustrating.

[yvr girl]

41. They can't give you private information

You can register a complaint, but they can't and shouldn't tell you the details of Andy's account.

[noamnety]

50. And I sure don't want the private information

But it's weird that they are asking me who handles his account and are claiming they can't resolve it unless I tell them who handles it. They should have a record of who administers his account, so they can resolve it.

[yvr girl]

68. They're probably just trying to verify you aren't malicious

I gave them Andy's email address. They said they put a not on the file. We can't deal with the mechanics of getting money released, but we can let them know there is public concern.

[SGBL]

89. Ask your self this

If you walked in to a bank and said "I want to talk about Bob Smith and his account" when your name is Tom Landrew what do you think they would say?

[noamnety]

109. I wanted to talk about MY account

and why they weren't releasing the funds I had sent.

I didn't want personal info on his account, I wanted to know why they weren't releasing funds from me. I was shocked they were asking me for information on his account - maybe you misunderstood that part.

[valis]

43. Wooo Hoooo! Don't you love chinese customer support?

[Freddie Stubbs]

67. They figure that if you do not know who manages the account,

it is not any of your business. Imagine if someone called them and asked about your account. Bureaucracy has it's purpose of preventing fraud, but sometimes (as in this case) its inflexibility is harmful.

[WilliamPitt]

40. They accused him of fraud???

grumble mutter snarl

[EFerrari]

48. We'll be fine. I'm on hold and we'll straighten this out n/t

[mogster]

65. I'm sorry to hear this

But I have a pretty good feeling you're just the person to fix it :-)

Who'd have thunk? :shrug: I am amazed.

[SoCalDem]

42. I called The Baltimore Sun and talked to a person there

They sounded interested in the story, and said that someone would call me back.. Apparently the person I needed to talk to was in a meeting..

We'll see..

[yvr girl]

60. That's a good plan, but she said the hospital was being great

Even if Andy doesn't need the storming hoards to get his money released, it's a great story about the state of health care in the US. You should give the number and contact info to Bouncey Ball.

[SoCalDem]

79. I thought it would make a good human interest story

especially timely too, since more and more people are priced out of the "health care system"..

But then, they may not even call me back :(

[babylonsister]

83. I hope they return your call. You can weave this whole

effort for Andy into the story concerning the lengths people without health care have to go to who are lucky enough to have a big supportive community. And those that don't? :shrug: But it's a wonderful human interest story, and with all the prayers going Andy's way, it's going to work and give him back his life!

[SoCalDem]

101. HE CALLED ME BACK.. HIS NAME IS MIKE STROH

we talked for about 15 minutes..I tried to give him the overview and gave him numbers of the people who organized this fundraising event..:)

He was typing the whole time we talked, so maybe he will do a story on Andy :)

[leftchick]

108. That would be very cool SoCal!

Great job!

:applause:

[blm]

123. Quick thinking, compadre.

.

[liberalnurse]

132. OMG that is terrific!!!

This is good media fodder! Go Get'em!!!!!:applause:

[Samurai_Writer]

45. I'm waiting before taking any action....

I'd like to hear from sfexpat2000 on what SHE thinks we should do. We don't want to make things worse than they already are. I know she's on top of it already.

However, if we need to get this out to the press for any reason, I can write up a news release regarding it to faxblast to the various media outlets. Let me know!

Peace,
Bella

[meganmonkey]

46. See post #19

It's all good.

[katinmn]

47. agreed. I will keep checking back to see if help is needed

[EFerrari]

64. thank you! sorry I didn't see these threads sooner

:hi:

[fooj]

49. I JUST SPOKE WITH ANDY ON THE PHONE...

He gave me a public relations phone # [phone]. That's the PR # for PayPal. I told him not to worry about a thing...his "pitbulls" had it handled. Apparently, he has a generous friend who is willing to cover the amount until it is released so DO NOT PANIC!!!


Peace.

