Listen to Clark NOW

[StephNW4Clark]

Make up your minds, but listen to him now at his speech at the U of Iowa.

http://wsui.uiowa.edu/

[davidinalameda]

1. let's keep this kicked

and welcome Steph

[StephNW4Clark]

2. I'm so new here

...I don't know what 'Kicked' means. Please explain??

[Name removed]

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[Maudlin]

4. Moved to the top of the page.

Everytime a thread gets a post, it moves back to the top of the page in the Lobby. 'Kicking' a thread is posting on it so it won't fall off the first page, because you think more people should see it.

[davidinalameda]

22. kicked just means keeping something at the top of the page

as in "kick this back to the top"

[Dookus]

5. Moving....

Sorry folks, but this isn't really LBN. You can find it in GD.

Thanks a lot.

Dookus
DU Moderator

[ima_sinnic]

6. yes, everybody should hear this

just what I wanted to hear: war stories.
oh, and we "won" the Cold War.

[jumptheshadow]

7. Clark: We're not a "with us or against us," people

We are a "come join us" people.

Make the world safe by building bridges to other people.

[blessedleader]

50. best line!

Greeted very enthusiastically!!

[jumptheshadow]

8. U.N. was built as an institution to help protect our interests overseas

Use international institutions, don't condemn and abuse them.

NATO helps us share burdens of leadership.

Can get standing ovations for anti-U.N. stance, but U.N. needs American leadership and participation.

[jumptheshadow]

9. Force should be used on as a last resort...

And only when other means have failed.

[jumptheshadow]

10. Not only is it right to be cautious...

but it makes sense, you can't change their minds when you are bombing and killing them.

[Starpass]

12. yep, sounds like war stories and how viscious all military men are

sure enough, yep. Damn he's straying from the military-kill-kill script that others want him to speak. (sarcasm)

[janekat]

27. Gosh - I hope he's not doing any of that mind control stuff....

he might turn us all into zombies....

Scary!!!!

[DoveTurnedHawk]

29. The Mind Control Thing TOOK THE CAKE

I was rolling!

DTH

[QC]

57. What was the bit about Haitian men with bosoms?

I never figured out that part.

[jumptheshadow]

11. Focus on the terrorists

Don't distract by going after states. Go after Al Qaeda; Saudi Arabia, Pakistan and to a lesser extent Egypt are the central fronts in the war on terror.

[jumptheshadow]

13. North Korea: Frankly, I don't understand what's going on

We should have talked to North Korea a year ago.

[sandnsea]

14. Text transcript

Can you Clark supporters be sure and watch for a text transcript of this speech and post it. My computer is right smack in the middle of the house so I don't use sound. But it sounds like I'm definitely going to want to read this. "We're not a you're with us or against us nation". Thank God. Thank God. Somebody finally said it.

[jumptheshadow]

15. We need the compassion to help others achieve what we have

eom

[IranianDemocrat]

16. deleted

misquote

[kalash477]

17. I only heard the last 15-20 minutes

and what I heard was GREAT! Id like to see GWBush quote a Carl Sandberg poem like that. And understand it. Any problems?

[jumptheshadow]

26. That was an interesting touch

Didn't JFK used to quote Sandberg?

[CWebster]

18. Is this a centrist board?

Was an all points bulletin sent out to recruit all these new Clark fanatics? There is an awful lot of new names singing the same verse and it is fucking boring. Clark is fucking boring and his naive supporters are fucking boring.

All of the consciousness raising and political sophistication has been replaced by juvenile pep rallies for Sir General. What a gift for Bush and his legacy--the Democrats are in a frenzy to elect a Republican. Cheers.

[Name removed]

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[Bertrand]

31. I guess "youre a joke" is a personal attack worthy of ban

This board really needs to loosen its overzealous approach to moderation if i cannot point out that CWebsters continous anti-clark campaign is pathetic to the point that he now uses crude vulgarity to get his point across. whatever.

[DoveTurnedHawk]

23. You're So Warm, CWebster

Way to make the new members feel welcome!

I'm sorry this board isn't the private back yard of you and your ilk, but I for one am glad to see our membership grow. Progressives of all stripes are welcome here, last I checked, and that includes Democrats who support Clark.

Even though it must bug the hell out of you, which I find incredibly amusing.

