OMG! Woodward just speculated on

[babylonsister]

Chris Matthews' Sunday show that Cheney could be a dark horse candidate for '08. :wow: Please reassure me that won't happen!

[Sabriel]

1. Um, which Cheney?

The wife or the daughter? I can't see ol' Dick being around for that long.

[AntiCoup2K4]

25. Actually, I'd love to see the repukes run Mary Cheney as their candidate.

They would have to re-write their entire fucking platform.

[lostnfound]

2. Bring it on. He's unelectable, that's Bush's raison d'etre

Now, the chances of him dissolving the republic and declaring himself dictator is a whole other story.

[bush_is_wacko]

12. He may be unelectable but that doesn't mean he isn't "selectable"

Let's face it, we didn't elect the man currently in office and unless we can get these men out of power and fix our elections systems WE won't be electing the next president anyway.

I wish I could believe otherwise but that would be simply ignorant. I have expected for a long time that Cheney has his eyes on the presidency and believe me, Bush, Rummy, Wolfowits and many others would like nothing better. As time goes on the bunch of them become more and more delusional and by the time 08 comes around there will likely be no pretense at all of giving a $#!t what the American public wants. They will make sure the American public fears the "terrorists" enough to believe enough Americans want Cheney in office to match the results of his "election". They have been very successful IMO at pitting Americans against each other and unless Americans wake up and smell the rhetoric they'll do it again.

[Flying Dream Blues]

37. I agree re: "selection" vs. Election

and it scares me. However, I think it would defy logic for Cheney and his bad ticker to lead the ticket in 4 years. My theory is they'll put the other Bushlet in there, with Uncle Dick to keep him company.

As you say, we may not elect them, but they have to at least "look" electable so the sheeple can believe it.

[DemBeans]

3. I saw that too, and gagged

Looks like Woodward was sending up a trial balloon for Cheney - but haven't Cheney's approval ratings been hovering around 30% for years? I'm not sure they can steal another election with numbers like that.

[Mika]

11. WOW! Cheney's numbers are that good? n/t

:puke:

[Eric J in MN]

30. The American public didn't do anything about the last 2 stolen

elections.

The Repbulicans can get away with stealing as many elections as they want.

[Flammable Materials]

39. I agree with you.

They could make Neil Bush our next president and this country wouldn't give a shit.

[WI_DEM]

4. I think it would be the best thing in the world

Cheney is not an appealing public figure. He is the "Wizard" behind Bush, yes, but he is behind the scenes for a reason. I doubt he could win the election on his own. He would be alot easier to defeat than somebody like McCain, Giulani, or Hagel. After 8 years of Bush-Cheney--people will not vote for Cheney alone.

[Eric J in MN]

33. The Republicans could run "Swift Boat Trial Lawyers for Truth" ads

against John Edwards or "Swift Boat Feminists for Truth" ads against Hillary Clinton or "Swift Boat Montanans for Truth" ads against Brian Schweitzer."

And Chris Matthews would interview them on "Hardball."

[MessiahRp]

5. LMAO

He'd be their version of Mondale or McGovern if he ran. We'd win every state minus Wyoming against him.

Rp

[Zan_of_Texas]

7. Heh. They could run Snidely Whiplash and win with their damn machines.

Cheney though? He'd have to make a few campaign appearances and leave his undisclosed location. Doesn't seem like something he'd want to do.

[AntiCoup2K4]

27. Snidely Whiplash was a bleeding heart liberal next to these bastards.

Shit, I'd vote for Darth Vader over the BCE/PNAC team. At least you know, deep down, there's still some good in him.

[wakemeupwhenitsover]

6. consider yourself reassured

it won't happen. First, cheney is dislike intensely by moderates. They'll never vote for him & candidates have to pick up some moderates. Women do not like cheney. For some unknown reason, dumbya picked up quite a few moderates & women. Second, cheney will probably go back to the private sector & soak up a few more billion. For these guys there is never enough money to be made.

I just do not see it happening. But, I wonder if he'll step down & dumbya will appoint someone else as veep. A president spends the first term securing his second term & spends the second term securing it for the veep. If cheney's out (& I honestly think he is, though I want to hear other opinions) who are they going to groom for '08.

