Bolton Nomination Thread#3 - Dodd thanks Voinovich for a Senatorial moment

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http://www.c-span.org/watch/cspan3_wm.asp?Cat=TV&Code=CS3

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#2: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3643447

#1: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=3643066&mesg_id=3643066

[sabra]

1. Dodd to Voinovich, "I know it's hard, I have been there before"

gives him props for speaking up...

[sabra]

2. Dodd starting to get a little revved up on Boltons actions...

[caligirl]

3. And Lugar just sits there with ear plugs, Can't put the country first.

[napi21]

5. You don't REALLY think a committee Chair is gonna go against his

Party or his President, do you?

Actually, although I never agree with Lugar, he's not on my list of worst Pubs.

[caligirl]

11. No I stopped believing in fairy tales. Just a stray idealistic hope.

[caligirl]

15. Hey fairy tales can come true, can't they?

[5thGenDemocrat]

68. Hey -- if Frank said it, I believe it

Scooby Dooby DU. Just swing, baby.
John
It is now 36 days, 21 hours and 51 minutes to FUNDAY. Sinatra will be on the playlist.

[FreedomAngel82]

75. Only when you wish upon a star

;)

[Penndems]

22. Hell, no - it's not what's best for the American people with them

it is -- and always WILL be with them -- what's best for the Republican Party.

[CBHagman]

43. This has killed any respect I had for Lugar.

Some months back I recall hearing that the White House PUNISHED Lugar for not toeing their particular line on some matter. I forget what it was. But the sheer hubris and vindictiveness of this administration boggles the mind, and the fact that they went after a respected committee chairman is particularly disgusting.

But instead of showing backbone and impartiality -- hell, COMPETENCE -- Lugar joins in the "best man for the job" chorus being sung by Smirkus Maximus and his followers. Surely he must have some sense of the danger the country and the world are in due to the shortsighted, spendthrift, incompetent Bush administration. I guess party comes first, and to hell with human lives.

[housewolf]

12. Dodd recommends that it end here

if the committee can't recommend Bolton, let's end it here rather than take it to the floor for a long debate, let's invoite the president to send us a new nominee, there are LOTS of good people who could do the job.

[BrainRants]

4. Lugar is just sitting there breathing through his mouth.

Asshat.

[Solly Mack]

6. Chafee speaks

I don't think Congress realizes just what a tinder box America has become. (that's me, no Chafee)

[housewolf]

7. Chaffe expressing concerns n/t

[Sydnie]

9. But taking Bolton on his talking points

Damn it! Says he will support Bolton! Bastard!

[alcibiades_mystery]

8. Chaffee reading his Rove-transcript

And doing so badly.

What a bagiagaloop.

[Walt Starr]

18. Chaffee MUST BE OPPOSED STRONGLY!!!

Let's pick up the bastard's seat!

[Solly Mack]

10. Chafee proves his worth....worthless

[Solly Mack]

13. Kerry's up

[sabra]

16. seems kinda tired?

[Solly Mack]

17. Yes, he does appear tired

[housewolf]

19. Sounds like he has a bad cold n/t

[sabra]

14. Oh well?

[Solly Mack]

20. It was expected, yes

sigh

[spanone]

26. How did Kerry vote???

On edit, I guess the 'discussion' is still going on...

[Solly Mack]

27. He's still speaking

[spooky3]

47. I hope the Rhode Island voters kick him to the curb.

[sabra]

21. Kerry to Voinovich, "it's hard saying something nice about him(Bolton)"

[housewolf]

23. This is great!

Introducing Bolton - "here's Mr. Bolton, is he sitting on one of the floors he wanted to eliminate?"

[sabra]

24. that was a good one!

