ANDY'S SURGERY HAS BEEN CANCELLED FOR TODAY....

[greatauntoftriplets]

He arrived at the hospital this morning and was told that they had not received the checks and that the surgery was cancelled. After raising holy hell and traipsing around Johns Hopkins, Andy learned that the checks were on the mailroom supervisor's desk at 11:45 yesterday morning, but were not sent to Financial Services. The checks were marked for Financial Services and had Andy's name and patient ID number on it.

He now has to talk to the doctor to find out when it is rescheduled.

As he says, a simple phone call would have resolved this and he would be in surgery right this minute.

[ET Awful]

1. WTF?

I'd be down in the mail room doing some surgery of my own on that mailroom supervisor's office. :)

This is ridiculous.

[joeybee12]

2. Frigging morons....

...instead of canceling the surgery, like you said, they could have made the phone call.

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

3. One would hope...

That the supervisor's supervisor has a long and realistic talk about this with him or her. No way that should have happened. No way. Pure laziness.

[greatauntoftriplets]

8. Andy has asked me to say....

that the mail supervisor has been great. In fact, he didn't know what to do with the checks (ask someone....) and was there to hand them over to Andy.

[hlthe2b]

36. GAOT, I just want to understand. How could the mail super NOT know

what to do with the checks? The envelope was addressed to FINANCIAL SERVICES. It is a MAILROOM. They deliver the mail to the addressee!!!

What on earth was the problem? What is it they DIDN't Know?!!!!!

[EFerrari]

61. There are a lot of offices that process checks there. n/t

[merh]

99. sfexpat - thanks for what you are doing!

:hug: Everyone needs to just let you work with the idiots, I mean the professionals, and this will be worked out.

Remember to breath - and remember, Andy's Angels are here if you need us, ready to take on anyone that gets in his way! :grouphug:


Never Give Up!

:hug: I DU BELIEVE! :hug:

[ohio_liberal]

4. And we're feeling good about Johns Hopkins why?

Hope you get it rescheduled soon Andy. :grouphug:

[deutsey]

5. I still say JH should not be allowed to refuse the surgery

because they believe they haven't received payment yet.

It's particularly insulting when it turns out it's because JH doesn't have its act together.

[koopie57]

6. I wonder what it would feel like

to be able to save another's life, but choose not to cuz of money.

[hlthe2b]

7. OHHHHHHH, Andy I'm so sorry. Please, please, please don't let this

get you down. We need you pumped with positivity. Let us be angry for you. Let us take on the frustration. Having said that, I'd love to have two minutes to talk with that Mailroom superviser. Damn....

[spanone]

9. I worked in hospitals, it's a fucked up environment. Like Big Government.

layers and layers of bullshit.

[koopie57]

14. yes, I work in pathology in a hosptital

and it is like each person singularly wants to do what is best, each on their own care, but the whole picture ... it fucks it up.

[supernova]

79. I can testify to this

I logged 4 years at our local research and teaching university hospital. I'm not going to mention names, but if you know where I live; you know which one I'm talking about. Yes, it's in the same league as JH.

These big hospitals are like cities unto themselves. The clinicians are are all very smart, over-achieving, and mostly some of the kindest most compassionate people you'd ever want to meet. And all of them have the stamina of Alexander's Army.

The downside is the buracracies that run these places are holdovers from the Byzantine Empire!! You wouldn't believe the hoops you have to go through just to do some nominal task like get reimbursed from petty cash. Nevermind pay for surgery.

Andy, my heart goes out to you. And I hope your surgery will get done this week.

[katinmn]

17. more quality control goes into the making of a refridgerator

than in running a hospital, according to a perfusionist who has been in the field for 20+ years.

[Generic Other]

10. With the amount of money they are extorting from him

you'd think they'd treat him with a bit more compassion.

He should check in to another hospital.

[meganmonkey]

24. Can't. The procedure he is getting is very specialized

there aren't any other places he can go. Especially without insurance. Many strings were pulled...

[sinkingfeeling]

11. Part of the reason medical costs in the USA are so frinking high is

all the administrative 'charges' and duplication. There's a cost involved with scheduling an OR and then cancelling it. Poor Andy.

[undeterred]

12. Wow. I used to work for a surgeon and he would have been pissed as hell

if his schedule was changed at the last minute because of something like this. I guess the doctors used to have a lot more pull in hospitals than administrators.

