For the first time I am really worried about what lengths Republicans

[Quixote1818]

may be willing to go to retain power of everything. I am not the tin foil hat type at all! I am always the last person to believe in conspiracy theory's. Just a few days ago I still didn't believe the election was stolen because I tend to have some faith in the Mainstream press to check these things out. I am still very much on the fence about all that. However, just in the past couple of days, perhaps after reading about the post about Barbara Boxer in the grocery store, perhaps seeing the Bush administration attack Newsweek the way they did and not have hardly anyone from the mainstream media speak up out of fear. Perhaps it was how crystal clear Galloway made everything when he said "Mother of all smoke screens." Perhaps it was reading this story: http://www.wsws.org/articles/2005/may2005/bush-m21.shtml Perhaps it's a combination of everything. Recently I have found myself actually believing the Republicans truly have plans to do what ever they can to make sure they stay in power for good! Worst of all that perhaps they are willing to keep attacking country's to spread American influence and power. I still don't know what to think but something in the past few days has changed inside of me. I really am a little scared about what is happening in our government. Perhaps we are seeing the beginning a a "Star Wars" type story unfold right under the nose of the American people.

If Bush starts another War just before the midterm elections I truly worry how the American Public will react. Their is always a rally around the flag when a new war starts. Is Bush that insane or do they just need to rig the machines?

For the first time now when I look at Bush and the Neocons I truly see people who want absolute power and are willing to do anything to get it. When I say anything I mean anything!!! I see something almost evil like the power has control of them and their souls are gone.

Am I losing my mind or are their others who are seeing this? Is it as bad as I fear?

[chelsea0011]

1. I'm trying to figure out if they are running scared or

they are so arrogant that they think they are going to retain power for the next couple of generations. I think they are trying to do alot very quickly because they suspect their time is coming to an end.

[Quixote1818]

3. I hope you are right. nt

[HockeyMom]

5. Power for generations

with computer voting coming to a blue state nearest you, they are looking forward to even putting California and New York in their column.

[yurbud]

32. the whole Bush era is because their time is coming to an end

Polls consistently show racism and homophobia don't play well with the next generation of voters, who have also born the brunt of the conservative budget priorities (spiraling college tuition couple greater restrictions on getting financial aid).

The growing Latino minority makes their Southwest border scare tactic problematic too.

Most of all, people are seeing their approach to globalization is NOT dragging down the standard of living here, and the only think that keeps them from getting swept out of office on that issue alone is that most democrats seem to be bought off by corporations too--voters have nowhere to go on economic issues.

So if you hold a losing hand for holding power at the polls, you have to play the cards you do have propaganda, money, violence, and intimidation. These guys won't compromise or back down because that's not what they are paid to do. They are paid to take the wheel, steer where they're told, and hold on at all costs.

[leftofthedial]

2. let's see . . .

they politically assassinated a popular Dem president, spending tens of millions to ruin one man's reputation.

They committed massive election fraud, culminating in an illegal judicial coup.

They either allowed or caused the destruction of property and killed 3000 Americans.

They staged bioweapons attacks on leading opposition politicians.

They have systematically destroyed the Constitution.

they have spent hundreds of billions to illegally invade and occupy countries in order to enrich themselves and their cronies . . .

And you are just now worried aobut what lengths they'll go to?

It is FAR WORSE than what you say.

[Last Lemming]

14. You forgot Paul Wellstone n/t

[leftofthedial]

15. the sad thing is, I left out hundreds of other examples

murder, extortion, blackmail, theft, fraud . . .

this is the most corrupt regime in the history of the world

and we've been letting them get away with it for three generations already.

[thecai]

40. "Most Corrupt Regime In The History of The World"

great post, Leftofthedial"!
They have an agenda that they have promoted for decades.