[housewolf]

25. Bolton's history leaves people wondering whether

he is speaking for himself or for the administration

[housewolf]

28. Jean Kirkpatrick said that Bolton was NOT a diplomat

said he loves to tussle, may do diplomatic jobs for the US government but is NOT a diplomat

[housewolf]

29. Most serious issue - Bolton's credibility before the committee

What he said about Westerman WAS NOT true, he wanted him removed and that's not what he told the committee. The issue went on for months and that's not what he told the committee.

also not candid about another issue - steps to remove NIO for 4 months, he told the committee he had 1 conversations 1 time with 1 person.

Told Committee Amb. Hubbard approved his speechh - not true

Will he be believable at the UN? You don't begin by not being candid with the committee when under oath.

[housewolf]

31. "It should end here" - Kerry

an extended debate in the full senate will further erode Bolton's credibility at the UN

[Justitia]

36. Kerry was very good. Said a full floor vote would not be good for Bolton

that the full senate debate over him would not get any better for Bolton. I took that as a caution to the other side, i.e. "Do you really want to split this wide open, on the public record?"

He also asked if it is okay to flat out lie to a congressional committee?

These republicans have absolutely NO INTEGRITY WHATSOEVER.

We all knew this of course, but it is still somewhat of a shock to see actual human beings parade their serious character deficits on national TV. I still am amazed that any of them can sleep at night.

Guess that abundance of conscience is what makes me their opposite.

[sabra]

30. Kerry, "a debate on the floor will not improve Boltons standings"

want's it to end here!

[Toucano]

33. Excellent point.

Translation: get ready for it to get even dirtier if he's passed on to the Sennate floor.

[Itsthetruth]

39. That Would Be A Good Thing

""Kerry, "a debate on the floor will not improve Boltons standings""

That would be good, not bad! Let Bolton's standings fall! Let the debate proceed and Senators vote on this nomination.

Perhaps some are worried that some Democratic Senators will vote for Bolton. Can Senators filibuster against the nomination?

[Solly Mack]

32. Ick...it's Coleman

[sabra]

34. ick indeed!

[Solly Mack]

35. News reports thus far (for today's monologue-fest)

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000103&sid=a0tohM9O5Htw&refer=us


http://www.nytimes.com/2005/05/12/politics/12cnd-intel.html?hp


http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/05/12/senate.bolton/

[housewolf]

38. Coleman criticizing the process

saying that the process is wrong for examining all the information that's come forward

Says that all the charges are false, Bolton is a strong leader, cites Bolton supporters, Townsel charges false

Repeats Allen's talking point - "it's about UN reform"

Says Jean Kirkpatrick supports John Bolton, says she was UN ambassador before all the scandals and UN corruption was exposed (I guess implying that what she said before doesn't count now)

[Solly Mack]

40. Coleman's a maggot that somehow grew legs

[housewolf]

41. The president has a right to name his own team

he says that there is no evidence against wrong-doing by Bolton, Bolton is the best chance to clean up the UN, there is nothing here to indicate that Bolton would not do the job well.


Ugh....

[KamaAina]

71. "clean up the UN"?

Funny, I must have missed the clause in the UN charter that specifies that the U.S. is responsible for "cleaning up" the world body.

Coleman: 99% worse than Wellstone!

[Solly Mack]

37. Coleman: he's framing the concern over Bolton as something that

would prevent good people from coming forth to serve their country...

a "chilling effect" was his words

(barf)

[sabra]

42. Feingold time, and he votes NO!

[sabra]

44. He can not support the nomination!

[spooky3]

46. very articulate; said people have said Bolton is very bright but Feingold

doesn't see it--he sees a bean counter who isn't looking beyond the beans (something like that).

[sabra]

45. Hagel time.

[housewolf]

50. This commitee should not be about partisan politics

our UN ambassador is the face we present to the world

It's patently false that "if you're against Bolton you're against UN reform"

But Hagel's going to take the president, Rice and Bolton at their word - that Bolton will be a uniter, not a divider



Hagel's going to disappoint us, too

[sabra]

48. Hagel has concerns...

[emulatorloo]

51. but takes condi and bush and bolton "at their word" that are uniters

DOH!