[koopie57]

25. there are some surgeons who are asses ... but

the good ones ... their goal is to save lives. It is like they get in the groove, they see what is wrong, how to fix it, and once they are in their mind set, they want to fix it. That is the good ones though.

[shrike]

75. My husband had semi-emergency surgery last summer

He was bumped ahead of everyone else and one of the surgeons was pissed. He stormed in with a complaint, but then an OR nurse took him into the back office and shut the door. He came out sheepish and said nothing more.

[GCP]

13. FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK

GODDAM JOHNS HOPKINS, IT'S ONE THING AFTER ANOTHER. I'M FUCKING FED UP OF EVERY FUCKING THING THEY'RE THROWING IN THE WAY OF THIS SURGERY.

[greatauntoftriplets]

16. I agree....

Pisses me off.

[katinmn]

22. I bet if JH knew how many people were following this case so closely

all around the country, they'd shit bricks. And maybe they'd get it together.

[spanone]

30. When my mother was dying from cancer I brought her to Vanderbilt

Hospital in Nashville, which was well known for it's cancer treatment. First thing they did was LOSE her x-rays from her previous hospital. IT'S ALL ABOUT MONEY. ALL ABOUT MONEY.

[acmejack]

64. Yeah, and how many of congresspeople are involved in it?

HCA has certainly done their part to make medical care unaccessible to the poor;hell, to any one but the wealthy now. If I wasn't "lucky" enough to be a disabled vet I would most certainly be among the ranks of the uninsured (and untreated). And just what is it that makes this allegedly the "greatest country on earth"?

[earth mom]

68. I agree-it's all about MONEY MONEY MONEY

it is sickening! I thought doctors took an OATH to save lives and that came first before anything?! This country has gone downhill mainly because of the rampant greed that is everywhere! :grr:

Poor Andy-I'm sorry that he's going through this-my fingers are crossed that they will reschedule within a day or two! Sending Good Vibes! :)

[Throckmorton]

154. April's cancer treatment cost over 630,000 dollars

all of it spent in the 14 months between her diagnosis and her death. It was just unbeleavable what we were subjected too at the hands of the medical establishment.

Cancelled surgeries, lost pathologies, postponed tests, double billings, billings from doctors that had never seen her or her tests results, discharge screw-ups, stolen personal property, it just goes on and on.

[all.of.me]

70. sounds like a letter to the editor is in order!

[DS1]

15. It would appear that Johns Hopkins is plagued by the same kind

of clerical fuckwits that the rest of the country is.

This guy should be hung out to dry.

[EFerrari]

34. The mail room sup did his job. The JH Admins did not. They

apparently didn't even call to ask if there was anything there from Andy.

[DS1]

45. admin/clerical. same thing

How about 'idiots behind desks'

[meganmonkey]

18. Oh, man.....

Even though it will all work out, the waiting has got to suck.

Bummer.

[stellanoir]

19. woh

what a roller coaster ride for him. This stress cannot be helping him at all. Consider sending even more good vibes to counteract.

[EFerrari]

20. Actually, the mail room supervisor was the only one who did

the right thing. He wasn't sure where to send it so he kept it on his desk to research or in case someone called him.

Nobody called him. In fact, they told me he didn't exist when I told them who signed for the check.

Now JH is feeling defensive because they know they blew the paperwork. I've a call into Patient Relations and am trying not to kick anything that might break.


Andy is gettng some rest. I may need to do the same soon. Can't help thinking that if Andy had Blue Cross, they wouldn't have their money today anyway, they would have to wait to process the claim.

[katinmn]

26. well, let JH know they are under a fucking microscope right now

diplomatically, of course.

Seriously, let them know that that we are out here and we are VERY dissapointed and you are having a hard time keeping us from doing something RASH. :)

[EFerrari]

29. I'm so tempted in about 25 directions. But will try to keep it

together until Patient Relations call. :nuke:

[anarchy1999]

42. I imagine you pacing and kicking different non-breakable items at this

moment. Sit down, sweetie, close your eyes and take deep breaths, letting them out slowly. Get off the computer, close your eyes and think about what you can say to be the most effective. Focus, and breath deep.

Do somehow enter in how the money was raised and effective DU'ers can be when pressed and how this is going to reflect upon JH in a not positive way. We DU'ers can make things happen and we'd like to see them reschedule ASAP or they could wind up with some rather unpleasant heat and bad PR.