[bpilgrim]

4. It's as bad as you fear and getting worse as time goes by

the more you learn the dangerous you will recognize the situation to be.

but by being informed you have a greater chance of effecting change.

remember, conspiracy is the main tool of heads of states and always has been when you look at the history.

the election was stolen twice.
bush knew about 911 before hand
we are now fighting ILLEGAl preventive war
patriot act
pnac
and now no compromise in the senate

things are very, very bad.

psst... pass the word

peace

[Occulus]

6. Oh, it's a scary feeling, isn't it?

I first experienced what you posted on the very first time I looked upon the person of *. This was before I ever heard him speak. It was a completely instinctive reaction.

At that moment, I realized all was not what it seemed. That was when I srarted digging into background information on * and his cohorts, and I haven't looked back since.

[mopaul]

7. fear the worst

cause that's what it is

[housewolf]

8. Since they have basically said as much

I think your tipping point was reached this past week and you woke up and are finally able to see things for what they are. Congratulations, some of the veil has lifted for you.

[necso]

9. I think that the neocons have great faith

in a number of (their) fundamentals that they expect to continue to form the basis for their (ongoing) power. These include: the extent of their current power (pre-existing dominance in selection terms); the unscrupulousness, ruthlessness and persistence with which they use this power; the effectiveness of their techniques (especially their pervasive psywar techniques, "party discipline" (smashing dissent and insisting on compliance) and dirty tricks); and their "read" of our "personalities" -- that we will not "abandon our principles" (this is how their agents in particular frame it) and do what we have to do to win back power in a massive way and crush them (this is the only way that we are going to have a reasonable chance to really serve our principles). (For it is only by winning massively that we can achieve the power that we need to undo the harm done by the neocons -- and make the real power-brokers and money-men behind the neocons look elsewhere for republican candidates. -- Anything less than sweeping wins will leave the neocons able to do to our future (slim) majorities what they have done to the old ones -- neuter and then overturn them.)

[cbear70]

10. agree

you are not losing your mind.. I fear the same thing and truly have been worried ever since this administration got in.

[Paula Sims]

11. The terrifying part is that history is repeating itself.

I'm not trying to compare this to the rise of Hitler, but the parallels with the actions of the US and those of the German people is scaring me. They too thought they were too culturally and intellectually above acting like sheeple but that's what they did. After the Hate-mongering of the Newt and his regime, Amerikanz wanted to hear about "uniting" and feeling good about themselves NOW. People compare 9/11 to Pearl Harbor but I think it's more akin to the German defeat in WWI and how they felt after the Treaty of Versailles; more in the sense of "how dare this happen to us" and "we'll show them." Right person, right time, baaaad results.

That said, I am REALLY a believer (hoper?) in Karma and the Pubz have got it coming. In the right way, proportionately. The only trouble will be the "collateral" damage along the way.

[slaveplanet]

12. I agree it's a scary situation

and many have gone through the inital fear. Their best weapon(media) is used to make you feel alone in your feelings, like your islolated.
Nothing could be further from the truth, there are many more good that stand for truth and liberty than you could possibly imagine.

They fear the truth. and the things that they fear are a weapon to be used against them. We are rapidly coming to a time when the ignorant will be eliminated, and those that stand will be those for the truth, and those for the lies...at that point, The ones for truth better be willing to lay their life down for the fight.

[wiggs]

13. They crossed the line a long time ago.

Absolute power corrupts absolutely.

It is as bad as you fear...and for someone on the fence you don't even have to believe that they knew something was going to happen around 9/11...don't even have to believe that someone, somewhere was controlling voting tabulators, even though I think there is more than enough suspicion to warrant all kinds of honest investigations on those issues.

Just look at the record of what most reasonable people can agree on and you will more than worried about not just the next 3 years but for a long time after that. It has taken more than two decades to align the stars in their favor: they control all three branches of government plus the media. The expenditure has been gigantic and control will not be given up anytime soon.