DTH

PS: Welcome to DU, Steph! Don't let the Clark-haters get you down, there are a lot of us Clark supporters here too! And thanks so much for the link, I caught most of it, it was an awesome speech!

[CWebster]

35. Clark will fail

and you will fade back into the obscurity from whense you came.

Progressives don't rally around DLC frontmen, sold to them overnight, with the argument that only by being and endorsing Republicans as Democrats, who mouth Democratic buzz words--just like Bush did, but serve a corporate master, can Democrats win. That means Democrats have bought the Republican version and play by their rules.

But hold up that illusion you must, for that is all it is, just like the Chimp's illusions about the glory of invading Iraq, any questioning and dissent is taboo. So, try as you might to stem the tide and hold back that insurmountable reality that your messiah has feet of clay, the day will come - it always does.

Tell me, if Bush was coached to repeat the right script, maybe the Democrats should consider running Bush as a Democrat---it would certainly put an end to all those complaints from the Republicans and the swing voters.

[DoveTurnedHawk]

37. LOL!!!

You just get funnier and funnier! I can see you in my mind's eye, frothing in an apoplectic fit.

Oh, and by the way...

and you will fade back into the obscurity from whense you came.

...I'm pretty sure I was here before you, and at no time was I ever obscure. ;-)

Hugs and Kisses,
DTH

[CWebster]

42. You know, you may've been

but what matters is I wasn't aware that you were around - and that is a good enough reason as any to enjoy Clark's halo start to tarnish-- the puffery and wannabe-freep-Dems will scuttle back into their dusty, dark holes after their big 15 minutes in the light.

[DoveTurnedHawk]

44. I Guess Time Will Tell

Both with respect to Clark's nomination, and with respect to where I'll be after the primaries are over. :-)

Chuckling,
DTH

[DemocratSinceBirth]

41. "and you will fade back into the obscurity from whense you come."

Like we really matter in the comsmic scheme of things...

It's not like we're Emma Goldman and John Reed discussing the proper "take" on the Russian Revolution....

You take this board way too seriously....

[Name removed]

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[DemocratSinceBirth]

48. And

watch those freepersih red-baiting tendencies from raising up from down in that old-brain primal place you just got no natural control over. It's the nature of the beast."


Wow....

I guess that atavistic urge for primordial violence that harbors deeps inside you that needs to be excised can only be excised by the most wondrous and anonymous of inventions- the internet...

But hey... With Caller ID and *69 folks can't get their fix of verbal violence via the telephone....


But as two English wags once said "whatever gets you through the night."

<kisses>

Brian

[davidinalameda]

24. there are moderates on here

moderates can be progressives as well

:hi:

[Pepperbelly]

28. CWebster thinks the board belongs to her and ...

her buddies.

Of course, I rmember when most of them drove up but hey ... only the ultra-lefties should be allowed.

:eyes:

[Julien Sorel]

32. But you can't stop posting about Clark.

Endlessly. Things that bore me, I tend to ignore. The advantages of being a rational person...

[GiovanniC]

33. If Clark "fucking bores" you

And his supporters "fucking bore" and everything Clark-related "fucking bores" you then why in the hell would you click on a thread called "Listen to Clark NOW"?

[Bertrand]

36. lol

that was pretty funny :D

[DoveTurnedHawk]

38. I Can Think of Lots of Reasons

None very flattering.

:evilgrin:

DTH

[CWebster]

39. LOL

Why, it was the first one on the page followed by pages and pages, upon pages and pages...

[DoveTurnedHawk]

40. I See a Beam in Your Eye

Seeing how the majority of the Clark threads these days appear to be started by haters, I think you can point the finger for that annoyance right back at yourself and your compatriots.

DTH

[janekat]

52. LMAO!!!

too funny!!

[DemocratSinceBirth]

34. Where's The Love?

<kisses>


Brian

[janekat]

43. Hon - I'm sure I'm waay to the left of you and I support Clark -

I can only assume that I am one of the posters that you directed that venom towards because I'm new and I've written several posts about how I support Clark...

Not that I really have to explain this to you BUT I'm supporting ANYONE who will kick that current asshole out of office. I don't enjoy losing - unlike a lot of people on this board appparently. I've been on a ton of campaigns that have come in second place - and if your candidate loses - they - and their ideas just go away. They are ALL forgotten.

