Anyone watching Howard Dean on MTP?

[demo dutch]

[LosinIt]

1. You betcha!

[Coexist]

2. not on here yet.

[immoderate]

3. Same here. I'm in FL also.

How's he doing?

--IMM

[gulliver]

4. Just screwed up.

Confused Osama with Saddam. Said Osama had nothing to do with 9/11. Russert did not correct him.

[demo dutch]

6. I hate Russert! He tries to corner people to they have to be on the

defensive

[patricia92243]

8. Not people - just Democrats. If he were a Republican, I wonder how the

exact same interview would be carried out.

[demo dutch]

9. I meant to say that! I never forgave him for what he did during the

FL Governor's debate!

[Al-CIAda]

29. Actually that is what a reporter/interviewer is SUPPOSED to do

IMO- its just that he is the best of friends with republicans, and hostile to Dems.

[BringEmOn]

7. Russert Knew...Too???

[TheFarseer]

17. He screwed up but

any reasonable host would have corrected him. I wonder if he didn't correct him on purpose. He's making other mistakes too. It looked kind of weird when he said, "we shouldn't lecture each other on our ethical problems" after he just finished talking about Tom Delay's ethical problems. Now, I know what he meant and I agree but it sounded kind of bad.

[gulliver]

20. The "ethical lecturing" stuff struck me the same way.

And I agree that Russert should have corrected Dean.

[Kurovski]

43. Delays specific problems have gone beyond

discussions of general ethical behavior into problems with legality.

Anywho, that's my take on the matter.

[Renew Deal]

24. He just left it out there.

Russert knew, but he didn't say a word.

[me b zola]

28. "any reasonable host would have corrected him. "

Thats what we were saying as we watched. Instead, Russert didn't correct him and we all know that this will be turned into a stupid sound bite that Dems will have to explain; one more thing to keep the rethugs from having to take responsibility for driving this country into a deep, dark abyss.

Overall, though, Dean did very well.

[okieinpain]

38. yep gotcha politics, it will be the talking point till the next election.

[slaveplanet]

42. Russet didn't correct him

because he plans on chopping that down to a nice little soundbite for the next time dean appears on MTP.

[demo dutch]

5. I'm watching it in Florida! via direct TV came on at 9 AM

He's doing ok. Talking about the war right now, saying president lied but not touching the actual memo yet. Ok that was that, talking about Limbaugh right now, hypocrisy etc.
On abortion right now, Russert suggesting Dems are changing their views on abortion. HW explaining it's about the right to choose

[Pryderi]

10. Downing St. Memo Why isn't it being made an issue?

IT'S PISSING ME OFF! The Downing St. Memo is the perfect opportunity to launch and investigation of the WH and derail the neo-con agenda!!

WHERE ARE THE DEMOCRATS??? WHY AREN'T THEY FLOODING THE TALK SHOWS AND DISCUSSING IT???

[sweettater]

11. Why?

I'll tell you why. The democrats are in as deep as the republicans. Come on, they are both complicit in all this. We need to realize this. The sooner the better.

[Pryderi]

12. Wrong. The WH duped

Congress. Decisions were made on bogus and incomplete information provided by the WH

[sweettater]

23. IMO

in a decision to go to "war" Congress should have dug deeper. There were many compelling reasons known and many experts that said this was a major mistake. I blame both parties.

[kaitykaity]

25. Do you blame them both equally?

Just curious.

[sweettater]

44. Does it really make a difference?

it's just a good ole boys and (girls) crowd. Sure the democrats throw us a few crumbs once in a while to make us think they are the opposition to this roughshod administration but it's a mutual admiration club.

[kaitykaity]

45. Yeah. It makes a huge difference.

Number one, YOU'RE ON A DEMOCRATIC BOARD.

Number two, that's just stupid. (The post, mods, the post.)

The Bushies are criminals. War criminals, economic
criminals.

The Demcracts are out of power.

If you think all of Wasington is corrupt and beyond
saving, well, I hope you live in a cave and don't have
a retirement and don't use money for anything, because
if you're right the world as we know it is about to
end and there's nobody who's going to do anything about
it. It's all hopeless and we should jsut all
give up.

:sarcasm: off

[sweettater]

46. I realize this is a democratic board

I am just hoping that the American people are going to wake up. Maybe a 3rd party is not a bad idea. Oh, and btw the democrats could speak up. After Galloway's testimony all HELL should be breaking loose! If I am banned from here I guess that'll be number 2 as I was banned from freeperville a few years ago.