A very short list off the top of my head....we know:

Someone in the adminsitration outed an undercover CIA agent for political reasons

The WH consul wrote a memo allowing the administration to conduct torture

Someone besides Homeland Security elevated terror alerts over the objections of HS

The administration fixed intelligence and facts to lie to the world in order to conduct and illegal war

This group has literally smeared any insider who dissents or goes public with warnings (Clarke, ONeill, etc)

Even with only 7% of the public in favor of weakening environmental laws, this administration has gutted decades of environmental and human protections

The administration lied to congress and bribed one member to eke out a slim vote on a controversial Medicare bill

Newsweek, Helen Thomas, Dan Rather

Fake WH correspondents, fake propaganda news reports

Patriot Act

Tax cuts during wartime to run up gigantic deficits

Gagging Sibel Edmonds, who has important information, for reasons that are questionable

Promises to conduct 9/11 Commission II dismissed after 2004 elections

Smearing of McCain in 2000, Kerry in 2004

Sealing of presidential documents for twice as long as normal

Secret energy task force

Lobbyists in charge of regulatory departments

Demonization of Chavez and Ecuador's president

Unauthorized use of afganistan funds for Iraq (this is highly illegal)

Banning of democrats from committee discussions in congress

Use of Bush state campaign chairman who is also secretary of state (come on!)

Thousands of the same people inadvertantly denied a vote in Florida during 2000 elections were still on the felon list in 2004, in error

Dissent on scientific committees is not allowed

We destroyed, leveled, and laid waste to two entire cities in Iraq. The result is a humanitarian nightmare. We probably used banned weapons.


I'm going to quit...the list of scadals, problems, and power grabs goes on and on. The goal of the administration is complete control, with an important objective being the concentration of wealth and power in the world into fewer and fewer hands.

There are great books out there: Confessions of an Economic Hit Man, The Price of Loyatly, War and the American Presidency, John Dean's book about presidential secrecy, RFK Jr's Crimes Against Nature, House of Bush House of Saud...now that you've opened your mind to the possibility that this administration is unlike any other, you have some homework to do to understand it and then spread the word.

They are sophisticated, way ahead of the curve in terms of control of the public, dishonest beyond belief (literally), greedy, and serve the corporatocracy first, nation second. (Did you know that 52 of the world biggest 100 economies are corporations?). We are awakening to a reality that many of us find hard to believe...we find ourselves in a deep hole.

[SpiralHawk]

16. Wiggs, you wigged me out

Great rant. Rant on.

[ROH]

20. Powerful! Nominated.

[Just Me]

37. The neoCONcorporacrats have proven their willingness to murder democracy.

Isn't it stunning,...the list of secrets, lies, oppression, fraud, thievery, censorship, criminal behavior in which these evil DICTATORS have engaged!!!!

They have proven they are perfectly willing to assasinate democracy, the republic and the rights of her people, the country and the world in order to impose their power over the world. These men are empty of the kind of character necessary to hold power.

[XemaSab]

17. For the first time???

Every day bush has been in office has brought me at least one new reason why the guy is a dangerous, dangerous man and must be stopped.

Some days have even brought two reasons, and a certain day that shall not be named brought over 3000 reasons. Additionally, the Iraq war has brought 1600 American reasons and 100,000 Iraqi reasons.

[Quixote1818]

18. I guess I revert back to when Clinton was in office

and so many Republicans thought Clinton was up to the same things we think Bush is up to. It seems natural for the opposing side to unconsciously blow things out of proportion. However history has shown that people can become drunk with power and lose their minds and good intentions. People who are very religious and think Truth is on their side I believe tend to be more susceptible to this mental disease. In a nut shell they really need to see a psychologist and come back to reality! Such a simple answer to solve the problem yet without help these people can become extremely dangerous which I fear we are already seeing.

[RebelAgainstEmpire]

19. Power always tries

to centralize and consolidate. This administration happens to be just a little more overt about the process than most.

Don't be scared. Embrace the horror. We humans are a total freak show as it is. When you let go of the myth's that have been created by us, for us, it's freeing.

