What really happened with the plane scare incident on 5/11....

[whistle]

...I briefly heard on CBS news tonight that there were new developments, but have not heard anthing else. Why were the pilots not charged?

[kikiek]

1. I heard on one broadcast that the pilot had campaigned for Bush.

He would have lost his license and had the book thrown at him otherwise.

[MindPilot]

4. Bush sure seems to attract a lot of

bad piloting, doesn't he?

[kikiek]

8. Yeah said the maps were outdated, but I heard the airspace hadn't

changed much if at all. I heard he was right by the VP's residence. Typical Bush supporter laws apply to other people and stupid. That is redundent..Bush supporter and stupid.

[FreedomAngel82]

15. Yep

What's weird to me is he wasn't briefed or taken to safety or anything. What if we really were under attack? Does he go bike riding every day at that time in Maryland? Or was that day special?

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

6. He probably will lose his license, or at least get it suspended.

But FAA proceedings are entirely separate from criminal prosecution. The US Attorney's office (not the FAA; their jurisdiction is civil, not criminal) can't prosecute him for a crime if they can't prove specific intent beyond a reasonable doubt -- that is, that he intended to enter restricted airspace. If he did it accidentally because he got lost, he didn't commit a crime. The FAA, however, can, and probably will, commence a certificate action against him, but they have six months to do it.. They can suspend or revoke his pilot certificate, or fine him, if they can prove by a preponderance of the evidence that he violated restricted airpace, no matter whether it was accidental or inadvertent. You damn betcha the FAA is going to come after his license. But he won't be prosecuted for a crime if the US attorney can't prove he intended to do what he did.

[kikiek]

9. He better. He would if he were a known democrat.

[MindPilot]

2. I would guess because they didn't commit a crime

as far as know accidentally busting restricted airspace is not a criminal act. Responsibility also lies with the controllers since they were flying in positively controlled airspace, radar should've vectored the Cessna away from the restricted area. If they lost radio contact--which was the story I heard--no one can really be charged with anything. There may have been an equipment violation which would go back to the owner of the aircraft but, still no crime.

Just pure speculation on my part.

[blurbyMCchazbotz]

3. FAA

Keep in mind that any legal action is entirely separate from any FAA action against the PIC.

[kikiek]

5. I heard they could lose their license and be fined 1100 dollars for each

infraction like not responding to attempts to contact them, flying in the airspace. Several were named. It sounded like they could go as far as they wanted to with it. I later heard they weren't going to be charged whatever that meant.

[FreedomAngel82]

16. Something I'm wondering

is how could they not know where they were?? Can't you see the white house a hundred yards away? Did they not know the rule or what? I just think this whole thing is fishy.

[dbeach]

7. ever notice how the number 11 keeps a coming up??

9/11/01
3/11/04
5/11/05

MAYBE this was an aborted mission??

[blurbyMCchazbotz]

10. No.

Aborted mission? Not a chance. There's barely enough room for two people to sit in a Cessna 152, to say nothing of how hard it would be to fit any "sinister baggage" on board. This was just two dumbasses trying to get to an airshow. Lets save the conspiracy theories for a "real" one.

[dbeach]

11. my emphasis was on number 11

my other comment about aborted mission was a lil flip on my part and just talkin aloud here in the last moments of freedom of speech before the busheviks remove that. Scout planes are used in many military missions...and do not fire a shot.

one of those Dumbs' was a former bush backer..

'not a chance" is a very final statement
These criminals have an MO of planning well and carrying out plans..also of seizing whatever opportunities are presented..

They have layers of cover or conspiracy or whatever to hide their sinister agenda..

BUT if ya read this far..READ about this trigger nummber .


"The Number 11 Mysteriously Dominates the Events of
the September 11, 2001 Terrorist Attacks in the USA.

The Number 11
Editor's Comments
©September11News.com

The number 11 has been linked to mystery and power since ancient times. All forms of number research and
study, including Numerology, the ancient science of Gematria, and the secret wisdom of Kabbalah, all give
significant importance to 11, and 11 derivatives - 22, 33, 44, 55, 66, 77, 88, and 99.

The number 11 is considered a master number.

The first Great War, World War 1, ended on the 11th hour, of the 11th day, of the 11th month. To this day,
victims and veterans are remembered at that specific time. In Tolkein's The Lord of the Rings, the number 11
is described as a curious number, and reaching your 111th birthday is an event. The USA skipped sequence
numbers on the Apollo moon missions to ensure it was Apollo 11 that landed on the moon. In ancient Egypt
King Tutankhamen's tomb had combinations of 11 in the jewelry he wore, and he had 11 oars placed on the
floor surrounding his tomb. The number 11, and particularly the number 33, have significance to Freemasons,
and other secretive groups.

In addition, there have been thousands of people worldwide who have recently expressed a strong feeling
towards 11. This has been widely reported for the last 5-10 years, and is now commonly referred to as
the 11:11 experience, referring to the time of 11:11.