[bpilgrim]

55. sounds like SOP for paypal after 911 changed 'EVERYTHING' and status quo

for our bean counters in charge of our current 'health care' system.

this is NUTS :argh:

but anyways... thank you VERY MUCH for keeping us posted and glad to hear things are being worked out in the between time :toast:

peace

[troubleinwinter]

57. Kick THIS above post and post #19 !!!!!!!!!!

[ultraist]

52. Have you checked this with Beth?

Personally, I do not think it's a good idea to start jamming up paypal's phone lines. Let those in charge handle it.

And in response to someone else's question about calling John Hopkins, I'd say NO! JH cannot discuss a patient's confidential info anyway.

[troubleinwinter]

61. SEE POST #19

[Cassandra]

54. I called them and told them...

that I know Andy personally and that there is no fraud involved but simply a cancer operation. The manager I spoke to said he couldn't go into details but that one of the problems might have been that Andy had a personal instead of merchants account (apparently), which cannot access a lot of money quickly. He said they are working on the problem as we speak. I told him that I understood that this is an unusual situation for them but if we had had more warning from the hospital, we would have had the time to send checks in and wouldn't have bothered them with this at all.
I kept myself very calm, although I did mention that Andy's friends include a number of lawyers and media savvy bloggers who are all looking forward to Andy getting his operation on time.

[Maat]

63. Good for you!

That's the kind of info we have to get across.

But I have faith that it will be taken care of. It's all good.

This was a fantastic, historical effort.

Maybe we will learn a thing or two for future efforts, however.

[noamnety]

75. I talked to John at paypal

He gave permission to post his ID number here: E3053

He explained that it takes days for the process of transferring funds, even if they release the money immediately. And he confirmed that they need Andy or whoever is handling his account to call and give a bit more info to clear the account to receive the money - which it sounds like someone is already handling.

He was open to the idea of faxing confirmation of the funds to JH - which also it sounds like is being handled at this point.

[deutsey]

59. Isn't crazy that JH is refusing treatment because he doesn't have

the funds immediately available?

Crazy, and perhaps unethical?

:shrug:

[Lisa0825]

66. yes, definitely unethical, IMO.

This could end up being bad PR for them. I'd expect such a respected institution to be a bit more flexible, especially when there is so much evidence that the money is on the way.

[troubleinwinter]

70. See post #44... JH is being helpful.

[Lisa0825]

78. Perhaps they are NOW, but... they did initially ask for a down pmt,

and then decided they had to have it ALL up front. That's not very helpful, IMO.

[troubleinwinter]

82. Evidently it was a miscommunication within their offices.

[Garbo 2004]

94. The surgery initially was scheduled for June then moved up to Tues which

is why the rush to get the rest of the payment by today. (This according to flyarm who was involved in getting Andy seen by JH.) It was always the plan to have the funds up front but the surgery date got moved up.

[Lisa0825]

107. Aha.... thanks for the explanation.

The other posts I had seen on this aspect of the surgery all indicated that they "decided" they wanted it all up front. Nice to know it was just due to changing the date.

[Maat]

74. I want to hear an update from sfexpat2000 (Beth) before ..

I take further action.

To make clear where I was coming from before, it is Andy and Beth that have to interface with both JH and PayPal. That's the key.

Both orgs, however, will find out about the nationwide effort, and that is good. It is inevitable, and will be positive in the longrun.

[fooj]

81. Look, I just said that I spoke with Andy. Everything is ok now.

Honest. Trust me...I''m a behind the scenes kind of gal but I assure you- it will be ok. Thanks for all the love and caring...

[valis]

71. Sometimes multiple actions eliminate each other...

This should be coordinated among VERY FEW people who have been closely in the loop and know what they are doing. OK?

[Maat]

80. Absolutely correct, Valis!

[fooj]

84. We've got a winner here!!!

Thank you.

Peace.

