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snooper2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-03 09:49 AM
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Why no Sane Person Should Even Consider Clark for Pres.
What do you guys think about this?
from rumormillnews
http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=36943

"From RMNews:

Below, you will see many different articles from many different people, convervative and liberal alike. They all think General Clark - Sir Wesley as he is known in England where the Queen made him a Knight -- should NEVER be trusted to be our President OR Vice President!

One thing that is missing from all the lists of questionable doings that Clark has been involved in, is the fact that he was commander of Ft Hood, the army's center for mind control experiments! He wasn't just stationed there!! He was the HEAD of Ft Hood! This is the place where Colonel Michael Aquino, of the San Francisco Temple of Set fame ran his mind control experiments! What else went on at Ft Hood that we don't know about.

Ft Hood is very close to Waco, George W's ranch and Killean, Texas where a soldier from Ft Hood shot of a restaurant and killed almost 30 people!

Waco has long been known to be a center for CIA mind control operations. Ft Hood has long been associated with these mind control operations. What kind of technology for controlling humans has been developed at Ft Hood? And how much of this technology does Sir Wesley know about and/or has used?"
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Monte Carlo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-03 09:52 AM
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1. So, where are these reasons?
Most people who would vote for a 4-star general like Clark knows that makes him part of the Pentagon brass, with all the appropriate baggage.

What I don't get is why these questions without investigation are such killers...
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Brian Sweat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-03 09:57 AM
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4. I think that they are behind that Rabit.
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seventhson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-03 09:54 AM
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2. Yikes and double Yikes
Just what we need: the mind control presidency.

"You are getting very sleepy."

"I am antiwar --- drink your koolaid and keep quiet!!!! You are safe with me. Shhh, now....drink."
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WhoCountsTheVotes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-03 09:55 AM
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3. Only Kucinich believes the military is involved in mind control experiment
and he gets called looney-tunes because of it. Our military would *never* do research into mind control - what are you from another planet space cadet?

:)
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JHB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-03 09:59 AM
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7. Research is one thing...
...claims of success are something else.
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WhoCountsTheVotes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-03 10:00 AM
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8. Kucinich never claimed they were successful
has someone claimed they were?
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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-03 10:04 AM
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10. 2 Things
1. What claims of success since all of this is HIGHLY classified

2. So you would have people wait until AFTER such things are 'successfully developed" and in everyone's hands until they get around to enacting laws about it?

Whew... Glad you're not one of our Reps!
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snooper2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-03 09:57 AM
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5. This piece linked to Rumor Mill is what I was looking at..
(I'll leave the mind control stuff alone for now :) )

http://www.counterpunch.org/cohen09172003.html

"Don't Be Fooled Again
Gen. Wesley Clark: War Criminal
By MITCHEL COHEN

Gen. Wesley Clark is a major war criminal. Please don't be fooled by the current well-orchestrated push to nominate Clark as Democratic Party nominee for president, at trap which Michael Moore has apparently fallen into as well as a number of other well-meaning peace people.

Gen. Wesley Clark was in charge of refugee camps in the 1980s and 1990s where Haitian refugees who were fleeing first Baby Doc Duvalier (and later the new regime installed by the US following the overthrowal of the elected Aristide government in the early 1990s), were packed, under appalling conditions condemned by the Center for Constitutional Rights, among many others. In the 1980s, many Haitian male refugees incarcerated at Krome (in Miami), and Fort Allen (in Puerto Rico) reported a strange condition called gyneacomastia, a situation in which they developed full female breasts."
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Champion Jack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-03 10:29 AM
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21. counterpunch? you have got to be kidding....
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Evil_Dewers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-03 11:03 AM
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30. Vote for Clark...
He wants to give everybody full female breasts.
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leetrisck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-03 09:58 AM
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6. Oh wow, whatever in the hell shall we do!
The damned military (of which we were a part of) has been experimenting on troops since its existence. Have you ever gotten out there and tried to do anything about it when you found out about it. Of course you didn't. Are you having difficulty believing a General could be a Democrat. You have a group in the Yellow House that are doing experiments as we speak - check up on them - call the Veterans Admin - visit some hospitals, etc. I would guess that Clark has saved a lot more lives than we'll ever know.
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-03 10:01 AM
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9. "the San Francisco Temple of Set"
Are you kidding?

No, seriously.

Are you kidding?

You're kidding, right?

We're now accusing Clark of MIND-CONTROL????

This place is a fucking wasteland.
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slappypan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-03 10:05 AM
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11. Temple of Set ... Haitian gynecomastia ... Waco ...
How much pot do you have to smoke before this shit starts to make sense.
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-03 10:06 AM
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12. I think
You'd have to smoke that boot in your avatar to have this crap make sense.
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FlashHarry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-03 10:07 AM
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14. Truly bizarre.
Edited on Fri Sep-19-03 10:10 AM by FlashHarry
I love how it was prefaced with 'why no sane person would vote for Clark,' then it links to that! Time to strap down the colander! :tinfoilhat:
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_NorCal_D_ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-03 10:06 AM
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13. Mind control?
For the love of Humanity!
When will it end?