Just a suggestion, good luck.

We are all waiting to hear from you and we've got your back.

[northzax]

39. yes, but they know BC will pay

eventually. Unfortunately, medicine is a business, and people like to get paid for going to work. (not directed at you, ok?) I want to thank you for deflecting crticism of the mail room guy who did the right thing, let's not all yell at the support staff unless they deserve it.

hopkins is a research hospital, they're not making a profit on the $50,000, but they have to pay the surgeon, the surgical nurses, the residents, the ward nurses, the technicians, the guy who runs the blood bank, the custodians, the desk people, the sterilization crew, the pharmaceutical companies, the insurance companies, the medical supply houses, the phone bill, the water bill, the linen company, and the amortisation on all the technology used. Surgery, of any kind, is expensive. I know several surgeons, all of whom would work for free on a lot of cases, but they cannot work alone, and they cannot order scrub nurses to work for free.

But yes, I bet the surgeon is pissed.

full disclosure, I am a graduate student at Hopkins, but not in the medical field, while I could have surgery done at Hopkins Medical, I have never actually been there.

[EFerrari]

55. Sure. The thing that is striking to me is that when I passed the

delivery information to the hospital admin, the lady told me the signor did not exist!

I'm sure that there are people who have tried to scam them. But, it would have been worth a one minute phone call to the gentleman who had it on his desk..

[bear425]

53. So now he's going to be charged for an extra night in the hospital?

He should so NOT DO THAT!

[Fridays Child]

59. I don't think he was checked in yet. But to add insult to injury...

...Andy will have to go through the whole gastro-intestinal cleansing procedure again, as he did last night. If you've ever had a colonoscopy, you know how bad that sucks.

[yvr girl]

175. He better not have to pay for it again

Bad enough he has to live through it again.

[mopaul]

21. welcome to the american health system

fuckers. just add torture to the man's problems.

andy will hang tough.

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[meganmonkey]

82. Are you crazy?

I'll answer that.

YES YOU ARE!

[katinmn]

86. yes, he's soon to be renamed "deleted"

[Individualist]

127. LIAR!

[Jo March]

146. Doctors can't release patient information - any IDIOT knows that

You need to get a life, MrNiceGuyDied, and crawl back into your hole.

No doctor and especially not a doctor's lawyer is going to release that information to just anyone who calls.

[undeterred]

23. When Andy is on the other side of this I hope he or someone else

writes it up in detail - so people know what someone has to go through when they don't have insurance.

[Kansas Wyatt]

28. And demands a discount refund on the bill..

Because of their screw-up.

[Auntie Bush]

27. That's a bummer! I hate to say it ...but those surgeon's schedules

are planned days in advance and are full. I just hope Andy will get it rescheduled soon...but it's not the hospital's fault if they can't do it tomorrow or for a couple days. I hope he doesn't have to hang around the hospital for days...just when he was all hyped up and emotionally ready to go. Good luck Andy and find something rewarding to do and most of all...RELAX.

[Lisa0825]

31. And lets not forget that every addition day is an additional expense for

Andy. People, keep Andy in your budget, please! Next payday is just around the corner!

[unsavedtrash]

32. numbers deleted

all better

[OzarkDem]

35. Contact your legislators

Johns Hopkins also receives tons of federal funds for research, etc.

[EFerrari]

37. If you call Patient Relations, PLEASE be civil. If we make people

even more uptight, it won't help. A call from a concerned donor might help. An angry call from the internets won't.

[unsavedtrash]

38. self delete

[Stephanie]

44. DO NOT harass the hospital!

That will not help Andy at all. PLEASE don't do this. Let sfexpat handle it as she has been all along. The last thing Andy needs is for us to antagonize these people. Please!

[unsavedtrash]

47. did I say harrass? That was not my intentions at all

[Stephanie]

51. I don't think any of us should be contacting the hospital

It is officially none of our business. Please let sfexpat handle this and don't screw it up for Andy by antagonizing the hospital staff. They don't need to hear from us. It will only make things worse.

[merh]

114. Thank you Stephanie

We need to remain calm and let Andy & sfexpat work this out.

No need to piss on the folks that are responsible for Andy's care.
Letters of disgust can go out after he has had his surgery, if that makes anyone feel better. Today is about getting things rescheduled, not about a full frontal war on the guys that will be taking care of our guy.