The overwhelming quantity of elevens, surfacing from the events, people, and places related to the 9-11-2001
attacks, is remarkable. It is as if someone planned the events to occur around the number eleven. If it was
not planned, then the coincidence of the numbers, seems even more mysterious and improbable.

We have also found an 11-year cycle in Osama bin Laden's life. The life changing events occur every 11
years, when bin Laden is 11, 22, 33, and 44.

We have uncovered several patterns of elevens that have occurred before, during, and after the attacks.


The Dates
The date of the attack: 9/11 - 9 + 1 + 1 = 11.
September 11 has 9 letters and 2 numbers: 9+2=11.
The number 911 is the telephone number for emergencies in North America.
September 11th is the 254th day of the year: 2 + 5 + 4 = 11.
After September 11th there are 111 days left to the end of the year.
March 11, 2002, marked 6 months since the attack, and fell in the 11th week of 2002.
On March 11, 2002, New York City lit the sky with 88 (8 x 11 = 88) powerful GE bulbs that sent light beams
into the sky from the World Trade Center site. The next morning, on March 12, 2002, 11 FDNY firemen
were recovered from Ground Zero.

New York City - 11 Letters Flight AA11 & The Target "

[FreedomAngel82]

18. Interesting

So maybe they do have something with that number. I remember reading how Hitler used witchcraft too.

[dbeach]

21. herr hitler lied astrology

BUT he also liked the occult and according to a recent docu..was trying to channel some connctions to the occult and christian beliefs..hitler was no christian BUT Germany was a heavily Catholic and Protestant nation..
Raiders of the Lost Arc is borrowed from Nazi world searches for the Arc or Chalice or any object that would bring them a war time advantage..

[dbeach]

22. OOPS I mean Herr hitler liked the occult..

over 100,000 hits on google regarding hitler and the occult..

http://www.remember.org/6/hitler-and-the-occult.html

"Hitler founded an occult-based movement using Magical and Esoteric practices.
... Hitler and the Nazis - an Occult Order using Ancient Esoteric Knowledge and Practices.... in 1933. Most occult leaders believed Hitler was The Great One. The Nazi sacred symbols ... "

[Must_B_Free]

24. that stuff is all BS

my wife and I have always marked the time 11:11 for at least 10 years now. Its a special number because it is represented as four lines.

[Henny Penny]

25. I've never heard of people marking the time 11.11

but always thought that timing of the armistice in WW1 was strange. Clearly those who organised it thought it sounded good or something and who's to say that it wasn't because they were all masons or something.

What do you mean by "marking" btw- stopping for a cup of tea ?

[whistle]

12. 3/11/04 what happened for those of us who don't remember....

MADRID BOMBING

March 11, 2004

At least 190 people were killed when a series of bombs exploded in Madrid, Spain today. Ray Suarez discusses the situation with Michael Radu, chairman of the Center on Terrorism and Counter-terrorism at the Foreign Policy Research and Institute, and Richard Gardner, former U.S. ambassador to Spain under President Clinton.

[dbeach]

13. BBC is now saying 191 were killed in Madrid on 3/11/04

191 is easily rearranged as 911..
How do they get these numbers??

My point is that the number 11 is constantly appearing...


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4485227.stm

Madrid bombing suspect in court

The Madrid bombing killed 191 people in March 2004
A man accused of involvement in the Madrid bombing that killed 191 people has appeared in a London court.
Moutaz Almallah Dabas, 39, was arrested last month in Slough on an extradition warrant issued by Spanish authorities.

[blurbyMCchazbotz]

14. Come on

Lets save the conspiracy theories for a "real" one.

EDIT: How many hours in a C152 do YOU have, anyway? I love it when people with zero experience/knowledge in the subject area make comments completely out of their ass.

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[Henny Penny]

23. don't be such a kiljoy Blurby...

How about George W Bush... 11 letters! ;-)

[ConfuZed]

17. What is it about the 11th of the month...

Seems like these things have a habit of happening on the 11th.

[dbeach]

20. Thank you.

"Seems like these things have a habit of happening on the 11th."

Why it is a repeating number regarding 9/11?
Did the perps include the many 11 refernces as side issues or is it coincidence or is it a significant number regarding these criminal elites...??

I DUNNO just thinking aloud...
criminals repeat similar crimes..like serial killers..

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[dbeach]

27. I don't know about that!

You are again insulting me..MEDS is really something that you could consider yourself..lots of folks take and benefit from meds.

I would recommend some-anti depressents for that inner rage whuch you are attempting to object relate onto me.


Aborted mission was a flip comment thats all..

waste your time swapping insults..go ahead I knew your type could not resist..You mistake my openess for weakness..GET a life tough guy

taking shots at some stranger from your protected zone very powerful


Very repuke of ya to insult and shout down anything that you find off the mark

join
the Army...takes ther fight right out of you

Mr. 10 comments

Are you a police agent?

You seem to have so many nifty anwswers BUT your primary defense is insults...

VERY welcome to you...

Another shot at me..whats the charge this time??

off my meds..???..displease you?


GET A LIFE!