Did you suspect BFEE involvement in 9/11 from the beginning?

[UdoKier]

Personally, I didn't suspect Bushco per se, but the minute the towers fell, I thought of the Military Industrial Complex and the way they murdered JFK, and I felt that such a scenario would be at least as likely as the strictly Al Qaeda scenario.

As the next few weeks unfolded, we watched as the nation rallied around Bush and everyone suddenly got this deranged notion that he was a great leader. I kept mum, but I felt from the beginning that this guy's approach sucked.

When they passed the Patriot Act without even reading it, and the news came out that Oil & Gas companies had a vested interest in pipelines in Afghanistan, and that the Bush Administration WANTED NO INVESTIGATION INTO 9/11, it became pretty clear that we should look to those who benefitted most from the tragedy, just as in a criminal investigation.

Did you suspect BFEE involvement in 9/11 from the beginning?

[FreedomAngel82]

1. With me

I had no idea in the beginning. It was really a strange day for me personally. I saw F9/11 and then started researching it more etc. and then after all my research on this is when I knew they did it.

[Jara sang]

2. Lets put it this way...

As soon as I found out Bush had stole the election in 2000, I said to my girlfriend, "We'll be in Iraq within a year" My timing was a little off, but these BFEE assholes are highly predictable and I think they were at least, at least complicit in the 9/11 attacks.

[mandyky]

3. Other - After seeing how this administration politicized 9-11

and my initial gut instincts added up to LIH if not a full MIH.

[wtmusic]

4. The urge to match the scale of a catastrophe with its cause

is irresistable to most. As Adlai Stevenson said, "these are the conclusions upon which my facts are based."

[silverweb]

5. A progression of reactions.

(1) Instant reaction was to believe the official story. We were all in shock for a while.

(2) Within a couple of weeks, a pattern of too many simplistic media stories and apparent inconsistencies were leaking out, which made me start asking questions and thinking the unthinkable.

(3) Over a long period of time, I've moved from reluctantly accepting the possibility of LIHOP, to strongly believing LIHOP, to the heartbreaking acceptance that MIHOP is a strong probability.

[pie]

8. My feelings exactly

Heartbreaking is right

[libnnc]

13. that's exactly how it was for me

and exactly in that order.

[DrDebug]

14. The same here

I think you made a correct summary.

[Lilith Velkor]

24. I saw that progression a few times

I was MIHOP from day one. Two people have even given me sincere apologies for making fun of me. Heartbreaking indeed.

Validation is ice-cold comfort. It's like being right about the WMDs, only worse...

[Al-CIAda]

25. These are my phases of progression as well. n/t

[hippiegranny]

26. that pretty much sums it up for me too

except, I still am teetering on the fence between lihop and mihop.

[silverweb]

27. It's nice to have that validation...

...although each of us pretty much had to travel that route of progression alone, inside our own heads.

How utterly tragic that our nation has sunk so low that LIHOP and MIHOP are even realistic considerations. It's enough to cause alternating fear, paranoia, and depression!


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[SpiralHawk]

29. Gigadittoes for me.

Similar progression. DU was a part of my journey of understanding, as I found links and resources and facts and questions here that the corporate media has -- so mysteriously and supiciously -- never paid any serious attention.

The evasiveness of the Bush Administration also played a big part in my coming to accept LIHOP or MIHOP. The Repubs spent about $80 million investigating the Bill Clinton/Monica Lewinsky affair, and only about $12 "investigating" 9/11. That stinks seven ways from Sunday. And it moves me compellingly into the MIHOP zone.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

6. At first, no.

Though I figured that whatever happened next, Bush was sure to dick it up. I also wondered whether Osama decided to act *because* Bush was president and would dick everything up. But once it became obvious that Busholiini had a hardon for war with Iraq, LIHOP -- at least -- got to be a pretty persuasive theory.

[HEIL PRESIDENT GOD]

16. Remember

It took maybe twenty minutes for Woolsey to come on and start talking Saddam.

[Lydia Leftcoast]

7. When I saw Bush's reaction and also saw how quickly the

administration attributed it to Al Qaeda, I became suspicious.

When I saw how quickly the Patriot Act appeared (it was ready to go to committee by October 5!), then I knew that they had to have had that huge pile of paper ready at least in outline before 9/11. (A retired law professor with legislative experience confirmed my suspicion that it would have been impossible to draft an act of that size in three weeks.)

[sojourner]

9. I got suspicious when they "couldn't find" the hijacked planes

I also wondered about the security of the Pentagon and how on earth a plane could actually hit it "by surprise".

Next, when the borders were closed I started to worry. And the clincher for me has been the Administration's behavior ever since. The use of the tradgedy to justify spending millions on a War on Terra and to trump up the war in Iraq that I saw as a scam immediately.