:patriot: NEVER GIVE UP! :patriot:

:hug: I DU BELIEVE! :hug:

[spooky3]

128. I agree. Many of the hospital employees are underpaid, stressed out,

DEMOCRATS who are trying to do their best. I would bet that the hospital is going to eat some expenses related to this surgery despite the $50K price tag. We need to be supportive and let the people closest to the situation work out the problems calmly.

[Stephanie]

54. thank you!

:hi:

[OzarkDem]

33. Unbelievable

It appears your ability to pay DOES affect the health care you receive.

Someone should report this to the news media.

[havocmom]

Remember all those TV ads when Hillary was working on health care?

The white couple with the nice house worried about how health care would be "rationed" if we let the system go to single payer of if the government was in charge... Well, as soon as the insurance industry beat Hillary down, Americans started to notice more and more Health Care Rationing by their Insurance Companies!

Even before that, many of us were given constant run-arounds by our carriers. I lost the use of one hand for months, faced the possibility that I would never get it to work again bacause of the road blocks my HMO kept coming up with. I finally called and told them I had a camp stove, a free standing tent, a friend who will bring me food and water and another who is a reporter for the newspaper in Tucson. If they didn't get my surgery approved by close of business that day (had been going around with them for over 11 months) I would be in their lobby upon opening the next day and set up my camp.

They aren't really against Rationed Care, so long as THEY do the rationing. Even with insurance, getting decent care is not always in the cards. If your insurance carrier is having a bad week with their Wall Street investments, they will be more tight fisted than you think!

[Zan_of_Texas]

69. ability to pay - well yeah

Not only does the non-insured person have to put up with bullshit like this, but the non-insured person is charged MORE, in general, than someone who has insurance.

I've seen the chart at my eye doctor's (no, not THAT chart with the E at the top!-- can't see that one!). Insurance company gets billed X. Person who pays cash on the barrelhead (now, not 90 days later or worse) pays X + 20% or 30%. It's totally ridiculous and unfair.

And, then the uninsured people get blamed for the high cost of health care.

And, while I'm on a roll, I'll just point out that $50K seems rather high for surgery. I don't know anything about surgery costs, but hey, that's more than a year's salary for the average person. How much is the surgeon making.....

Okay. Everybody take a deep breath, congratulate yourselves for doing YOUR jobs, and let's hope the medical staff are more gifted than the admin. people at JH.

[mogster]

40. OK, I'll try to stay calm

[Fridays Child]

56. Beautiful. Please tell me where that is.

:)

[mogster]

60. It is about 60 kloms to the south of where I live

It's a lake called Vansjo, near Moss, Norway :-)

[Spazito]

71. Beautiful photo!

I was just thinking, if we post a montage of beautiful, peaceful photos for Andy to look at while he waits, it is another way of sending good vibes. Here is my contribution from the area I live in:



Photo credit to Patrick Krohn, to be used for non-commercial purposes only.

[pilgrimsoul]

41. I think it's time to send some nastygrams to JH

This kind of incompetence is inexcusable, particularly in light of the critical nature of Andy's surgery and the disgustingly mercenary way JH has behaved throughout this shameful ordeal.

Chairman: Lenox D. Baker, Jr.
CEO: Edward D. Miller, Jr.
VP/CFO: Rich Grossi

600 North Wolfe Street
Baltimore, Maryland 21287
410-955-5000

[anarchy1999]

48. Please read above posts. "Nastygrams" are not going to be as effective

as calm voices in this storm. Pay attention.

[Bridget Burke]

74. But they'll help DU & Andy look bad.

Not that we're supposed to look at post counts.....

[Stephanie]

49. PLEASE don't do this!

Please, this is not a case where harassing people is going to be productive. PLEASE leave these people alone and let Andy and sfexpat handle it. This is a private medical issue, not pending legislation. They are not going to react well to lobbying from unrelated third parties.

[elehhhhna]

43. THAT'S A HEADLine:

"Critically Ill Patriot Denied Scheduled Surgery Due To Mailroom Failure at Johns Hopkins"

[Mairead]

122. But it wasn't a 'mailroom failure'! It was an 'admin failure'.

[Jacobin]

46. Bastards should be sued for infliction of emotional distress

THEY are the ones holding up the surgery becaue of funds. THEY are the ones who missplaced or otherwise screwed up crediting the funds to his account.