I seem to be a natural pessimist though. I really have no faith in humanity. We continuously fight the same battles over and over again. They took care of that Social Security thing 70 years ago, and yet here we are having that same fight, where the same forces that hated it then, are trying to destroy it now. It'll take a while sometimes, but it's the same crap all the time. Racism is still alive and well. Religious wars are still being fought. Somebody will still kill you for a buck. Although WW2 was a war against fasci...oh, wait, no, that's still around too.

And I'm always down for a good conspiracy. The official version of 9/11 is a conspiracy theory.

[Tigress DEM]

26. Welcome to the DU!

And yet dear friend, the good things in people are still there too.

Is it pessimistic to acknowledge that we humans will constantly have to keep working on ourselves to maintain civilization?

Who knew "racism" 150 years ago? Some people had slaves and some didn't.

The religious packaging has always been about power, but the spirit of the faith has always been what has held human kind together through the worst of things.

And now that there is more access via internet and such there is more accountablity. Yes these things have been going on for a long time, but I think there is going to be a massive shift in what is allowed to happen here without our consent from now on.

When all of the shit has hit the fan, the mess will be formidable, but cleaning it up will teach us to pay attention next time and the time after that and so on and so on.

[glitch]

21. They are definitely shooting the moon

But the hand is still in play, they may not make it.
Visualize that.

[bush_is_wacko]

22. Welcome to the "reality based" community!

You are definitely NOT alone in your awakening! I am seeing a whole lot of the old "reality based" community weaning themselves off the kool-aid. it is a rude and shocking awakening. Plan on spending a whole lot of sleepless nights until you get used to the idea. I am finally capable of LIVING again, but I am ALWAYS on the lookout for the next big move of the party. America is in the battle of it's life.

Conspiracy theories are OFTEN more truth than fiction. Wear your hat proudly. Your likely to need it in the coming months :tinfoilhat:

[Mr_Spock]

23. If these Repukes can't get elected without appealing to the end-timers

then they have a limited shelf life because all the Republicans except one that I know are NOT highly religious and they are a bit worried about these nut-bags themselves. They have an unholy (lol) alliance that they cannot hold together without doing something insane - which is why I'm worried also! :argh:

[Melynn]

24. They're going for total power

and they will do anything to get it. Anything.

You don't believe me. You watch and see.

[Tigress DEM]

25. The truth will set you free. Sure you may puke in fear a few times...

but you are right now at your most sane and rational you have ever been since this whole thing started.

A great book to help you over the hurdles is Paul Loeb's "The Impossible Will Take A Little While." He has brought together the writings of famous peacemakers and the little people who would not give up.

I've spent days pouring over the DU, just getting full of the pain and then having to duck out to heal a bit sometimes. Now I find my best balm is action.

I read something that I know needs media attention and I riffle off and email. My newspaper called me for weeks on end trying to woo me back and I told them. Write some real news and we'll talk. We are on a trial reconcilliation.

It's actually better than it was a few months ago and yet is still is as bad as you are seeing it from the aspect of how low those neocons will stoop. I remember trying to watch * deliver one of his State of the Union addresses and he was lying so much that I literally had to change the channel or hurl. It absolutely made me sick.

I realized that if other people knew the truth it would affect most of them the same way. This IS America. WE the PEOPLE DO stand for freedom and justice and mercy and we do not torture people. Yet we allowed it to be done in our name and we all have to take our share of the burden.

Luckily, there have been enough people awake and fighting and the momentum has really turned. Republicans are turning on * for his actions and WE really have to make sure Cheney and Hassert go too.

A main stream Republican columnist, Paul Craig Rogers has called for * to be impeached.

Calvin University in MI took out 2 ads, one from faculty, one from students saying "We aren't happy that you are our commencement speaker because of the things you have done in these last four years."

UN-prescedented. WoW.

There are physical records that link Bush, Cheney, the Govenator and Bush's family to the oil for food scandal they tried to pin on Galloway. Galloway handed them their asses.

