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KlatooBNikto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-05 10:08 PM
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What is the probability that all the mysterious and untimely deaths
of people occurring on our side of the political spectrum over the years?

Starting with President Kennedy, Robert Kennedy, Martin Luther King,
Mel Carnahan, Paul Wellstone,John Kennedy Jr.,many fine journalists including Hunter Thompson and many more.

I think the chances of these events occurring on just our side are infinitesimally small.
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TheFarseer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-05 10:15 PM
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1. I'm glad I'm not the only one that noticed this
They would probably come back with Strom Thurmond! Yeah, lot's of untimely deaths on our side and none that I can think of on theirs. interesting
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Sawyer Donating Member (131 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-05 10:28 PM
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4. You really can't think of any on their side?
How about Senator Heinz?
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KlatooBNikto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-05 06:39 AM
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6. By today's standards, Sen.Heinz would be considered an anomaly.
A Republican who was logical,thoughtful and fair.What do you know,that is the definition of a Liberal!!
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devilgrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-05 08:43 AM
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21. Wow! Sen. Heinze!
:wow:

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hedda_foil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-05 10:16 PM
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2. Somewhere between infinitesmally small and
NIL! NADA! GOOSE EGG! ZEEERO!
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Enquiringkitty Donating Member (721 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-05 10:16 PM
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3. Those are all people who had the courage to step out of the main
stream and stick their necks out for what they believed. That is always dangerous. This is one reason why so many demos will not speak up .... not due to fear of being voted out.
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Generic Other Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-05 10:49 PM
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5. Well they did lose Strom and Ron
but hardly cut down in their prime.
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deutsey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-05 06:51 AM
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7. I don't know that I would include Thompson (but who knows?)
Danny Casalero was definitely a journalist who was "suicided" because he got too close to the truth.

I think it is beyond credulity to believe that the Kennedys, King, Malcolm X (he was emerging as a true progressive religious leader after his Hadj), Wellstone, Carnahan and others would all be killed by lone nuts and accidents, while, somehow, the rightwing in this country manages to avoid such happenstance.

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Rich Hunt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-05 07:57 AM
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9. two Kennedys

I tend to be a skeptic (which does NOT mean the same as 'non-believer') in these matters, but I must say that two Kennedy assassinations in one decade kind of stinks to me.
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deutsey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-05 08:10 AM
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14. Yes, the two Kennedys and King, IMO
Edited on Wed May-11-05 08:18 AM by deutsey
(especially when you consider how Hoover tried to blackmail King into killing himself).

I also am a skeptic when it comes to conspiracy theories. The right and the left can become pretty deranged in these "theories." However, while I try to stay away from the more speculative stuff, I do see a disturbing pattern in the assassinations of the '60s. When you consider that CIA assassination manual that was found in Nicaragua, in which it recommends neutralizing mass movements by eliminating their leadership, it isn't all that far-fetched. At the very least, it's just the darndest thing how people who can truly threaten the interests of the power structure in this country meet with tragic ends.

Look up Amiram Nir. He could have been a very damaging witness against Reagan et al., during Iran-Contra. Fortunately for them, he died in a helicopter crash before he could testify.
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Sawyer Donating Member (131 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-05 09:03 AM
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22. You're not enough of a sceptic here -
yes, Lee Harvey Oswald is a mysterious figure, with the weird Russian trips etc, but Sirhan Sirhan is pretty straightforward. I have not heard any conspiracy theories attached to that. Have you?
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Cessna Invesco Palin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-05 07:43 AM
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8. Nonsense, sir!
Mel Carnahan, Paul Wellstone, and JFK Jr. died in plane crashes. Thompson shot himself, and I can't see how anyone could believe he was enough of a threat to anyone (other than himself) to warrant assasination.

As for this nonsense about the plane crashes, try this:
http://archives.cnn.com/2002/ALLPOLITICS/10/25/politicians.plane.crashes/

If you want, I can also point you to the list of all the people the looney freeper jackasses think Clinton killed.
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KlatooBNikto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-05 08:00 AM
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10. Individually what you say may make sense. Taken collectively,over
a long period of time, statistics tells us that the probability of these events occurring on only one side of the spectrum is infinitesimally small.
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Cessna Invesco Palin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-05 08:02 AM
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11. Did you look at the link?
There are lots of dead republicans, too. From plane crashes. In fact, there are a surprisingly large number of dead famous people, college basketball teams, and businesspeople who are dead because of small plane crashes. I'm simply making the point that the OP indicates only democrats who've died in small plane crashes, when in fact a great many politicians from both parties have.
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KlatooBNikto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-05 08:11 AM
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15. I was not talking about plane crashes that all of us have had to
confront in one form or another in our ordinary lives. I am talking about politically active people who have died under mysterious circumstances in the prime of their lives. When you include those caveats the probability I talk about becomes vanishingly small.
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Cessna Invesco Palin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-05 08:32 AM
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18. You cite three assasinations and a bunch of plane crashes.
And the three assasinations you cite all took place over 30 years ago. The fact that you believe small plane crashes count as "mysterious circumstances" is what I'm getting at. It's not mysterious at all. It's actually a fairly common occurance.