BTW, I think this is one area the repugs do way better than us. They seem to groom the next generation while sometimes I think we just stand around hoping for the golden boy or girl to magically appear.

best

[NV Whino]

26. I agree with you

I think Condi's good for an appointment. She couldn't win on her own. Other than that, I think Hagel's the man.

[wakemeupwhenitsover]

28. I just don't get it.

I honestly think cheney's totally unelectable & I'm waiting for him to step down. I agree that condi might get it or hagel, but hasn't hagel stepped away from the company line? dumbya, like babs, is all about loyalty.

If cheney doesn't step down in the next year or 18 months & actually finishes out the term I won't know what to think.

[NV Whino]

42. I think Hagel's trying

to balance out the total wackos and bring back the moderates. And closer to 2008 the neocons might latch on to him. At the moment, I think he's working on his own.

[ruggerson]

32. I don't think it's the moderates

who are the problem for Cheney so much.

I think the religious rightwingers would be very suspicious of him, because he is not a born again - he is a Neo Con.

He doesn't support their anti-gay amendment to the constitution. They like him as Veep, but enough of them would stay home if he ran for Prez to cause the GOP some serious problems.

[KharmaTrain]

8. Sounds Like A Punt...

Never say never with Unka Dick. Remember, he chose himself VP :sarcasm: since he couldn't find anyone better...why wouldn't this be the scenario of 2008 if no one else emerges?

Right now, there's some glitches on the golden road for some of the GOOPs biggest names. Frist is currently committing moderate suicide in whole whoring to the fundies and wingnuts. That could do well in the primaries, but this dude creeps people in a way Bunnypants doesn't. McCain has the fundies and wingnuts very suspect and there's not enough moderates in the primaries to push him forward...but he'd hurt anyone along the way, just like he did to Bunnypants. There's Jebbie...still stuck in the Schaivo mess...coming off too radical for the moderates and too moderate for the radicals. Plus you've got doofus' like Gingrich making noise...and what you have is the recipe for mass confusion for the GOOP in 2008. Or so it would appear.

That could be when Unka Dick comes to the rescue.

[DemBeans]

19. or maybe there's another reason -

I wonder if Unka Dick is sending up this trial balloon via his flunky Woodward because he knows the enormity of crimes committed by this administration. If a Democrat wins in 2008 - prison. He's probably getting worried by McCain's polling numbers for 2008 and knows that prison is a likely outcome should McCain win the GOP nomination and the general. If Cheney runs, it will be for no reason other than to continue to cover up the criminal activity of the junta.

[KharmaTrain]

23. He Wants To Play Kingmaker

I agree that Woodward is being used as a puppet for Unka Dick, but for different reasons.

I don't think he really thinks/cares about war crimes and feels what he's done is "patriotic". Also, this country would be torn to shreads by any South African style "Truth and Reconciliation" council to examine this invasion. I highly doubt any Democrat would sign on to this. If there are crimes to be investigated, personally, I believe this should start from the Hague.

These people view the Democrats as easily beatable in many ways and thus this is purely an in-house game being played. Methinks Unka Dick isn't too hot on Frist hogging all the chatter these days and wants to mix things up. I'm sure he did the same thing with floating Condi's name several months back. It gave shelter to other things going on. The typical Chenney modus operendi.

[Wright Patman]

9. Bob Woodward

has never been what he appears to be. He has been a poster boy for "Operation Mockingbird" from the first day he went to work for the WaPo after "leaving" Naval Intelligence.

We now know he never "left" and has been a strategic mouthpiece for a major D.C. power bloc ever since that time. The man has forever discredited "journalism" in my mind.

It is a shame that Robert Redford, who genuinely appears to be a "good guy" both on and off screen, is associated with this person through his portrayal in "All the President's Men."

[nittygritty]

14. Woodward's a sell-out.

He's been glamorizing * in his books and articles ever since 9/11.

[suziedemocrat]

16. This is one of the more interesting things I've read on DU.

Before I came to DU - I had no idea Woodward was in Naval Intelligence - and I didn't think it was odd that soon after he got his first news job at the WaPo - he had a well informed source feeding him information on Watergate. I'd like to read a book about this! Some people have also speculated that perhaps Bush, Sr. may have been deep throat. I'd really like to know more about this.

BTW - every time I make a phone call lately - I hear many loud click on the line. My family thinks I'm being "watched" because I come to DU. Is this totally paranoid - or not? I don't even post here that often - and I certainly don't have any useful information - I come here to learn.