I hate thinking the leaders of my homeland can do these things...but clearly they are. I figure they are capable of more than we can imagine. Remember, Bush and his cronies were mentored by a Nazi (or is it Fascist) sympathizer.......can't remember his name. And with a Grandad involved in collusion with Nazis during the war for his personal gain, and a dad involved in CIA ops during the Iran-Contra affair.....looks like the kid came by it "honest"!

[SpiralHawk]

31. They had an hour and they couldn't muster a pop gun to defend the Pentagon

Pretty pissass pathetic. Or MIHOP.

UGLY either way.

[Last Lemming]

10. I'm embarassed to confess

I didn't see it until the election of 2004 When I saw how they stole the election I realized they would do anything, ANYTHING

I was blind but now unfortunately I can see. Unfortunately because there has been no justice here The event is still just a terrible but when I think no one has been tried for this crime and the people who were framed have paid a terrible prixe--then what?

[tech3149]

11. I felt the same thing on Nov 22,1963

It wasn't anything that I "knew", it was just a subconscious understanding that this wasn't a random incident.
I spent the day doing my job while everyone in the school was riveted to the TV. Driving home I watched the plume of smoke rising in the east and had to pull over and throw up. I didn't learn enough to be sure until March of 2003.

[UdoKier]

12. kick.

dammit.

[HEIL PRESIDENT GOD]

15. First word

out of my mouth:

"It's Bush."

I have witnesses.

[Octafish]

17. Bush knew. And terrorists flew.

Before the CIA briefed him at Crawford during his first month-long vacation in August 2001, the crazy moron had been “forced” to sleep offshore during the G-8 summit in Genoa. The reason: bin Laden threatened to crash the party with a jet plane. This shows, at BEST, Bush's incompetence enabled 9-11. That makes him criminally derelict in his duty as commander-in-chief, an impeachable offense. What’s more likely, based on the results of his leadership in the three years since, Bush just decided to let 9-11 happen as a reason for building up the world’s first sole-superpower police state.

There is no doubt the former counter-terrorism czar Richard Clarke, National Security Advisor Sandy Berger and President Clinton personally warned the incoming administration of the dangers posed by bin Laden and Al Quaeda.

Later that summer, DCI George Tenet's hair was afire with all the warnings he was getting. How come he didn't get the info about the flight schools from CIA? Perhaps he'duh warned the airlines or even the flying public?

It's most LIKELY Bush's incompetence was the result of willfull ignorance. That requires no stretch of the imagination. Consider the following evidence, from JUNE-JULY 2001:

Plot to assassinate Bush - reports

Bin Laden: Believed to have a network of guerrillas

July 9, 2001 Posted: 9:23 AM EDT (1323 GMT)

MOSCOW, Russia -- Osama bin Laden has threatened to assassinate U.S. President George W. Bush at a G8 meeting in Italy, the head of Russia's Federal Bodyguard Service has said, according to reports.

The Associated Press said Yevgeny Murov was quoted by Itar-Tass news agency as saying: "Bin Laden is threatening the American president, but we know what international terrorism is today and therefore all the bodyguard units concerned are preparing for this.

"We view the threats as totally serious, but hope that with joint efforts we can solve all the problems."

The Group of Eight summit is meeting between July 20-22 in Genoa, Italy. Leaders from Britain, Canada, France, Germany, Italy, Japan, Russia and the United States are expected to attend the summit.

Murov -- Russian President Vladimir Putin's chief bodyguard -- did not elaborate on the threats. He said agents from Russia's Federal Bodyguard Service have travelled to Genoa to coordinate with their counterparts from the other nations taking part in the summit to investigate the threats.

CONTINUED...

http://archives.cnn.com/2001/WORLD/europe/06/20/russia.binladen/


Missiles to protect summit leaders

Special report: globalisation

Rory Carroll in Rome
Wednesday July 11, 2001
The Guardian

Italy has installed a missile defence system at Genoa's airport to deter airborne attacks during next week's G8 summit, fuelling hysteria about looming violence.

A land-based battery of rockets with a range of nine miles and an altitude of 5,000 feet has been positioned in the latest security measure against perceived threats from terrorists and protesters.

Unidentified planes, helicopters and balloons risk being shot down should they drift too close to the heads of state from the group of seven leading industrialised nations and Russia.
Colonel Alberto Battaglini, of the ministry of defence, said the precaution was not exces sive. "The measure, which was planned by the previous government, may seem open to criticism, but in reality it is merely to act as a deterrent against any aerial incursion during the summit.