[spuddonna]

49. Hagel:"I take the President at his word...Condi at her word..."

Which word would that be? Yo mean the LYING words? Oh... yeah, sure...

You go be a "uniter" Mr. Bolton. Don't forget to take some extra office supplies to throw at the UN rep from North Korea!!

edited because I can't type fast when i'm pissed off!

[housewolf]

52. He's going to disappoint us too

I thought we had a chance with him - this is disappointing

[sabra]

54. Seemed very reluctant, but he did...

[Skip Intro]

57. ya mean like "He's got 'em" - bush on saddam's WMD

that tens and tens of thousands have and are dying for - those words?

[spuddonna]

53. Go Boxer!!

Let's hear some common sense!!

[CornField]

56. Someone needs to say something honest and true

My head is hurting after Hagel

[Solly Mack]

55. Hagel is riding that GOP jock hard

"I take him (Bolton) at his word" (that seems to be the catch phrase of the day)

also, he trust Bush and Rice

he's quoting Friedmans new book - agrees with it.

At least he knows it's over 1600 dead in Iraq

now he's claiming he's doing what's right for the country...not his party.

Naturally he'll support the President's nomination

LMAO...

[sabra]

58. Checked Coleman big time about his, "there was an election comment"

[spuddonna]

59. Thank you, Barbara!!

Calling them on the DoS holding the docs back...

[emulatorloo]

60. Kool - Boxer has a big chart of BOLTON'S LIES to the committee

Must See TV

[im10ashus]

61. Go Barbara! n/t

[spuddonna]

62. Geez, what does it take to NOT nominate a Repugnican?!

The guy lied, he's a bully, he's an abuser... and this is the ONLY guy they can find to represent us at the UN?!!

Like Barbara said, it doesn't matter... they want a fight...nothing would stop them...

Boxer:"You see my distinguished fellow Senators, that we have actual video footage of Mr. Bolton practicing cannibalism... How can we nominate this man!?"

Coleman: "It's only an arm! It's merely a flesh wound! I vote to Recommend!!"

[emulatorloo]

63. Bush wants a fight -- he's gonna get one. . .EXCELLENT BB EOM

[OKthatsIT]

67. "AMERICANS ARE GOING TO FIGHT"

God, love her!!

[spooky3]

64. Lamar is trivializing the charges into "bad manners."

and we've all been guilty of that, bla bla.

[Poiuyt]

65. What do you think Bolton's chances are if this reaches the full Senate?

[spuddonna]

66. So, Lamar Alexander thinks that harassment is being 'rude'...

That's precious...

I think his viewpoint on 'how he was rude' to his staff under him is a prime example of how Repugnicans view their position in business and govt. People under you are to be used and abused, and the supervisor/manager has every right to harass and fire or transfer those people, they afterall, are 'underlings', and are only there to support the important people: the managers & supervisors...

[sabra]

69. thread4 here

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3645031

[spuddonna]

70. Obama is hitting good points...

Hitting Bolton's 'qualifications'... awesome!

"Under Mr. Bolton's watch there are no cameras in North Korea... they have developed 6-8 nuclear weapons under his watch...That's not a record I'm wildly impressed with..."

[Norquist Nemesis]

72. Yeah, baby!

I've been wringing my hands over Obama's votes (Condi, etc.).

But looks like he's standing up on this one! He's going through his "competence" levels one by one!

[Chomp]

73. This is the first time I've seen Obama at length.

He is very, very good. This guy has a serious shot a Prez some day (and I've only been watching him for 10 minutes!).

[Nevernose]

74. No way

Some redneck asshole will kill him before then -- he's too good and too black for the fearful and the hate-filled to tolerate.

When I saw him here in Vegas last October, Harry Reid was able to walk around and shake hands; Barak Obama, except for when he was actually giving his speech, was covered in big, bullet-proof vest wearing bodyguards. It was really kind of sad...

[kerry-is-my-prez]

76. I think he'll make a fool of himself and will bite Bush & Co in the ass.

n/t