:tinfoilhat::tinfoilhat::tinfoilhat:
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Wickerman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-03 10:25 AM
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19. Lol, I thought you said for the Love of Hannity!
damn, gott get some new glasses, but it almost made sense. THis shit is really getting silly.
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sham Donating Member (377 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-03 11:39 AM
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34. "for the love of Hannity"
lol, I thought it said that too!

maybe it does make sense. Hannity would probably love something like this.
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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-03 10:07 AM
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15. If you want us to take you seriously
then you should probably know Wesley Clark is NOT called Sir Wesley in England or anywhere else. He was knighted, but because he's an American, cannot be called Sir.

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Starpass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-03 10:16 AM
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16. Actually, I think we are getting to the point in the Dem party where
we have nothing but loooooosers and a stupid debating society and the repukes are laughing all the way to the NEW REPBULICAN CENTURY. Let's get out and dig and dig and politically kill all the fucking losing bastards who call themselves Dems---including Howard the man of secret papers (and corporations know what Howard has in those papers). I predict the day will come when 75% of the Dem party will become registered republicans with the mission of selecting the the least harmful repuke candidate to rule them. Indeed, one day we will become ONE party---it will be called republican (you know, love it or looooooose).
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Brian Sweat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-03 10:18 AM
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17. Was this before or after he engineered the Waco fiasco?
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ProfessorGAC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-03 10:22 AM
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18. My Only Problem With Him
I just don't like soldiers (sailors) as president. I know there's ample precedent, i just don't like it. The idea of a military careerist at the head of the world's most powerful machine is unnerving.
The Professor
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Syrinx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-03 10:28 AM
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20. I confess I read Rumor Mill sometimes
But it is a truly insane website.
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snooper2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-03 10:33 AM
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22. I tend to agree
A lot of stuff there that doesn't connect or make sense...
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-03 10:39 AM
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23. Thanks to stuff like this, pot is still illegal
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CentristDemocrat Donating Member (294 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-03 10:42 AM
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24. This board is full of bizarre, left-wing conspiracy theorists. (nm)
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-03 10:45 AM
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25. I like the man-boobs in Haiti better - more fun!
I knew this was wacko - because it had "sane" in the title. If I learned anuthing from bushco propaganda....
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birdman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-03 10:47 AM
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26. A vote for Clark is a vote for Mind Control !!!!






I voted for that General and I lost my mind and my strawberries.





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davidinalameda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-03 10:55 AM
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27. first of all, American citizens can't be made knights
second of all, this whole thing sounds crazy as hell

like I said, I'm not worried about the press attacking Clark but supporters of other candidates
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Evil_Dewers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-03 11:02 AM
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28. Oh My God!
Didn't y'all's mommies ever tell you not to believe everything you read?
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maha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-03 11:03 AM
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29. Spray some PAM on the aluminum helmet.
The Mind Control Rays from Mars will roll right off.
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jonnyblitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-03 11:06 AM
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31. LMFAO!!!!!
:crazy:
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Rowdyboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-03 11:25 AM
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32. Thanks for the laugh...
This is intended as a joke, no? Please, please, tell me your kidding...
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moondust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-03 11:31 AM
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33. I've been to Fort Hood. Hey, wait a minute....
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Darranar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-03 11:39 AM
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35. OMG!
Clark the mind-controller! No wonder he has so many supporters!

Now, really. I'm not one to defend Clark, but this is going quite a bit too far.
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Brian Sweat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-03 11:43 AM
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36. Must Support Clark. Must Support Clark.
Must bash Dean. Must make fun of Sharpton's hair. Must Support Clark. Help Me.
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-03 11:43 AM
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37. These are stupid reasons.
"Sir"...Ft. Hood...CIA

Dumb.

I am sure Wesley Clark is a decent person who has America's best interests at heart. You can't be an American knight. He got some other commondation that many Americans get. Guiliani got it. Ft.Hood. You can't be in the army without crossing paths with something sinister. It doesn't neccessarily make you a bad person.

This is silly.