[EFerrari]

86. Hi there, this isn't happening. JH is being wonderful.

We're so lucky to be working with someone who is patient and flexible. No worries, okay?

[fooj]

90. How's that chili doing?

Need a bowl right about now? LOL!

Peace.

[katinmn]

93. No worries.

This thread reminds me of an army of guard dogs straining at their chains.

:o

[Samurai_Writer]

97. You got that right!

We got Andy's back, that's for sure! No one's going to mess with him without about 5,000 die-hard activists coming to his aid!

:spank:

Oh wait, not that kind of back...

[EFerrari]

113. Exactly!

"You broke into the wrong Rec Room, buddy!" -- Tremors

:)

[grasswire]

73. most pay-pal-ers know...

....that it takes several days for money to be released into a bank account from the Paypal account. Do we know if Andy has requested that transfer action? Otherwise, it'll be just sitting in Paypal.

Also, has a calculation been made for the Paypal fees that will tap an approximate 3 percent of the funds? That's about $1500 he won't get.

[fooj]

77. ATTENTION K-MART SHOPPERS!!! Everything is ok!

No Blue-light specials today! Sfexpat2000 has it under control! Spoke w/Andy not even 10 min. ago and it will all be fine. Just send him GOOD VIBES...


Peace.

[Maat]

85. Yep, Fooj, and thanks!

It sounds to me like Andy may be getting the pre-op jitters.

Take it easy, Andy!

We're praying and sending good energy/thoughts your way!

Everything will be fine!

On edit:
When I had my little procedure, I made the anethesiologist come and talk to me personally - I practically reviewed his credentials right then and there. I had a big fear that I wouldn't wake up! Silly, my procedure went great!

[fooj]

88. Yes, Indeedy!

You are welcome, Maat! Lots of great energy here.


Peace.

[Maat]

92. Positive enegy! Positive energy!

And thank you for your effort.

I'm a religious scientist. We act as if it is already done in our prayers, for Spirit (God, the Universe, the Universal Mind, the One-Mind, One-Energy, Human Interconnectedness) will deliver! And so it is! And it is done!

Peace and Blessings,

[stellanoir]

91. see the kindness

in post #49 for reference.

It seems as though things might just be fixed but let's stay tuned and take every bit of our energy and send Andy even more good vibes.

Great work everyone !!! Now let's just envision him being healthy and happy on the other side of this to do his life's work which is so aligned with ours.

[mogster]

99. Good vibes on the way

It didn't say HOW good, so I turned the meter full way :-)

Get this man hospitalized! :-o
I've never for the life of me seen such endless row of hurdles to pass before a cancer operation?

Um.. OK, :hi:

[Sparkle]

96. This is really sad.

Why is paypal giving Andy such a hard time? Dont' they realize this is a life and death situation? What about the amazon account? Will they make him wait too?

:argh: :argh: :argh: :argh: :argh: :argh: :argh: :argh:
:argh: :argh: :argh: :argh: :argh: :argh: :argh: :argh:
:argh: :argh: :argh: :argh: :argh: :argh: :argh: :argh:
:argh: :argh: :argh: :argh: :argh: :argh: :argh: :argh:

[meganmonkey]

98. See above - it looks like it is okay... n/t

[spanone]

104. Money trumps everything in today's society.

[Wheezy]

100. *sending good thoughts* (n/t)

[EFerrari]

111. Thanks, Wheezy. That's the ticket!

:thumbsup:

[In_The_Wind]

105. one more bump in the road

:grr:

I'm glad it's all getting worked out.

Andy needs to rest and not be troubled about the money end of things.

It's so wonderful that he has people like you and others to lean on at this time !

[Catherine Vincent]

106. Andy's "pitbulls"?

LOL!

[EFerrari]

110. Andy's honorary Norwegian Election Nerds!

:hi:

[goodboy]

112. I'm cool as a cucumber in Columbus...I knew everything was gonna be fine

[EFerrari]

115. attaboy!