The lies that built this administration are coming apart and we will have to step into the breech with love and truth and a bit of elbow grease. Still, if we are busy doing what needs to be done, it helps the fear ease back a little bit.

I think I'm getting my country back and I am cautiously optimistic. OK - who am I kidding? I am giddy with joy.

:patriot: :woohoo: :woohoo:

[murielkane]

27. Addiction to power is their curse

When I look at the dictators of the 20th century, I don't see a one who was motivated by nothing but raw power. Fascism was an ideology that Mussolini and Hitler actually believed in and that a majority of Italians and Germans shared. Communism was an ideology that Stalin believed in and that a majority of Russians shared. Both of those ideologies were idealistic in their way -- they gave their followers the feeling that they were part of a movement larger than themselves and were building a better tomorrow.

The Bushistas have no ideology. They offer Americans nothing larger to be part of, no hope for a better tomorrow. Their main appeals are to affluent, middle-aged white men who just want to hold onto what they've already got and to religious nubjobs who think the world is going to end in their own lifetimes. Even among those groups, their approach is to pander rather than inspire. To the extent that they still posture in the trappings of democracy, those postures will become increasingly hollow as more and more people wake up to the truth.

Power is nothing without legitimacy, and as their legitimacy seeps out through the cracks they will find that their power is useless to them. That is the end-point of where all this is going -- but it's also something of a race against time. If we can delegitimize them quickly enough, we may still save our democratic heritage. But if things more more slowly, if they have a chance to put all the tools of repression into place, we may be in for some very nasty times and possibly even a civil war that could rupture our social consensus for generations to come.

Soft landing or hard landing? That's what it really comes down to. But one way or another, we're surely going to land.

[BigBearJohn]

28. Yep..I worry too. Actually worried about G-men showing up at my door.

[Zorra]

29. Welcome to life outside the Matrix.

:hi:

[in_cog_ni_to]

30. As for the stolen elections/rigged evoting machine thingy...

Someone here on DU posted a theory about the nuclear option and the evoting machines. IF they use the nuclear option, they have total and complete control of the evoting machines. It means they have NO FEAR WHATSOEVER of the Democrats ever being in power again. If they didn't use the nuclear option, they don't have control of the machines and would be worried that the Dems could possibly be in power again, someday. :(

I say Diebold, ES&S and Sequoia are pretty well rigged/controlled by the GOP and we will NEVER win another election as long as those machines remain a part of our electoral process.

[Pacifist Patriot]

31. I went to see the new Star Wars movie yesterday.

I'll keep my opinions to myself about the film, but I was struck dumb by one line in the movie. "So this is how liberty dies. To the sound of thunderous applause." I think I got the line right. At any rate, the sentiment sent a stream of ice water threw my spinal chord.

Right after the 2002 mid-terms is when I came to the conclusion that the neocons will do everything to obtain absolute power and oppress anyone who does not subscribe to their ideology. I suspected it before that point, but that's when I became convinced.

[yurbud]

33. Star Wars will undermine Bush, consciously or unconsciously

The parallels are too great.


My girlfriend, who isn't political at all, elbowed me at a couple of points and said "Oh my god! That's just like Bush!"

It wasn't just lines either, but the whole thread of how Palpatine called the Jedis traitors for wanting to check his power and reign him in.

Or the part about thinking the war would be over "If we could just catch General Grievous..." and of course the war is over precisely when the emperor needs it to be over.

[bpilgrim]

38. just what i was thinking after 911 and the signing of the PATRIOT ACT

and the chimps 'glorious' speeches telling the world to LOOK OUT :cry:

peace

[seabeyond]

34. i was never a conspiracy theorist either and took pride in it

but over the last couple years i think there has been so many "coincidences" that the reality based me cant buy them all. i play by odds. and odds are just not in favor for all these coincidences.

i watched too closely and to many hours the run up of election. i dont know why people say it wasnt stolen, just fron the literal outloud what we saw with our eyes facts. but reading your post took me a step further, which i appreciate.

they arent doing anything about 2006 that i can see. i cannot get behind any leader becasue i know they are being taken, 2002 they practiced 2004 they did it nation wide. i am thinking if the democrats dont take this seriousl, maybe the we the people need to organize and put safe guards. instead of using this time to only find people to run, we need to organize across the naion, to have people placed to be somehow polling the voting places. so we have uor numbers of what the vote should be to have a clear picture of what was stolen

[Jose Diablo]

35. It was republicans that snuffed Kennedy, both of them

MLK and Malcomb X. They tried to kill FDR, but messed-up by 'trusting' one they though was their own.