All the while, Andy is anticipating surgery....and we know what that's like.


How many more times will they put him through the ringer.

Earth to JH, if this was Blue Cross you wouldn't receive your damn blood money for 60 plus days after the surgery anyway. Looks like they are penalizing him for not being insured and paying in cash.

[WI_DEM]

50. Patient Relations is the way to go

Obviously the hospital screwed up, and patient relations is their to investigate these claims. They are the patients advocate. I work in a hospital and if they are like my hospital they are not under the thumb of management and really do take this seriously. Alot of times they will offer a discount. Main thing is for Andy to keep his spirits up--it will be rescheduled and he will have the operation. He is (despite all of this) in one of the great hospitals in the country.

[EFerrari]

58. Thanks! Good to hear this!

:)

[GardeningGal]

73. Is there anything we can do for Andy while we wait?

I don't want to start anything with the hospital without direction from you or Andy. But I'm wondering if we can do anything for Andy to help him keep his spirits up.

[EFerrari]

81. He's resting right now. I'm sure he'll post when he gets some sleep.

Thanks for asking!

[troubleinwinter]

66. I am wondering

if Patient Relations can get his hotel bills paid for the time he waits for the rescheduled date. Seems only fair, since he traveled clear across the country to be present for the sheduled surgery, and it was their FU.

[Bozita]

52. Sounding more and more like a Monty Python episode ...

... with each passing hour.

If this were written up into book form, it would be classified as fiction.

[Vladimir]

67. It bloody well should be written as a book

or more to the point, a propaganda pamphlet for universal health care.

[LibertyLover]

57. Johns Hopkins

My husband used to work for Johns Hopkins at their Bayview campus as an intraoperative monitoring tech. The stories he used to bring home! Oy.

[grasswire]

62. So Paypal DID release the monies?

I must have missed some action. The last I read yesterday (Monday), Paypal had not yet released the monies into Andy's bank account. And yet a check was sent in the mail to Johns Hopkins and arrived in the mailroom on Monday? Was that for the full amount -- the $50,000? Maybe someone can clear up the confusion. Poor Andy.

[phusion]

72. A generous friend fronted him the money...

Until paypal releases the funds.

[Maat]

63. Oh, man, I'm so ticked off ... I will try to remain calm.

If I were that administrator, I would want to fix things quicky. The scheduling was the result of a nationwide effort, and the JH facility does not need this kind of negative publicity.

Hope the patient relations person knows all this.

On edit: a lawyer needs to get involved in this. Perhaps the local ACLU could help, or the County Bar Association.

[Catherine Vincent]

65. This is ridiculous!

I can't only imagine how Andy feels. Btw, does anyone know how long this surgery usually lasts?

[Me.]

76. Not Trying To Whip This Up

But honestly, if this continue a lawyer may be needed. Andy went there in good faith, with the money they demanded and still they have messed him about. This places additional hardship and strain on him, not to mention having to house and feed himself for whatever additional days. I don't know that getting the hospital's back up is productive, but sometimes it is the only thing they respond to.

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[im10ashus]

80. WTF? What is a scam?

Paypal of Johns Hopkins?

[DS1]

83. I think he's suggesting the entire thing, the surgery, the diagnosis,

the need for money, all of it.

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[Misunderestimator]

115. Oh, two hours is it? Enough time to stir up shit over here first?

Why on earth would you put a teaser here first, and wait TWO HOURS to post your little "expose" on Kos? You're full of shit.

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[Spazito]

87. Your user name says it all to me

and it equals your credibility, it, too, died.

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[im10ashus]

What a jerk!

What give you the right? Why don't you post YOUR number and we can call you? LOSER!

[Spazito]

98. LOL, like a phone call means squat

*

Edited to add: Real Canadians don't do crap like this.

[im10ashus]

103. Well, YOU were posting the doctors number.

I guess that don't mean squat either. Were you born mentally incapable of having any sympathy for a dying person, or is this something they teach you at Freeper High School?

[Spazito]

117. I didn't post the number!

The poster that did is the one who I hope you meant your post for. Telling anyone to 'make the call' is ridiculous and that's what I meant by the phone call means squat except to try and cause problems for Andy.

[meganmonkey]

104. And like a doctor's office could even disclose that info to a random

person on the phone.

I would be awfully pissed if my doctor disclosed my medical plans to a bunch of strangers on the phone.