To be quite frank, there is NO-ONE out of all of the current Dem candidates who are as far to the left as I am - not even Kuchinich. CERTAINLY not the "pretend progressive" Nader. I could run out and vote for the Socialist candidate - but I really don't see the point.

I suppose you are one of those "noble" people who goes out and votes for a person like Nader and feels soooo morally superior to everyone else. Well other than a "self-satisfied" feeling - what did that give you and everyone else in this world? Have you noticed the world changed because you ran out and voted for Nader? Has that progressed this country at all?

When you vote a candidate in to office or ALLOW a candidate to be voted into office you are not only dealing with 4 years of policies - you are dealing with judges (both Federal and Supreme Court) who will be there for 10, 20, 30, 40 years.

[CWebster]

53. That was quite a contemptious lecture against Nader and the Left

Comes natural, I bet.

Here is what gives you away. Your insistance that the most Republican of the candidates--with a history of militarism, is the preferrable winning face the Left should promote to win... that is not only a sell-out but a confession that Republican values are the only worthy ones.

What is the point of winning?

Before I hung out here, I frequented another politically mixed board--a few progressives and Greens (extremely detailed well-researched arguments from the Greens),a few clowns, a few moderates and mobs of reactionary free market thugs and pompous Republican misogynsts. Damn if this place isn't starting to feel that way.

[janekat]

55. Actually - it was mainly a contemptious lecture against you

Oh I'm sorry!!!! I hope you don't mind me posting again - being a newbie does that mean I'm supposed to ask you for permission to post?

[DoveTurnedHawk]

56. You Go!

That was RIGHTEOUS!

DTH

[janekat]

58. thanks - I don't know what got in to me....

...that post just got me going on a roll.

[Clark Can WIN]

49. Mommy, the new kids don't like my candidate

[janekat]

51. why don't you take your ball and go home..... n/t

[oasis]

54. I'll take boring over the criminal in the White House any day.

:bounce:

[ronzo]

19. Thanks for the link steph...

I needed that.

[ima_sinnic]

20. Actually, I ended up liking that very much

Nobody can argue with that vision.
Very good statesman who would work well with international leaders.

[DoveTurnedHawk]

25. Thank You!

I really appreciate your willingness to listen with an open mind!

DTH

[Pepperbelly]

30. I appreciate your candor and ...

willingness to listen to the man. He is a far cry from the bugaboo that many have tried to paint him as and I think that what I said initially about him will pan out true: he may well be the most progressive person in the race and the righties will be unable to counter it with their usual bullshit.

[KittyWampus]

46. With the exceptionof Dennis K.

"he may well be the most progressive person in the race" (or at least be on par)

"and the righties will be unable to counter it with their usual bullshit."

Pepperbelly, for a while my mantra was that Progressives need to wrap their message and proposals up in a MODERATE package.

Every candidate is selling himself and his views... it's not just a matter of WHAT those views are !

IT'S A MATTER OF HOW THEY ARE PERCIEVED!

How the hell did Junior get close enough to steal the election? HE RAN AS A MODERATE!

[Pepperbelly]

59. Wesley Clark used a phrase once about Whistle-ass that should ...

be developed into a regular part of a stump speech --the bait-and-switch administration.

[DemExpat]

47. I cant' find the Clark speech anywhere on that site.....

could someone point this blind person in the right direction?
:D

DemEx

[phegger]

61. I don't think it's there any more...

...it was a live webcast.


-ph B-)

[MrPrax]

60. Clark is the Man

This is impeccable reasoning...

A Clark/Powell candidacy would give the Democrats the first black presidential nominee. Clark/Powell would checkmate Jesse Jackson. He would hold and probably even expand the Democratic base -- especially among Southerners, people who like soldiers and heroes, who've abandoned the Democratic Party. Clark/Powell would also win a lot of Republicans. He'd get his share of moderate Republicans and others uneasy with the growing influence of the Religious Right in the GOP. He would win all the wobblies -- in part because Clark/Powell is a wobbly himself. He would win many of the Perotistas, Rush Limbaugh's "ditto-heads" and others fed up with career politicians.

http://www.annapolisinstitute.net/archives/commentary/pb1994211.html

heh...clark might get the black vote as well