It was the republicans that funded and pushed eugenics and gave Hitler the money to establish a police state in Germany.

The list of their crimes runs deep, but rather than deal with these people with justice, they were given a free pass to come back time and time again.

We have seen an war against Iraq in the early 90's that was a set-up caused by their very own in Kuwait slant drilling into Iraqi oil fields.

We have seen them attempt to remove a popularly elected president with some bimbo placed in his office.

We have watched them steal our votes. Attack us in NYC then use that attack as justification to scrap protections we had in the Bill of Rights.

They have subverted an investigation, by placing their operatives into a committee to fix the outcome of that investigation, into the events of that attack in NYC, twice. They have allowed perjury and obstruction of justice in those investigations.

They started a war in Afghanistan, supposedly for the purpose of bringing justice for that attack in NYC, yet that war in Afghanistan was planned long before the event of the attack in NYC. That war in Afghanistan was discussed in the G8 meeting in July, 2001. Two months before the attack in NYC. That war was discussed in a French newspaper article in June, 2001, before the attack in NYC. Does the phrase "carpet of gold or a carpet of bombs" jog any memories?

They took money authorized by congress to be used in Afghanistan to plan the next war with Iraq. Using this money they forged documentation and cooked intelligence reports to justify a war with Iraq.

The war with Iraq was planned long before the attack in NYC. Witness the obstruction of releasing information relating to Energy Meetings held in February, 2001 chaired by Vice President Cheney, were it was confirmed that some discussions were held in regards to Iraqi oil field locations. Could it be that in that meeting, land plats were being sold to oil companies and thats why this administration needs the meeting notes kept secret? Then after all the FOA lawsuits, a judge appointed by Bush I, says that meeting is not subject to open meeting laws.

This ruling is right-up there with a Judge Silberman (previously a Reagan/Bush election worker) decides to release Oliver North from a perjury conviction relating to these same Republicans committing treason in the Iran Contra investigation. This very same Judge Silberman I might add was also appointed to the committee investigating the events relating to the attack on us in NYC.

After lying to congress to obtain a war declaration against Iraq, this administration 'preemptively' waged a war against another nation, which was no threat to us, and they knew this other country was not a threat, but they wanted the money.

And you wonder at what length these republicans will go to stay in power? I think they will try to take it all the way. And I for one am looking forward to the time they try this.

[RBHam]

36. The Cheney Energy Plan...

Even before 9-11, Cheney's energy task force were planning to make PNAC's wet dreams come true.

That was confirmed for me when the five corrupt supreme court justices decided that Cheney's Treachery had to remain hidden.

[thecai]

39. Why Would Anyone Believe "The Powerful" Would Never Conspire...

...to commit fraud or crimes? It's been going on for centuries.
Even Hitler did it EASILY because he gained the trust of people who would never believe in conspiracy theories.

[LunaC]

41. My epiphany came with "PNAC 101"

I had lots of pieces to the puzzle and when I put it all in chronological order the Big Picture emerged. (See link in my sig line.) It simultaneously depressed me, angered me, and scared the crap out of me. Yes, we have every reason in the world to be afraid....very, VERY afraid for the future.

[LibertyorDeath]

42. They are the most corrupt group of "politicians" America has ever seen

Rule of thumb.

It's always worse than you think

They don't give a flying fuck about the American Public

or Public service to their Country.

They are Fascists in Republican clothing.

They worship Power & Control