NBC just said that anti-US sentiment will be felt over the

[Horse with no Name]

photos of SH.
Protesters were outside of London embassy today saying that it shows a pattern of abuse.

And let's see....King George says nothing will happen because of a picture. We shall see, we shall see.

More blood on America's hands.
Where is the outrage?

[Sequoia]

1. Too bad Newsweek didn't get the scoop.

[knowbody0]

2. i hate those photographs

he is an iraqi. we are trying to win the hearts and minds. this is very shamefull to them.

[Horse with no Name]

5. Personally

If it were just a picture of a man in his underwear, who really cares?
But it is what the photo represents. It attacks deep religious beliefs that we don't understand. Sad part, many thousands of people on the outside of that cell understand the humiliation and religious undertones of what this picture represents.
This will spark outrage like we haven't seen yet.

[babylonsister]

3. I'm outraged; I saw the video of protesters in

London; they are SO angry at America. Hopefully they realize the blivet is to blame, but how do you convince them of that when half this country appeared to be brain dead in November?

[bennywhale]

13. Don't worry. We know who's responsible. We know its not the American

people. Those that don't support this neo-imperialism are good people like yourself, and those that do, are either ignorant or manipulated.

So we know it ain't your fault.


Anyway we've had a lot of experience at being hated across the world due to actions of our government. In fact you can still see the legacy of that in the way we are portrayed in Hollywood (had to get that in), so don't believe that we are actually judging the people of America in any way. (Although you could ease up on the corruption of our beautiful language a bit, if it isn't too much trouble.)

[babylonsister]

19. Corruption of the language? You mean

my use of it, our illustrious leader's, or just in general? :shrug: I'm bloody curious now!

[bennywhale]

24. I'm just winding you up a little bit. In England it is

not uncommon for people to be very protective over "our" language. I'm not particularly, but i do find myself occasionally informing Americans on TV they are pronouncing things incorrectly. I also make sub-conscious spelling corrections on this forum. Like LABOUR rather than LABOR, or CENTRE rather than CENTER, or the use of a z instead of an s like REALIZE instead of REALISE

But hey I'm joking, and anyway i can hardly criticise, my local dialect is often uninterpretable to Southerners, and i am English. (However i do know how to deploy it properly when necessary)

[babylonsister]

27. Thanks for the explanation. You may

correct me anytime-but gently. :hi:

[mr blur]

28. It is rather unfortunate

that they were printed in the one 'newspaper' here that no-one believes about anything. On the other hand, I can't imagine that the Guardian or Independent, for example, would print them so someone chose wisely forn their purposes.

on edit: of course it is of course Murdoch's nastiest little toilet paper.

[skooooo]

4. you mean this won't win even more ...

..hearts and minds?!

[IChing]

6. I was watching BBC america news

An Iraq said that this is not proper to show any Iraq citizen in such light, since we have given the world reading and writing.
Saddam was a president but no longer
but this is not proper for any Iraqi

He was a middle class businessman.

[LynnTheDem]

7. OF COURSE the world will be outraged!!!

Most IRAQIS will be outraged; Hussein is an IRAQI.

If that were done to BUSH, I know *I* would be BLOODY ANGRY and I really detest bush.

The majority of the world just don't think it's a cool or funny thing to MOCK and HUMILIATE someone, regardless who the someone is, just for the FUN of mocking & humiliating someone, ESPECIALLY when that someone is in jail, has no way of fighting back, no way of resisting. Such behaviour is cruel and it shows a mean streak of a total nasty bully. It shows an appalling lack of compassion, it is the very opposite of "Christian". It's just plain sickening.

[Renew Deal]

9. Exactly

It doesn't matter who the person is. It's just not something you do to someone.

[Gloria]

10. And I hear that Murdoch is planning to release MORE...

I think he wants to fan the flames so his British papers and stupid FAUX network can keep feeding the freepers.

[spooked911]

12. How is this worse than Abu Ghraib, which all Iraqis know about?

Besides, many Iraqis hate Saddam.

This may piss off a lot of Iraqis, but no more than anything else Americans have done already.

[LynnTheDem]

31. It will indeed piss off most Iraqis. And most the world.

And I think a big part of "why more outrage after the outrage of Abu Ghraib" is because the world will see it as the US CONTINUING this shit.

Yes the photo was taken last year, but the US and UK are proudly prancing these photos across the US/UK media NOW.

As for the Iraqis, hating him has nothing to do with it.

Fact is Hussein was the PRESIDENT of Iraq, for a very long time. He is still the symbol of Iraq, and life was better for Iraqis under him than it is now under the US, with no sign of life getting better any time soon. Iraqi anger towards the invaders is higher now than it was last year.

It was not the Iraqi choice to remove Hussein, they had no say in that, no control of that. Now the same foreign invaders are prancing around with these photos of a man who was, like it or not, hate him or not, THE PRESIDENT of Iraq, now helpless and at the mercy of the foreign fighters; something EVERY Iraqi can now empathize with, having themselves, or their loved ones or friends, been in the same helpless control of the US gulags, or who still are.

