Are our financial markets being manipulated?

[Ugnmoose]

I recently read an article from Mark Rostenko of the Soveregin Strategist entitled "Remember Free Markets?" http://www.sovereignstrategist.com/updates/index.cfm?const=0

In this article the author details a well laid out case of why he thinks our markets are now being externally manipulated and controlled. Knowing what I do know (and that is a fair bit), I would have to say that some of the more recent events in the market are strangely suspcious and inconsistent with normal market behavior. Given what we here know about stolen elections, and pre-meditated wars, etc. would it surprise anyone that our government would attempt to control our financial markets? I realize if you said this to the average person on the street he would call you a conspiracy nut. But I am now beyond the level of conspiracy theorist - I am a hardcore believer. Anyone else in my camp on this one?

[NorCalDem]

1. Not only am I a member

I'm also a camp-counselor :)

[knowbody0]

2. im in

[FogerRox]

4. yup

100%

[G2099]

3. Secrets of the Plunge Protection Team

http://worldvisionportal.org/wvpforum/viewtopic.php?t=204

[Ugnmoose]

5. Plunge protection team

It kind of reminds me of the White House Plumbers of Watergate fame. Except in this case they are hell bent on plunging us all down the toilet bowl.

[oblivious]

6. Yep. I've been certain of that for a couple of years now.

[Just Me]

7. Naw. We don't live in a geo-political-economic empire.

So, shush!!!!

You're pissing off the corporacrats and disrupting the "American dream" that comforts all those who are living in a modern day slave-trading, corporate-created, feudal system.

SHUSH!!!

[sweetheart]

8. shhhush... don't blow the whistle on the ponzi scheme

The investors will all run the bank and 2005 will make 1929 look
like a party. Yer preachin' to the choir mate.

Now, after that collapse, besides revoking corporate personhood, how
do you suggest we overhaul corporate governance and capital markets
(financial markets) to act in the interests of the people?

[Nite Owl]

9. Absolutely

in your camp here.

[Hubert Flottz]

10. It's not an overnight thing!

I think it's been going on for many years!

THE CABAL OF CENTRAL BANKERS

A dominant personality of the City of London during these years was Sir Montagu Norman, the Governor of the Bank of England during the period 1920-1944. Norman came from a line of bankers. His grandfather was Sir Mark Wilks Collet, who had himself been Governor of the Bank of England during the 1880's. Collet had also been a partner in the London firm of Brown, Shipley & Co., and also in the New York bank of Brown Brothers & Co., later Brown Brothers, Harriman, one of the most evil and most powerful banks in modern American history. The managing partner of Brown Brothers, Harriman during the 1930's was Prescott Bush, father of President George Herbert Walker Bush, and a financial backer of Hitler. The dominant figure at Brown Brothers, Harriman was W. Averell Harriman, Roosevelt's special envoy to Churchill and Stalin, head of the Marshall Plan, and the adviser to President Truman who was most responsible for starting the Cold War with Russia and for prolonging the Korean War.

Acting by himself and relying only on his own British resources, Montagu Norman could hardly have aspired to play the role of currency dictator of Europe. Norman's trump card was his ability to manipulate the policies of the United States Federal Reserve System through a series of Morgan-linked puppets.

Morgan's key puppet was Benjamin Strong of the New York Federal Reserve Bank, which then as now represented the flagship of the entire Fed system. Strong was Governor of the New York Federal Reserve Bank between 1914 and his death in 1929. Strong was an operative of the House of Morgan who had worked at Bankers Trust. In addition to what he could do himself, Strong had great influence over Andrew Mellon, who served as Secretary of the Treasury between 1921 and 1929 under Presidents Harding, Coolidge, and Hoover.

Montagu Norman also owned a large piece of Hjalmar Schacht, Governor of the German Reichsbank and later Finance Minister in governments in which Adolf Hitler was chancellor. Montagu Norman himself, along with King Edward VIII, Lady Astor and Sir Neville Chamberlain, was one of the strongest supporters of Hitler in the British aristocracy. Norman put his personal prestige on the line in September, 1933 to support the Hitler regime in its first attempt to float a loan in London. The Bank of England's consent was at that time indispensable for floating a foreign bond issue, and Norman made sure that the "Hitler bonds" were warmly recommended in the City.

http://www.radix.net/~tarpley/29crash.htm

The Rockefeller File...

Chapter Twelve

The Eternal Power Behind the Throne

``Single acts of tyranny may be ascribed to the accidental opinion of a day, but a series of oppressions, begun at a distinguished period, unalterable through every change of ministers, too plainly prove a deliberate, systematical plan of reducing us to slavery.''

-Thomas Jefferson


http://www.think-aboutit.com/Conspiracy/The_Rockefeller_File12.htm

[KT2000]

11. I am no expert....but

In the past several years that I have been aware of the stock market, it has tanked twice. Once on Black Monday and then again on "The third day after putting my IRA into a mutal fund day."

This much I KNOW - the guys who started the day with lots of sell orders made a killing. We only talk about those days in terms of how much people lost.. We never think to examine the people who by coinky dinky decided to dump their stocks on the same day and made an awful lot of money.

No more stocks for me.

[Mist]

12. I've always assumed financial markets are gamed to some extent

The very large players (multimillionaires) would game the system unintentionally, simply by the size of their trades. On top of that, there's intentional manipulation w/pension funds, etc. But I think these days, it's all at a much higher pitch. I can't for the life of me think what's a "safe" investment, and by safe, I don't mean making money, just NOT LOSING too badly.

[Ugnmoose]

13. Here is the 64million dollar question?

Assuming the Plunge Protection Team is "manipulating" the market to prevent it from tanking, they have to be using the Treasury resources to do it. This then begs the question: how long can they continue to pull this shit before the whole thing hits the fan? I'm personally a bear and am shorting the crap out of this market, so it is really frustrating to watch this market mysteriously bounce back every time it starts to hit the skids. You know that the last thing The Fourth Reich wants to have happen at this time is a total stock market collapse.

[Just Me]

15. Remember the "free market" that crashed? Manipulation serves,...

,...the ????????. Manipulation certainly does NOT serve the "concept" of a free market; but they are ALWAYS the advocate of that machinery that EXPLODES their "freedom" to impose their will over others.

BAH!!!!

Someday, soon, humanity will expand beyond short dreams and become great visions. Anyone fighting that change,...will be guilty of regret that will follow them.

[jazzjunkysue]

14. Go see the Enron film. Of course they're manipulated.

[lyonn]

16. I'm not a marketeer but

have noticed the market going up and down with what appears to be phony market news. But what bothers me is that maybe the reason it went up so drastically somewhere around the Nov. election was because the corps figured the Social Security plan of Bush's would pass and they would get filthy rich selling their price inflated stock. Since the SS plan looks bleak the market seems to be very spastic. Is this goofy spook thinking?

[Hubert Flottz]

18. Bingo!

The petrol-bankers want to make another big grab, so they are baiting we the people, so they can get the Social Security money in a place where they can crash the market and steal some huge chunks of cash! Things like the S&L crash have given the sharks a good taste of blood and they want some real meat now! Bush's pals are making a killing right now on the high oil and gas prices too! Another redistribution of the wealth and the working poor get the shitty end of the stick EVERY TIME!

They don't work or fight, because they're too busy stealing!

[European Socialist]

17. Nine billion $ missing in Iraq?

That money might be doing anything!