[kaitykaity]

47. You won't get banned for expressing a differing opinion here.

(unless it's conservative of course).

You'll get smacked around for expressing stupid
opinions though.

I've been wanting the American people to wake up
since December 12, 2000. A third party didn't
help then, it sure won't help now.

Pay close attention to what Howard Dean is doing
as far as building our party from the grassroots up
and taking back the language to frame the debate our
way. That's how we're going to beat these people.

You gotta figure the media's against the Dems, both
the MSM and the RW wacknuts. We're fighting against
really long odds.

This post answers your memo question better than
I could.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=3705425#3705515

[sweettater]

48. You seem very insightful

one question that really bothers me. I am going to mention freeperville again. Over there when I visit on occasion, they rant on and on that the MSN is adamantly against the repubs and sucking up to the dems. Here it is just the opposite. Can't be both ways. Which is it? I still stand by my view that the dems need to get out in front of things. Esp. concerning the Downing Street Transcript. Thanks for your input.

As far as my stoopid opinions, noone's opinion is stupid. That's what opinions are for, to express how one feels.

[kaitykaity]

49. Oh, that the "myth of the liberal media" thing.

Check out Eric Alterman's book, "What LIberal Media?"
to get you started.

http://www.whatliberalmedia.com/

Then check out David Brock's site, Media Matters for
a daily critique of how the MSM constantly gives the
Thugs a pass.

http://mediamatters.org

If that doesn't convince you, you might want to check
out Robert McChesney's book "Rich Media, Poor Democracy."
http://www.robertmcchesney.com/

And excerpts from "The Media Monopoly" by Ben Bagkakian.
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Media/MediaMonopoly_Bagdikian.html

The FReeps are full of shit on this one.

Did you read the post I put up about Dean and the
memo? The percolation analysis is spot on.


On edit: Apologies for being so blunt about the "stoopid"
thing. Like I said I was ready for a battle. Maybe
"uninformed" would be better. Less blunt anyway.

[sweettater]

50. Thanks for the links

It has been a pleasure conversing with you. ;-) NO :sarcasm: intended.

[kaitykaity]

51. Yeah, I was ready to have a battle.

What a pleasant surprise.

:hi:

Thank you.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

33. I agree. If anyone recalls Boxer's statement during the Rice

confirmation hearings, Boxer knew. If she knew that Bush was trying to dupe the American people, why didn't other senators and representatives know???? Heck, I knew that the WMDs didn't exist. Scott Ritter was exceptionally vocal, and with a little research at the IAEA site helped confirm.

[Toots]

27. You can't possibly believe that

Every Democratic leader at the time was saying that Saddam did have WMDs and needed to be taken out. Hillary, Bill, Kerry, Gore, all of them. They all said the intelligence was accurate and Bill Clinton and Al Gore were in a position to actually know the facts. None of them said that Saddam planned on attacking us though. that was only the GOP.

[Al-CIAda]

30. THAT is what he SHOULD have said. Damn, they're hopeless. n/t

[Protagoras]

32. Congress was duped but half of DU wasn't?

Seems kinda strange to me that we'd be asking questions leading up to it all while Congress, the poor, simple bastards that they are, had no glimmer or smidgen of an idea that they were being led around by the nose?

Kinda like them showing Shock and Awe when they find out that the 1000 page bill they voted for without reading had some pork stashed in it back on page 679....unbelievable!

Dennis Kucinich wasn't duped. Almost all the others just didn't care, or believed that the votes and donations were more important than asking questions.

I don't excuse them.

[Pryderi]

40. Congressmen don't get the same intel as the President!

Bush and his administration only gave evidence that supported Iraq's WMD programs. This is exactly what the Downing St. Memo addressed!

President Bush wanted to militarily oust Saddam Hussein and warned that Washington intelligence was "being fixed around the policy," and that “We should work up a plan for an ultimatum to Saddam to allow back in the UN weapons inspectors. This would also help with the legal justification for the use of force.” Also, the memo mentions that, “that the desire for regime change was not a legal base for military action."

The following is a brief timeline of statements made by members of the Bush administration that take on new meaning, in light of the leaked Downing Street Memo.

On February 13, 2002, in testimony given by Secretary Colin Powell to the House Appropriations Subcommittee on Foreign Operations, Export Financing, and Related Programs, Powell stated:
“At the end of the day, we have not ruled out other options with respect to Iraq. We still believe strongly in regime change in Iraq”
President Bush’s during his State of the Union Address on January 28, 2003, he stated:

“The British government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa. Our intelligence sources tell us that he has attempted to purchase high-strength aluminum tubes suitable for nuclear weapons production.”
Both of those claims later proved to be false.