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[KyndCulture]

131. Go the fuck away. You are a lowlife attention seeker...

fuck you and your expose'.

I am SO angry.

Using this to further your stupid blog.

[EFerrari]

176. They refused to process small donations and there was no

lying to get him in.

I don't see what you're getting out of this.

So, is Andy's cancer a scam or did we lie to JH? You make zero sense.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

181. Maybe because hospitals don't accept random donations unless

a fund has been set up through a 501C3?

[Catherine Vincent]

100. Go away, dickwad!

[JabbatheHutt]

112. I guess you forgot about the HIPPA privacy laws?

BUSTED!

Doctors don't talk to random morons like yourself and release other patients info to you.

(My wife works as a HIPPA data entry specialist and she EVEN won't tell me who's getting what - she understands the law too)

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[Jo March]

171. Oooh! A letter to the JH lawyer!

Well, that proves that you can write a letter. Big freaking deal.

I hope that you learn to use proper grammar before you put this on your blog. Your writing style is pathetic. Well, I guess it matches you and your claims.

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[JabbatheHutt]

173. Several things wrong with your facts

First, HIPPA is paramount to whether or not they release information, it doesn't matter if you're a friend of the insured or some moron who's doing this to get attention, they WILL not release any information to unauthorized person, and to me, you certainly aren't authorized.

Second, you contacted the senior doctor at JHU, because _YOU_ assumed he'll be the one performing the Whipple Procedure. May I remind you that there are a lot of top doctors that can perform the Whipple procedure at JHU?

Thirdly, Andy is as real as you and me. He's not Bev. I'm starting to smell a jealous woman that's getting spurned in favor for Andy.

Sincerely yours,

JtH

(I won't even bother reading your links)

[Bunny]

182. Bev? Is that you?

[katinmn]

89. Bye, Sicko!

[DS1]

93. He's not breaking any rules, per se

[Me.]

120. Actually, I Believe He Is

If I'm correct it's against the rules to call anyone out. And if calling Andy et all liars and thieves isn't that, I don't know what is. And just who is this guy of few posts? Is it possible he is committing fraud and the FBI should be called on him?

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[Samurai_Writer]

162. Idiot...

Even if it WAS a scam, both Amazon and Paypal have 30 day guarantees. So they would not get away with the money, we could request our money back anytime within that 30 days.

Oh, and NO doctor in this country is going to give out Personal Health Information (PHI) on one of their patients. They could lose their license for that.

Like I said before, put up or shut the fuck up.

[Me.]

164. Okey Dokey

You said the FBI had been called...I'll have that number please. Oh and how about YOUR name since you are bandying Andy's around, though I suppose your isp will do.

[merh]

143. He is breaking the rules

He is attacking Andy - personal attacks on fellow DUers is against the rules.

Why the heck are you defending him?

Do you doubt the surgery too?

[DS1]

155. What is this, the Spanish Inquisition?

DO YOU BELIEVE!! *DUNK* :eyes:

[merh]

160. Well quit defending the jerk

maybe if EVERYONE alerts the mods will get him off the thread.

You are such a happy camper - have a nice day. :hug:

[Jo March]

167. Well, unless you count the rules of decency and grammar

I hope this loser learns to spell, use punctuation and proper grammar.

The writing style reminds me of someone... Hmmm. It's so familiar.

[mogster]

90. This post just HAD to be posted, sooner or later

Didn't it?

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[DS1]

105. I would suggest that if you have some "hard" evidence, you should

cease posting until you can provide it in full.

Btw, this habit of bloggers saying they have stuff that will come out in a few hours is really amateurish, and part of the reason why I piss all over bloggers.

[Stephanie]

121. Remind you of anybody?

Activate the eagles!

[DS1]

124. Reminds me of bloggers, they all have the same smell

Some good, some bad, all equally "sensational"

[Jo March]

158. LOL! I was thinking the same thing myself!

Anyone with half a "brian" knows that doctors and hospitals won't give out any patient information. They can be SUED for it.

What an idiot.

[mogster]

108. Cool theory

If you're into destructive stuff.

Tell you what; why don't you post the link to your fabulous Kos-diary, then we can start finding out who you are?

[KyndCulture]

116. Yes please.

Fucking stupid, "just wait until I show you in my Kos Diary"

This guy is a pig and needs to go.

