POLL: Flushing the Q'ran down a toilet-- did it happen?

[spooked911]

What do you think? After what is known to have happened at Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo, how likely is it that the military decided flushing a Q'ran (Koran) down the toilet really crossed the line?

Flushing the Q'ran down a toilet-- did it happen?

[sabra]

1. no doubt about it!

[Hobarticus]

2. I have no doubt whatsoever...

[TWiley]

3. How about "Are the riots related to this incident"?

I say NO!

See the photo?
See the republicraps attach a lie to it?

They were probably protesting American occupation or interference.

[RobertSeattle]

4. My caveats...

Just dealing with the physics of "flushing a book down a toilet".

Perhaps they through it in a toilet, didn't flush it.

Or

They ripped pages from it and flushed the pages.

Or

It wasn't a flush toilet - something like a portolet.

[xultar]

5. OK, to me that is where they would start. The nudity, menstral blood

strip deal would come WAY after that.

[wakeme2008]

6. The real question is HOW MANY TIMES??????????????????? nt

[spooked911]

8. Good point!

[Bok_Tukalo]

7. No way to be sure

But it wouldn't surprise me nor does it really matter all that much.

[Walt Starr]

9. The report has been vetted and the report has been re-vetted

The Pentagon signed off on the report and said nothing about it.

the first story about the flushing of the Koran was in March of 2003 as near as I can tell.

Of course it's true.

[GodlessBiker]

10. Technically, it's the Pentagon is lying *its* ass off.

If it had an ass, rather than just a hole, so to speak.

[redqueen]

11. Daily Kos shows four other reports of it happening

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/5/15/211444/985

And the Pentagon had 11 days to review the Newsweek story and tell him to retract that if they wanted.

But suuuuuuure, I believe them. NOT.

[jus_the_facts]

12. Since when is Newsweek common reading material in the ME?

.....who gives a literal shit about the flushing part of this...the media is making people believe that a NEWSWEEK ARTICLE caused riots all over the Middle East...??? :banghead:

[Touchdown]

13. They threw it in a shit bucket.

I seriously doubt that these cells have indoor plumbing, and thus no toilets. Like on HBO's OZ, those prisoners have buckets to void in. This Koran was probably t\hrown into a full one.

The terms "flush it down" is what I believe is inaccurate, not the actual damage to the book in fecal matter.

[Nothing Without Hope]

14. See also this DU thread with multiple similar incidents reported:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3669550
Thread title: “Stories of Korans tossed into Gitmo toilets as early as **March 2003**”

[Goblinmonger]

15. Fuck yeah.

I mean, really, dig through the WH rhetoric. "Well, we electrocuted a guy's balls, made people think they were having menstrual blood being wiped on them, did a whole list of heinous shit, but we didn't do that Q'ran thing. Boy the media is a bunch of liars, aren't they?"

Kiss my ass Commander Cuckoo-bananas and all his spawn.

[erichzann]

16. How do you flush it down a toilet - what kind of toilets are these?

Maybe I'm too unfamiliar with either toilets or Q'rans but the toilets I'm familiar have holes to small to fit the books I'm familiar with down them...

I'm not denying that the heart of the story is likely to be true, its just a semantic thing that was gnawing at me since I first heard the story..

[oasis]

19. In Gitmo they probably have an outhouse type of setup unless Halliburton

was contracted to put in plumbing.

[Warpy]

17. The story has been in the press for TWO YEARS

as told by released prisoners. However, consider that the "toilet" in question is generally a BUCKET in the prisoner's cell. Tossing the Koran into a bucket? Probably been done over and over again.

The only thing different about this time is that the story was either leaked or planted (depending on how suspicious you are) by a Pentagon insider and that it said "flushed." I don't know if any of you have ever seen a Koran, but it would be an all day project to dismantle it sufficiently to get it to flush without stopping up the plumbing.

However, showing it the ultimate disrespect by throwing it into a bucket or other human waste receptacle has undoubtedly been done, and continues to be done. What the US is doing to these people in my name is making me horribly ashamed in my country.

I remember the days when we humanely treated prisoners, not because of who they were, but because of who we were.

I will never forgive any of the fascists for this.

[Q3JR4]

18. There is not a doubt in my mind. n/t

[katinmn]

20. Yes, 50+ prisoners at Guantanamo have made claims re: the

military's desecration of the Koran. In each case, the military refuses to corroborate. (What a surprise!)

We've all seen the pictures of Abu Ghriab. We know what they're capable of.

[Gothmog]

21. There are too many sources with the same story

It is clear that this was part of the attempt of the Bush interrogators to break down the Gitmo detainees. This incident happen and the pentagon is lying to cover up.

[sushi]

22. Waste of time

Ms Rice can say whatever she wants, but the damage has been done. Those that hate the US will hate it even more, if that is possible.
Of course a book, even a little one, can't be flushed. I agree that it must have been thrown in a waste bucket.

[donheld]

23. More than once!

:grr:

[jayctravis]

24. It's a non-violent torture method...of course they'd use it.

Similar to wringing the neck of a child's teddy bear. Doesn't really cause any documentable harm but is traumatizing to the psyche of someone invested in its care.