If you want to talk about assasinations, then you should probably also include the attempted assassinations of Reagan and Bush Sr. There have been assasination attempts on just about every president. Some are successful. Most are not. If you want my opinion, I think it's more likely for people on the left to get assasinated, but that's just because the people on the right have all the truly whacked-out gun nuts. And that isn't a conspiracy.
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KlatooBNikto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-05 08:39 AM
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20. The science of probability is far more rigorous than you give it credit
for.One can narrow down the probability window by incorporating the times, the people, their beliefs,the level of threat they posed to the established order and winnow it to a point where the events we have looked at could not been due to chance alone.
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Cessna Invesco Palin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-05 09:53 AM
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23. Ok.
I'm done here. This is silly.
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SouthernDem2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-05 08:03 AM
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12. You are forgeting alot of (R)s that died. Like the great tree assasination
of Sonny Bono...

Then there was President Garfield... The list could go on...

Alcoa thanks you for your concern.
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-05 08:10 AM
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13. Our side is just as guilty
Edited on Wed May-11-05 08:10 AM by Freddie Stubbs
http://etherzone.com/body.html

Perhaps Clinton had a secret deal with the Republicans in Congress not to go after him for his murders and he would remain silent. ;)
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ck4829 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-05 08:37 AM
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19. Wait, hold on
Even though you are being sarcastic.

Susan Coleman: Rumors were circulating in Arkansas of an affair with Bill Clinton. She was found dead with a gunshot wound to the head at 7 1/2 months pregnant. Death was an apparent suicide. (RW'ers killed her)

Kevin Ives & Don Henry: Initial cause of death was reported to be the result of falling asleep on a railroad track in Arkansas on August 23, 1987. This ruling was reported by the State medical examiner Fahmy Malak. Later it was determined that Kevin died from a crushed skull prior to being placed on the tracks. Don had been stabbed in the back. Rumors indicate that they might have stumbled upon a Mena drug operation. (RW'ers, they were the ones who used Mena to run drugs)

Keith Coney: Keith had information on the Ives/Henry deaths. Died in a motorcycle accident in July 1988 with unconfirmed reports of a high speed car chase. (See above)

Keith McKaskle: McKaskle has information on the Ives/Henry deaths. He was stabbed to death in November 1988. (See above)

Gregory Collins: Greg had information on the Ives/Henry deaths. He died from a gunshot wound to the face in January 1989.

Jeff Rhodes: He had information on the deaths of Ives, Henry & McKaskle. His burned body was found in a trash dump in April 1989. He died of a gunshot wound to the head and there was some body mutilation, leading to the probably speculation that he was tortured prior to being killed.

James Milam: Milam had information on the Ives & Henry deaths. He was decapitated. The state Medical examiner, Fahmy Malak, initially ruled death due to natural causes.

Richard Winters: Winters was a suspect in the deaths of Ives & Henry. He was killed in a "robbery" in July 1989 which was subsequently proven to be a setup.

Jordan Kettleson: Kettleson had information on the Ives & Henry deaths. He was found shot to death in the front seat of his pickup in June 1990.

(See above, Bush and North used Mena to run drugs)

Danny Casalaro: Danny was a free-lance reporter and writer who was investigating the "October Surprise", INSLAW and BCCI. Danny was found dead in a bathtub in a Sheraton Hotel room in Martinsburg, West Virginia. Danny was staying at the hotel while keeping appointments in the DC area pertinent to his investigation. He was found with his wrists slashed. At least one, and possibly both of his wrists were cut 10 times. All of his research materials were missing and have never been recovered. (Too close to the RW, that is)

Vincent Foster: A White House deputy counsel and long-time personal friend of Bill and Hillary's. Found on July 20, 1993, dead of a gunshot wound to the mouth -- a death ruled suicide. Many different theories on this case! Readers are encouraged to read our report in Strange Deaths. (Scaife did it)

Notice, that no Conservatives died. The people who died were people who witnessed Drug Operations or worked for Clinton, these deaths benefited the RW more than it did Clinton, so I am accusing them of murder.
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-05 08:22 AM
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16. I'll go you one further...
Edited on Wed May-11-05 08:23 AM by sendero
... I think the deaths of Jimi, Janis and Jim are equally unlikely.

Oh, and don't forget Marilyn.
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KlatooBNikto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-05 08:25 AM
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17. John Lennon.
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