What is somebody purchased Diebold?

[Pushed To The Left]

There has been a lot of concern here about the validity of the electronic voting machines, and the lack of a paper trail. Would it be possible for a wealthy progressive or moderate to purchase Diebold to ensure that the next vote is legitimate and that there is a paper trail?

[kaygore]

1. Why would they sell?

[lonestarnot]

7. Yeah why are they going to get rid of such a good thing?

[kaygore]

14. It is truly the Golden Goose!

That is, of the Republican Party.

[Auntie Bush]

2. Maybe George Soros would be interested.

[Raster]

3. For the life of me I still don't understand how the maker of the world's..

.most secure, advanced and accurate ATM machines can't get voting machines right. Talk about disconnect.

Here's my plan:

1) Issue a National Voter's Registration Card, which resembles a Debit/ATM card to each eligible voter, usable for one time only.
2) Set up ATMs to be the voting machines.
3) Charge the financial system that tracks all ATM transactions to count the votes. Think how accurate they are.
4) Allow voting over a three-to-five-day period, including the weekend.

[FreedomAngel82]

9. This shows me

that they should not be used in elections.

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

4. What about a real whip-around on DU...

Say, $100 a piece, as seed money?

Then goto Soros, with the bank statement.

[Vadem]

5. Yes, I would pay a $100 bucks to get Soros involved......n/t

[KaliTracy]

6. Diebold is HUGE -- they do much more than e-voting systems

and why would they want to give that up?

http://www.diebold.com/

Self service
ATMs and self-service terminals
Integrated Services (Outsourcing)
RemoteTeller™ System
Express Delivery XT™ teller assist system

Premier Service
Maintenance services
Product Application Services (PAS)
Verdi & Company distribution channel consulting

Security
Diebold Security

Global Software and Services
ATM Currency Management
ATM Marketing
ATM Status Monitoring
Deposit Automation (Check 21)
Integrated Services (Outsourced/Managed Services)
Security Monitoring
Transaction Processing Services


Software
The Agilis® family of ATM terminal software
ImageWay™ ATM Check Imaging
CS Housing® software
Express Delivery XT™ software

Card Based Systems
Diebold Card Systems

Currency Processing Systems
Diebold currency processing systems


Election Systems
Diebold Election Systems



Which does beg the question -- with ALL of their experience with such important things like money and security -- WHY in the world would even ONE machine "switch" from Kerry to Bush, or suddenly "break down," or "freeze up" when people voted?

[Raster]

8. like I said in my earlier post, their ATMs and the software that runs them

...are the most accurate and secure in the world. They can't get voting machines right?????

[KaliTracy]

10. I know they didn't make all the e-vote machines, but the problems did

carry over to their machines, too. And what I find appalling is that people in power don't think this is strange -- that it is just to be "expected" -- when if there were machines countrywide in your local fast food place that were ordering different things than a person really ordered throughout the day, people would get pretty upset.

At first they would blame it on the cashier, but if it kept happening, one person after another -- "I ordered a BiggieBurger not a VeggieBurger can't you do anything right?!" all hell would break lose.

Those in the store would get a "free something" for their time -- and those going through the drive-thrus might get reimbursed IF they complained about it. Corporate would be pissed -- and all of the managers would have to write a report --- and unless they all talked to one another, and found out the problem was widespread that day -- each manager would probably think it was only in their store -- and may at first blame the user and not the machine.


We were passing out Teeshirt ideas in the Election Discussion Forum

Imagine this on the back of a tee-shirt. For getting others to think....

What’s more important to you…
The fact that we can order hamburgers
almost without incident throughout the country
from the same franchise on any given day...

Or the fact that on election day
the machines in charge of keeping our votes

broke down, voted wrong, registered thousands
of votes for Bush, switched votes from Kerry
to Bush, lost thousands of votes (in more than
one precinct), and that

one of the companies responsible
pledged a win for Bush – and just happens to
make most of the ATM machines in the country.


I’ll have fries and a cola with that.

[LightningFlash]

11. Remember, it is not just Diebold...

It is ES&S, Diebold, Triad, Hart-Intervic, Sequoia and Danaher. Danaher finally got removed and pulled off the market in several states like Pennsylvania, Montana....But all of the companies are part of the sticky web.

It's obvious why Blackwell wants to re-write all the district lines, and force Diebold machines everywhere. He wants to be governor. :o

[KaliTracy]

12. yes, I know.... i find it odd -- as others stated here, that Diebold has

such a hand in other "secure" systems, but they can't get the vote thing right...

and as for Blackwell -- ODD, isn't it, that he forced all of the 88 counties to Optiscan in February -- and then reversed after cutting a "big deal" with Diebold a few months later (and getting slapped by Petro for making a sweeping decision like that in the first place). Think they wanted to go Diebold all the time....though there will be a "paper trail" (I've not seen them call it a paper ballot, if they have started, I appologize). With them pushing for "no reason" for absentee ballots (new legislation in the Ohio House), there will just be another area where there aren't checks and balances...

[Raster]

13. and what REALLY frosts my cookies is that EACH and EVERY

time there was a "malfunction" or "problem" it ALWAYS favored bush* and minions of the evil empire. Go fuckin' figure.

If we do not get a handle on these voting issues, democracy is effectively dead in the United States.

And while I'm on a roll, does anyone else believe that if the Congress of the United States of America were REALLY serious about fixing the election system they could have years ago???

[KaliTracy]

15. yep...that's pretty odd -- but notice when on talk shows, etc. when people

bring up Election Fraud and a Republican is there -- the first thing he/she brings up is Dead people and Mary Poppins voting. (For the life of me, I don't understand why anyone would think that the "Party" who is represented/selected on a voter registration form is "legit" when the name isn't. Isn't that a clear indication that the "opposite" party is trying something? I know the fake names appeared on both sides -- but wouldn't it be logical to say that "Mary Poppins" - Democrat - on 1234 Happy Lane was probably written up by an Independent or Republican (or non-voter)?)

And -- considering Warren County, Ohio (home of the "terror" alert "lock down" -- had pages ripped out of their book, as well as many signatures that looked nothing like previous signatures (a "Republican" area) -- seems to me that Democrats need to be more quick with the retorts when "voter fraud" is thrown around.

[jmm]

16. Would you give up that kind of power?