Wow I've never in a year been this mad at a thread on DU.... mrniceguydied is more like mrheadupass and trying to start shit so we'll all click to his stupid diary. Using this thread for personal gain is LOW realllllly fucking low.

[im10ashus]

132. Bev...

...I hear JH has a wonderful psychiatric unit. You may want to take a look and see about getting in. We MIGHT even try to raise the admittance fee for you.

[Samurai_Writer]

138. ROFL!

Best response to this jerk EVER!

[troubleinwinter]

139. Hahahahahahahahaaaaa!!!!

[JabbatheHutt]

149. I pledge a penny!

:woohoo:

[gkhouston]

150. OMG...

you may be on to something...

:rofl:

[KyndCulture]

159. OMG OMG OMG.... that's IT... how SICK. nt.

Oh I hope the mods can make this stop soon...

[Jo March]

178. I'll pledge some $$$ for that!! nt

[crispini]

183. BINGO. You are SO RIGHT!

:hi: Hi Bev!

[meganmonkey]

92. Right. And DU is going to trust you over Andy, Will, sfexpat, etc. etc.

Good luck with that theory. I saw Andy 3 days ago in Ohio. He is NOT a scammer.

Why would you do this?

on edit: Call the doctor's office? It would be illegal for them to tell us whether Andy was scheduled or not.

[Name removed]

102. Deleted message

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[KyndCulture]

106. I think you are lying for your own personal reasons...

Why should anyone trust you when you come in guns blazing claiming it's all a scam.

[JabbatheHutt]

118. Even with 67 posts..

You sure hold a *LOT OF CREDIBILITY*..















































Not.

[EFerrari]

109. LOL! I also have a phonebook full of numbers for doctors who

aren't Andy's doctor.

That's just sort of sad.

[Name removed]

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[Samurai_Writer]

125. Hey, post away buddy...

Let's see this 'evidence' you have. If you can't produce hard evidence, shut the fuck up.

[JabbatheHutt]

129. Put up or shut up.

Provide proof, and I'd love to see the threatening e-mails to you, since nobody's ever heard of you..

Oh, and please provide the headers so I can analyze that it really came from sfexpat2000, not some random person that you just made up.

A lot of people met Andy JUST over the weekend, and they know him to be a real and sincere person, not some scammer.

[DS1]

134. Headers are irrelevant when data is cut-and-pasted

It's as easy to fake those as it is to make the email in the first place.

Same goes for screenshots

[EFerrari]

136. LOL!

[meganmonkey]

111. Find something better to do with your time

I KNOW Andy. I TRUST Andy.

I don't know you from a hole in the wall.

Go away.

[hedda_foil]

148. Too bad that's not Andy's doctor.

Not even close.

[KyndCulture]

96. Mods, admins, folks in the know... what is this scam stuff?

I am getting a queasy feeling in my stomach... can someone please put this to bed and tell me wtf is this scam stuff all about????????????

Is this person trying to start shit with us? I trust Will and Beth and Andy a whole lot more than someone claiming to have called the FBI.


Mods please help before this gets out of control.

[Catherine Vincent]

107. Yes, ignore this jerkoff.

[gkhouston]

137. just some loser stirring the shit

Ignore the jerk.

[qanda]

123. I just called and it the lady said "IT"S A HOAX!"

I have no reason to lie. I have been a part of this community for over three years and now I am concerned that the greatest hoax ever has been perpetrated on DUers.

Call the number yourself. Here's a web address with the number on it http://pathology2.jhu.edu/pancreas/cameron.cfm

Now I see why certain DUers didn't want others to call Johns Hopkins. SHAME, SHAME, SHAME!!!!!

[Catherine Vincent]

135. Why did you call that number?

And what makes you think the person is who you are supposed to talk to?

[qanda]

140. Go to Dr. Cameron's website

The number is right there.

http://pathology2.jhu.edu/pancreas/cameron.cfm

[merh]

163. You can't really believe that you can call a doctor's office for

information on a patient! LOL - especially the wrong doctor.

[Spazito]

166. Why are you giving the name of a Dr. that is NOT

Andy's doctor???

[gkhouston]

169. well, it's one way to guarantee that Andy's not being

treated by them, now isn't it?

[JabbatheHutt]

141. Ever think about the HIPPA privacy laws?

They may not release any informations about a certain person if they are a patient or not. It's protected under HIPPA.