I have my reasons for not liking Clark, and they have nothing to do with these absurd reasons.
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nolabels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-03 11:43 AM
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38. Some people are being played, dopes? No that is how some crazies...
Work. The simplest thing to keep in sight of is follow the money. My gut almost busted laughing at Arnold and the California Indian tribes giving McClintox money. It is easy to figure out when you see who is getting their pockets filled.

http://archives.econ.utah.edu/archives/marxism/2003w22/msg00174.htm


(snip)
Not before asking what really motivates him. Soros likes to portray himself as
an outsider, an independent-minded Hungarian emigre and philosopher-pundit
who stands detached from the US military-industrial complex. But take a look
at the board members of the NGOs he organises and finances. At Human
Rights Watch, for example, there is Morton Abramowitz, US assistant
secretary of state for intelligence and research from 1985-89, and now a fellow
at the interventionist Council on Foreign Relations; ex-ambassador Warren
Zimmerman (whose spell in Yugoslavia coincided with the break-up of that
country); and Paul Goble, director of communications at the CIA-created
Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty (which Soros also funds). Soros's
International Crisis Group boasts such "independent" luminaries as the former
national security advisers Zbigniew Brzezinski and Richard Allen, as well as
General Wesley Clark, once Nato supreme allied commander for Europe
. The
group's vice-chairman is the former congressman Stephen Solarz, once
described as "the Israel lobby's chief legislative tactician on Capitol Hill" and a
signatory, along with the likes of Richard Perle and Paul Wolfowitz, to a
notorious letter to President Clinton in 1998 calling for a "comprehensive
political and military strategy for bringing down Saddam and his regime".

Take a look also at Soros's business partners. At the Carlyle Group, where he
has invested more than $100m, they include the former secretary of state
James Baker and the erstwhile defence secretary Frank Carlucci, George Bush
Sr and, until recently, the estranged relatives of Osama Bin Laden. Carlyle, one
of the world's largest private equity funds, makes most of its money from its
work as a defence contractor.
(snip)

http://www.canadiandimension.mb.ca/extra/d1207hc.htm
George Soros, Imperial Wizard


Yes, I do have a foreign policy...my goal is to become the conscience of the world."'

This is not a case of narcissistic personality disorder; this is how George Soros exercises the authority of United States hegemony in the world today. Soros foundations and financial machinations are partly responsible for the destruction of socialism in Eastern Europe and the former USSR. He has set his sights on China. He was part of the full court press that dismantled Yugoslavia. Calling himself a philanthropist, billionaire George Soros' role is to tighten the ideological stranglehold of globalization and the New World Order while promoting his own financial gain. Soros' commercial and "philanthropic" operations are clandestine, contradictory and coactive. And as far as his economic activities are concerned, by his own admission, he is without conscience; a capitalist who functions with absolute amorality.

Master-builder of the new bribe sector systematically bilking the world
He thrusts himself upon world statesmen and they respond. He has been close to Henry Kissinger, Vaclav Havel and Poland's General Wojciech Jaruzelski. 4 He supports the Dalai Lama, whose institute is housed in the Presidio in San Francisco, also home to the foundation run by Soros' friend, former Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev. 5 Soros is a leading figure on the Council of Foreign Relations, the World Economic Forum, and Human Rights Watch (HRW). In 1994, after a meeting with his philosophical guru, Sir Karl Popper, Soros ordered his companies to start investing in Central and Eastern European communications. The Federal Radio Television Administration of the Czech Republic accepted his offer to take over and fund the archives of Radio Free Europe. Soros moved the archives to Prague and spent over $15 million on their maintenance. 2 A Soros foundation now runs CIA-created Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty jointly with the U.S. and RFE/RL, which has expanded into the Caucasus and Asia. 3 Soros is the founder and funder of the Open Society Institute. He created and maintains the International Crisis Group (ICG) which, among other things, has been active in the Balkans since the destruction of Yugoslavia. Soros works openly with the United States Institute of Peace-an overt arm of the CIA.
He thrusts himself upon world statesmen and they respond. He has been close to Henry Kissinger, Vaclav Havel and Poland's General Wojciech Jaruzelski. 4 He supports the Dalai Lama, whose institute is housed in the Presidio in San Francisco, also home to the foundation run by Soros' friend, former Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev. 5
When anti-globalization forces were freezing in the streets outside New York's Waldorf-Astoria hotel in February 2002, George Soros was inside addressing the World Economic Forum. As the police forced protesters into metal cages on Park Avenue, Soros was extolling the virtues of the "Open Society" and joined Zbigniew Brzezinski, Samuel Huntington, Francis Fukuyama and others.
WHO IS THIS GUY?
George Soros was born in Hungary in 1930 to Jewish parents so removed from their roots that they once vacationed in Nazi Germany. 6 Soros lived under the Nazis, but with the triumph of the Communists moved to England in 1947. There, Soros came under the sway of the philosopher Karl Popper, at the London School of Economics. Popper was a lionized anti-communist ideologue and his teachings formed the basis for Soros' political tendencies. There is hardly a speech, book or article that Soros writes that does not pay obeisance to Popper's influence.
Knighted in 1965, Popper coined the slogan "Open Society," which eventually manifested in Soros' Open Society Fund and Institute. Followers of Popper repeat his words like true believers. Popperian philosophy epitomizes Western individual ism. Soros left England in 1956, and found work on Wall Street where, in the 1960s, he invented the "hedge fund."

(snip)
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Uzybone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-03 11:45 AM
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39. Oh man
and you are judging other peoples sanity?
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