And Saddam Hussein is an Iraqi.

If someone did this to bush, while he was sitting in his war criminal jail cell, I'd be f*cking outraged.

[Karenina]

36. .

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[SnowGoose]

8. The photos don't only humiliate Sadam,

because he was the supreme head of state for so long, they humiliate Iraq as a nation, for which he is a symbol, even if he was unpopular.

On edit: I see Lynn beat me to it.

[dweller]

11. ABC nightly news reported it also, pics and all

more 'coverage' that will incite no violence i'm sure.

dp

[mr blur]

14. I agree with you all, but

it could not have been done without the connivance of our nastiest, grubbiest moronic daily newspaper here in the UK. Their respect for the average human being's dignity is about the same as the Chimp's. I guess they ran out of pics of "celebrities" (ie nonentities) 'accidentally' showing their underwear for today's edition.

[Bluebear]

16. It started with the photo though. Who would take such snapshots? nt

[IChing]

21. the military took the pictures

When he was under US control over a year ago.

[Bluebear]

25. Yes, I know, I mean who would take such photos as in

it's a distasteful thing to do at best, and it's worse to "release" the photos for whatever reason.

[TxGran]

35. Photos

The photos I found to be the most barbarous were the bodies of Saddam's sons.

[IChing]

18. No this picture was released to hide the torture reports from

Afghanistan and the Red Cross.

It was taken by the US military well over a year ago.

No body finds that odd?

They don't care about or think about world opinion, just manipulation of opinion

[ComerPerro]

15. Here's my beef with the Newsweek situation

These people, the radical muslim extremists, hate America so much, they hate everything we stand for, and they want to wipe us off the face of the earth because we are infadels, right? (according to the RW arguments)

So, there are several very strange circumstances with that whole mess.

One: Why would people who hate us so much be reading Newsweek? What would they possibly be looking for in there.

Two: Why would they be inclined to trust Newsweek? After all, they don't trust us, right?

Three: These people were upset and started killing because Newsweek reported the Quran story. So what was the reason cited for all the terror before the Newsweek story?

[Horse with no Name]

20. I doubt they read Newsweek

It is just that the activities sparked discussion in the foreign press.
When you consider all of the other atrocities committed by this administration, it doesn't make it hard to believe "just one more".

[babylonsister]

22. It seems to me Newsweek's source who backed out

might be a set-up by this admin. Let's foment more hate and discontent, then they might just manage to attack us somehow. And voila', there's the blivet to the rescue, kickin' ass and taking names in his desire to 'protect' us. :puke: And all else that's come before by this misadministration will be swept under the rug.

[sinkingfeeling]

37. That's why this quote is so great (from an earlier post here)...

"...........Fortunately, a few courageous Arab intellectuals, such as Abderrahman al-Rashed, have asked such things. Writing in Wednesday's Saudi daily Asharq Al Awsat, he said: "When thousands in Afghanistan are concerned about a report in a magazine that does not reach them, written in a language they do not speak, leading them to protest in a manner unprecedented among other Islamic nations that do speak English, the matter is worth pursuing further: it tells us more about the dangers of propaganda and its exploitation by opposition groups than it does about spontaneous popular sentiments.".............

[Frederik]

38. They didn't "start killing" by the way

The 17 were killed by Hamid Karzai's police force.

[dogday]

17. You Reap What You Sow

One of the first lessons we learn as kids. You make your bed, you gotta lie in it...

[rocktivity]

23. Didn't you get the memo? It's going to have the OPPOSITE effect

The Sun quoted U.S. military sources as saying they had handed over the pictures "in the hope of dealing a body blow to the resistance in Iraq."
link

Two problems, unfortunately:

1. Saddam supporters and the Iraqi resistance aren't necessarily one and the same. In fact, I'm willing to go as far as to supsect that the majority of the resistors are resisting Bush.
   
   
2. It might make the resistance more--well, resistant instead of more passive, putting our troops into even MORE danger.

Hope I'm not being a nitpicker...

:eyes:
rocknation

[IChing]

26. Nothing odd about the timing of the publication of pictures

Just that they were released by the US military that is up to the asses in torture reports.

[IChing]

29. I find this photo more distrubing

[dbonds]

30. So iraqi newspapers should be allowed to post pix of shrub in his skivies.

But please don't show them over here. My tummy couldn't handle it. But then again, when has the chimperor had clothes. At least you could see the mystery buldge on his back (not the little on in his skivies)

[Horse with no Name]

32. Even that isn't the same thing

Our culture doesn't really look at nudity the same way as their culture does.

[orpupilofnature57]

33. Right here! King George said ' In 200 years they will be a country full -

of lawyers. I think it was the accent, he said liars.*.*

[deadparrot]

34. Wow, imagine that...CuckooBananas is wrong about something?

Damn.