[EFerrari]

142. That is not Andy's doctor. n/t

[JabbatheHutt]

152. BUSTED!!

Good job, sfexpat - I've known Andy for awhile, virtually, and I've seen a lot of shit, but never this bad.

MrNiceGuyDied will eat crow, and lots of it.

Break out the popcorn....

:popcorn:

[EFerrari]

161. At this point, I'd rather talk to the FBI than JH and wish

this whole thing were untrue. :(

[gkhouston]

144. They can't tell you jack shit about a patient because of HIPPA.

Hell, my husband and I have the same doctor and she's circumspect about discussing our health unless we're in the same room.

[erichzann]

151. If it WERE a hoax, he wouldn't be a PATIENT - they can say

..whatever they want in that case.

Again, if it WERE a hoax, which I have no opinion on whatsoever, but choose to believe the best not the worst.

[EFerrari]

156. I asked that if people called Patient Relations that they be civil.

:)

[katinmn]

94. no, this is just an ugly sick loser that snuck in soon to be deleted

[KyndCulture]

101. I think you are right... nt

[Misunderestimator]

113. Ahem... when is that elusive diary of yours supposed to be posted?

And why would you post here first, allowing someone else to get the "scoop" on you... :eyes:

[ET Awful]

153. So let's see, which is it, did you GET a call or did you make a call

you contradict yourself in your own story.

[Name removed]

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[ET Awful]

179. Well, first of all, a lawyer would not call you out of the clear blue

withhout you initiating the communication or without being ordered to by his client. That's not how lawyers operate.

Second, it's doubtful that it would be "a lawyer at Johns Hopkins", as it's rare for hospitals to have attorneys on site, but instead they employ firms to handle their legal matters.

Third, she NEVER said it was Dr. Cameron performing the surgery, you said that, not her.

Fourth, the hospital could not, by law, provide you with any information regarding Andy or any other patient, including whether or not they were a patient, and whether or not they were scheduled for surgery, it is a clear violation of applicable laws for them to do so.

Your sequence of events reveals your dishonesty. Why would an attorney call you, and why would you then call a doctor who has never been mentioned before to confirm?

Sorry, I don't buy a word of it.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

174. Right. Dr Cameron is going to violate HIPPA laws and discuss

this with you.

[merh]

85. It will all work out folks.

Calm down & breath - for god's sake breath!

Let sfexpat deal with the administration and just say your prayers & send good vibes.

IT WILL ALL WORK OUT!!!

NEVER GIVE, UP, NEVER EVER GIVE UP!


:patriot:I DU BELIEVE! :patriot:

[dzika]

170. Listen to Merh and Sfexpat - Everything will be fine...

The hospital doesn't normally have to deal with donations from different sources and organizations like paypal. We all know how badly bureaucracies deal will with unusual situations.

But Andy has something going for him that the average patient doesn't have. He has the blessings, prayers and positive vibes from a community of thousands of us.

Believe it or not, there is not a greater or more irresistible force than that of our focused positive energy and love for Andy. This along with the diligent efforts of our people working with the Hospital will prevail.

I am certain of this beyond a shadow of a doubt.

[Wapsie B]

95. Hospitals today

are so full of administrative red tape it's pathetic. It's not just JH, it's everywhere. People complain about insurance companies and their bureaucracies. Hospitals are the same way with an ever-growing number of white collar workers who don't come within 10 miles of a patient.
This is where our health care dollars are going. This is a real pet peeve of mine. :rant:


I just hope the desk jockies there get it all straightened out so Any can get the care he deserves. God this makes me so ill. We're supposed to be the greatest country in the world and yet we have no right to free healthcare?

Do away with Medicare then.

God's speed Andy.

[Cleita]

133. Another reason for a single payer system.

Andy would have gotten the care he needed from the beginning because the red tape involving layers of billing personnel and mail room snafus wouldn't have been the patient's problem.

We should write to the administrator of John Hopkins to get that mailroom flunky demoted if not fired.

[Wapsie B]

168. I just have to wonder

what the setup is like in Canada or Europe with regards to having all these layers of bureaucracy in hospitals? It can't keep going on like this here.

[Roland99]

130. Damn administrative overhead!!

[gkhouston]

165. Any idea how soon they could re-schedule? n/t

[mogster]

177. OK, folks - relax. It's just some

On edit: MrUnNiceGuy, that is. The Norw Nerds just had too much beer to drink...
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