"They are little missiles ... which only have a deterrent function to discourage any aerial-led attack and they do not present any danger to the residents of the city," he said.

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/globalisation/story/0,7369,519925,00.html

Then there's John Ashcan who stopped flying commercial in July 2001.

Ashcroft Flying High

WASHINGTON, July 26, 2001

CBS News Correspondent Jim Stewart reports on Aschcroft's travel arrangements.

"There was a threat assessment and there are guidelines. He is acting under the guidelines." -- FBI spokesman

(CBS) Fishing rod in hand, Attorney General John Ashcroft left on a weekend trip to Missouri Thursday afternoon aboard a chartered government jet, reports CBS News Correspondent Jim Stewart.

In response to inquiries from CBS News over why Ashcroft was traveling exclusively by leased jet aircraft instead of commercial airlines, the Justice Department cited what it called a "threat assessment" by the FBI, and said Ashcroft has been advised to travel only by private jet for the remainder of his term.

"There was a threat assessment and there are guidelines. He is acting under the guidelines," an FBI spokesman said. Neither the FBI nor the Justice Department, however, would identify what the threat was, when it was detected or who made it.

A senior official at the CIA said he was unaware of specific threats against any Cabinet member, and Ashcroft himself, in a speech in California, seemed unsure of the nature of the threat.

CONTINUED...

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2001/07/26/national/main303601.shtml

Then there's this from the suicided Hatfield, who didn't believe Bush was under threat at the time (July 2001). He thought Bush was just a big sissy:

Why would Osama bin Laden want to kill Dubya, his former business partner?

By James Hatfield
 
Editor's note: In light of last week's horrific events and the Bush administration's reaction to them, we are reprising the following from the last column Jim Hatfield wrote for Online Journal prior to his tragic death on July 18:

July 3, 2001—There may be fireworks in Genoa, Italy, this month, too.

A plot by Saudi master terrorist, Osama bin Laden, to assassinate Dubya during the July 20 economic summit of world leaders, was uncovered after dozens of suspected Islamic militants linked to bin Laden's international terror network were arrested in Frankfurt, Germany, and Milan, Italy, in April.

German intelligence services have stated that bin Laden is covertly financing neo-Nazi skinhead groups throughout Europe to launch another terrorist attack at a high-profile American target—his first since the bombing of the USS Cole in Yemen last October.

According to counter-terrorism experts quoted in Germany's largest newspaper, the attack on Dubya might be a James Bond-like aerial strike in the form of remote-controlled airplanes packed with plastic explosives.

Why would Osama bi Laden want to kill, Dubya, his former business partner?

CONTINUED...

http://www.onlinejournal.com/Special_Reports/Hatfield-R-091901/hatfield-r-091901.html

[dogday]

18. Don't Forget FEMA Just Happened To Be There At The Time

With the lame excuse of a practice drill of a devastating nature. What a coincidence you say?

[PowerToThePeople]

19. I accepted * and co. story

It wasn't untill they started using 9/11 as a reason to start an unjustified war that I started to question the legitimacy of it. And now, after 4 years of proactive research and reading/listening of current events, I am 100% sure it is at minimum LIHOP. Most likely more..

[Cleita]

20. I didn't think it was the BFEE at first, but when they

immediately pointed the finger to Osama Bin Laden, I smelled something fishy, like it had been expected or god forbid planned ahead of time.

[Ladyhawk]

21. I tried to go on with my regularly scheduled life already in progress.

But the BFEE wouldn't / won't let me. :mad:

[LuPeRcALiO]

22. At first I suspected criminal negligence by the airlines

for not preventing it, with backing from the Bush administration, who didn't want any Saudi passengers bothered.

I thought it was just a business decision -- too expensive to prevent hijackings; cheaper to lose a few planes and let insurance pay -- until the 9/11 report, which shows that a knife carried on board by one of the hijackers actually set off a metal detector, twice, and he was waved through both times.

Now my guess is that Cheney is the genius who figured out that letting it happen would be more useful than preventing it.

[rndmprsn]

23. bush knew

[killbotfactory]

28. I think it was incompetence

The video of Bush looking like he was about to shit a brick when informed about it, didn't seem like someone in the loop. I wouldn't put it past Dick Cheney, though.

[in_cog_ni_to]

30. Not from day one, but maybe a few weeks after?

DU enlightened me....fast.

[Blue_In_AK]

32. I definitely had suspicions very early on...

...maybe not from day one, but we took our hastily raised flag down after about two days and started speaking in whispers of conspiracy.

[guajira]

33. I Think it could have been prevented

Kind of a LIHOP. B* should have been held accountable from day one, and should have been impeached by now for incompetence.

Turning him into a "hero" was the greatest spin job I have ever seen!