It’s unfortunate that the Bush Administration demands more from Newsweek than it does from itself, when reporting information.

[demo dutch]

14. He's just addressing the lies and saying it' been "written about"

that's as far HD went

[demo dutch]

13. That was that... I can't stand Russert, he kept steering the conversation

so Dean had to talk about himself, rather than the issues

[DemonFighterLives]

15. Watching now thanks for the heads up

Druggy limblob now. Hypocrisy is a value embraced by the republicans.

[kaitykaity]

16. I didn't hear Dean mention the Downing Street memos.

But I was channel flipping through the commercials.

I liked the "framing the debate" stoff and Dean's focus
on building the party from the bottom up.

Tim was at his whorish best, but he gave Dean the whole
hour, which will cause howls of outrage from the Lords
of Loud.

[Pryderi]

39. John Dean from 2 years ago said...

In an article dated July of 2003:

“Manipulation or deliberate misuse of national security intelligence data, if proven, could be "a high crime" under the Constitution's impeachment clause. It would also be a violation of federal criminal law, including the broad federal anti-conspiracy statute, which renders it a felony "to defraud the United States, or any agency thereof in any manner or for any purpose."
It's important to recall that when Richard Nixon resigned, he was about to be impeached by the House of Representatives for misusing the CIA and FBI. After Watergate, all presidents are on notice that manipulating or misusing any agency of the executive branch improperly is a serious abuse of presidential power.”

The Founding Fathers had some thoughts regarding the impeachment of the president.

James Iredell, a future Supreme Court justice, speaking at the Constitutional Convention of 1787 said,
"... must certainly be punishable for giving false information to the Senate. He is to regulate all intercourse with foreign powers, and it is his duty to impart to the Senate every material intelligence he receives. If it should appear that he has not given them full information, but has concealed important intelligence which he ought to have communicated, and by that means induced them to enter into measures injurious to their country, and which they would not have consented to had the true state of things been disclosed to them, -- in this case, I ask whether, upon an impeachment for a misdemeanor upon such an account, the Senate would probably favor him."

[proud2BlibKansan]

18. yepper

Howard's in the house :)

[napi21]

19. Republicans have always been better at raising $$.

NO SH*T! That's because they're the party of Corps and the wealthy!!!

[proud2BlibKansan]

21. Russert just compared Howard to

John Bolton???

[napi21]

22. Oh man! Russert compared Dean to Bolton!

Dean handled it well. First response was a a hearty laugh, and he said he respects people, Bolton doesn't.

[Armstead]

26. Thumbs up overall

Despite a few stumbles, Dean is doiung what needs to be done. Talking straight and -- more important -- NOT BACKING DOWN.

[rocktivity]

31. Aw be honest, Howard

You stayed out of Schiavo controversy because you were too wrapped up in the Social Security fight. You staye out of it because wanted the to have the stage all GOP to when they fell over themselves!

:headbang:
rocknation

[Al-CIAda]

34. I'm giving Dean a 'C+', sorry but thats how I'm calling it.

It appears 'they' have reigned him in sucessfully. Ho-hum, no one dare speak truth anymore. He's in a difficult spot though, as his spineless party is so cowed he can't say too much else he appear to be a 'wild eyed mavrick' who is percieved to be out of step.


Where is the outrage? Criminals are in the WH...my frustration turns to dispair.

My kingdom for a Galloway....

[halobeam]

37. I'm right there with you.

I found Dean to be weak. He made great points, but these points are practically SIDE notes to the disaster of a mess this country is in right now.

Shame on him for not ripping into the heart of the matter. I'm so pissed off right now, I need a break from this. Damn... we are NOT MISERABLE ENOUGH TO GET OUTRAGED AND UN-ACCEPTING OF THIS...



ARE WE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Wake me when we are all starving and in the freakin' streets.

[blueblitzkrieg]

35. Russert sounds like he got his questions straight from the RNC. nt

[tsuki]

36. Meet the Press should be renamed. Meet the Poodles.

[Dervill Crow]

41. Not as good as I'd hoped for

but definitely better than the repug lovefest that I saw later on Face the Nation.

Even though he misspoke at least twice that I caught, I wish Dean was our president. He obviously has a brain in his head. Russert's a whore.

I hate Sundays.

Excuse the flight of ideas in this post; it's the cold medicine typing.