:)

[goodboy]

122. Hey beth...(nt)

[troubleinwinter]

118. GOODBOY! I got somethin for ya!!!

[goodboy]

120. I wonder where that came from??? You fixed the red-eye too!

[demodonkey]

119. Hi goodboy (and goodgirl)!

Thanks for everything you folks did in Columbus!

:loveya:


PS -- I agree everything is gonna be fine... feel SO strongly about that!

[goodboy]

121. It was our pleasure, and it was wonderful meeting you! (nt)

[tjdee]

114. FYI everybody, Paypal does routinely hold money for 3-5 days...

And I'm sorry that I wasn't thinking and didn't mention this before.
If you have an ebay auction, or whatever, when you go to withdraw the money the only way you can do it instantly is if you have their debit card. Otherwise, to have it withdrawn into your bank account, it takes 3-4 days.

Too bad none of us had that come to mind before, sorry Andy!

Of course, accusing Andy of fraud is not cool, and I'm glad everything has worked out.

[EFerrari]

116. This would be funny if we weren't all so activated.

They froze the account because TOO MUCH MONEY WAS COMING IN!

:rofl:

So, they just needed to be informed about the nature of this drive. It will take a day or two but, it will be all right.

Problems like this, I've love to be having. :)

Beth
www.missionnotaccomplished.us

[katinmn]

117. LOL!

:)

[Maat]

126. Oh, that's rich!!!

Well, thanks again!

I can't wait to find out that the surgery went well.

[im10ashus]

127. Whew!

I was hoping there was a reasonable explanation. Thanks for all your hard work, Beth! You are the best!

Brett

[EFerrari]

124. The paypal issue has been resolved.

One for the Rebel Alliance.

:)

[katinmn]

125. Yay! Good job!

:thumbsup:

We were pretty wound up there for a while. LOL

[nicknameless]

134. Thank you for all you're doing, Beth!

:hi: :hug:

[brainshrub]

130. Let's blame the Corporate Health-care system, not PayPal.

PayPal is just being careful.

[EFerrari]

131. Agree. And it's indecent for Andy to have to be dealing with this

right now.

We need to get busy on health care. We can do better than this.

peace,
Beth

www.missionnotaccomplished.us

[ikojo]

133. This is normal for pay pal and when someone has a

large deposit. The bank will wait until all checks clear before releasing the money. I also think that any transaction over $10k must be reported to the Federal Government per the PATRIOT Act. Although the money may have come in via many small donations, it all adds up to more than $10k.

Also, Since this is coming into Andy's personal paypal account it may be treated by the IRS as income and subject to taxes. I am no lawyer but it might be a good idea to incorporate Andy if there will be additional fundraisers on his behalf.

[IronLionZion]

135. Excellent points

The $10K law was in place long before the USA PATRIOT Act. And yeah the IRS are going to really fuck things up for poor Andy.

No offense to the organizers of this of course. It's a wonderful thing to do for Andy. But goddamnit, this is going to take time to sort out and it sounds like Andy doesn't have that much time.

Andy's congressional delegation seem to be liberal Democrats. I think he lives in Seattle?

Cantwell, Maria- (D - WA) Class I
717 HART SENATE OFFICE BUILDING WASHINGTON DC 20510
[phone]
Web Form: cantwell.senate.gov/contact/index.html

Murray, Patty- (D - WA) Class III
173 RUSSELL SENATE OFFICE BUILDING WASHINGTON DC 20510
[phone]
Web Form: murray.senate.gov/email/index.cfm

Jim McDermott (D-WA 7th district)
http://www.house.gov/mcdermott/contact.shtml

[IronLionZion]

136. Will you all please calm yourselves down

Andy will have his surgery on Tuesday May 10. They took a loan. Fuck Paypal.

Don't believe me? Look at this thread that was started only 1 hour after this one.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=3625091

no offense stellanoir