[jimshoes]

22. Say hello to Agent Mike

while you're here. I understand it's his full time gig here at DU. Hi Agent Mike. :hi:

[Nay]

24. That was in the old days. Now, when they tap your line, you'll

never know.

[satya]

10. He's too busy running the show to run for office. They'll put up another

candidate who appeals to their "base", but the PNAC guys will still be pulling the strings.

[CoffeeAnnan]

13. So long as they control how votes are counted, why not?

[ElsewheresDaughter]

15. his heart condition will disqualify him ...not to worry

[Media_Lies_Daily]

21. Why didn't it disqualify him prior to the 2000 "elections"....

...when he had not yet had his pacemaker installed?

[Horse with no Name]

17. Probably just getting everyone's fear up at Dicky being the

nomination, so when they release the name of a viable candidate, their party will rally around.
It's kind of like, "If you keep doing that, I'll tell your Father when he gets home", cept in this instance, Cheney is the abusive father who gets off on whaling on the kids.

[lonestarnot]

18. Dick is in the dirt... especially after a few more evacuations...LOL

[Media_Lies_Daily]

20. As long as the NeoCons control the voting machines, the software....

...used by the voting machines, and the tabulation results, the GOP could run Ronald MacDonald and "win" by a comfortable margin.

Besides, did anyone really think Herr Busch was our fearless leader?

[Zan_of_Texas]

36. Heh. see post #7

[sendero]

29. Nothing..

.... would make me happier. He'd be easy.

[JoeJost]

31. I saw that too. . .

I was only mildly shocked that Woodward would engage is such worthless speculation- as mentioned he's certainly been happy to regurgitate the BushCo company-line about 9/11 and Iraq. .


But who was that little witch sitting next to him? I swear she looked like the possibility of Cheney running in '08 was the greatest, most glorious idea she'd ever heard. . . she got those huge "Runaway Bride" eyes and was practically drooling in ecstasy over Woodwards asinine comments.


I have no clue who she is, but based on what I saw I'm guessing she's part of CNN's recent attempt at total "Fox-ation" of thier programs. . .

[FreedomAngel82]

34. I doubt it

Cheney's only in this business to get the oil and profit Halliburton. Bush is doing that for him well enough. He's already president anyways. We saw that proof on 5/11. One thing I do believe from his mouth is he won't run in 2008. I think 2008 will be interesting on the republican side. So far from rumors they have McCain, Guliani, Gingrich and the governor of Massachusetts.

[Renew Deal]

35. It's not going to happen.

I can't imagine it. Even if he ran, he is incredibly unpopular.

[kskiska]

38. That would mean a third term for the de facto president

Medically, though, that guy's got one foot in the grave already. He couldn't even stand up after the debates to shake hands. I know someone who had the same procedure as Dickie and he only lasted a couple years at best. What he's got is not an ordinary pacemaker, but an internal defillibrator, a last-ditch effort to keep him warm.

[suegeo]

44. I thought Cheney died.

I thought Cheney died sometime during the first stolen term, and scientists from Sandia were keeping the corpse animated for special appearances.

[Solly Mack]

40. well, he does have his stock options to warm his wallet

so the 400k a year a President gets would be gravy to him

The power would be heaven to him...


But I really can't see it.

However, since elections aren't exactly elections in America anymore...anything's possible.

[peacetalksforall]

41. They probably see delays in their takeover of the Middle East and

blocks on their plans for Cuba and Venezuela...so they need more time and a hard-core PNAC person in there to meet and maintain their objectives and though none of the PNAC people have any more charisma than Cheney...they may think they have momentum with Cheney.

Cheney is Kissinger without the accent and with a more visible drive for $$$$$$$$$$ and and equally disdainful contempt for the little
people.

I always wonder if Robert Redford regrets playing Woodward in the movie. Woodward took us to lala land. He is a pretty good actor and a dedicated operative. Out country doesn't deserve Woodward or Cheney.

Just for fun...have you ever wondered what Mr Q and A would be like as a Pres?

Enough. Time to think DEM - or INDIE.

[0007]

43. Yawn, just more bullshit to entertain the mindless!

Nothing serious here folks, just move right along now. Charles Manson couldn't dream up this kind of stuff.