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nostamj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-03 05:10 AM
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> 16 Words: the story about the Story is becoming the STORY
> 16 Words: the story about the Story is becoming the STORY

I confess to being a bit stunned over the lacipetersonsharkchandraconditization of the Niger lie story all over the media today and tonight.

But, predictably, the story is sideslipping into a story about the story. “This isn’t going away.” “The President considers this a closed issue.” “In his dreams...”

The whores are covering the coverage.

Of course, Fox is annoyed. The ‘commentary’ I’ve heard was basically: Why is anyone talking about this? I mean, mass graves and he gassed his own people.

But elsewhere the dialog is turning from ‘talking about this lie’ to ‘talking about why we’re talking about this lie.’ Not the best thing.

but it is sweet that they've played that soundbite excessively. (though I wish they'd add the 'mushroom cloud' bite)

Brezezinski, on Weekend Edition was the most devastating commentator and it will be interesting to see if there is ANY follow-up to his comments. Those transcripts must be sent far and wide.

And Graham was solid when he said it was not about Tenet, it was about Bush and the record of secrecy and deceit.

The Niger lie is tiny compared to the Hussein/al Qaeda/9-11 linkage lie.

And there was never an imminent threat to any of Saddam’s neighbors, much less the US.

The push for the INVASION of Iraq by BushCo is THE MOTHER OF ALL LIES.

If Rove finesses this into a dialog on questioning the president's candor and honesty in presenting a case for INVASION, we're in deep deep shit.
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ROakes1019 Donating Member (434 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 07:18 PM
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1. the story
I agree with your assessment. Graham and Brezenzinski were
admirable today.  I've been thinking that Graham lacked the
charisma to make a good run against Bush but today I felt the
greatest confidence in his calm, reasoned comments.  I hope to
see him on the Dem ticket, either as pres or VP.  And
Brezenzinski was actually laughing at (gosh, I can't remember
the stupid old Repug ex-Sec of State's name) you know whom I
mean.
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nostamj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 07:26 PM
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2. "you know whom I mean"

KISSENGER.

who was SO blindsided he was a sputtering, inarticulate mess.

I get the distinct feeling that Brezenzinski was NOT 'on message' today...

what that means... I don't know!
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tsipple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 07:45 PM
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3. Vamping Until the Next Development
There's 24 hours per day of "news" to fill, so the endless, mindless chatter continues. Here are some possibilities for how the story keeps it legs (or grows some extra ones):

1. "Somalia 2" video of dead American(s) dragged through Iraqi streets, crowd cheering.
2. Iraqi oil pipeline explosion.
3. Shooting of new Iraqi government leader(s).
4. More revelations from the U.K. intelligence services.
5. Aluminum tubes known-before-the-fact falsehoods.
6. Document (or person) giving evidence that the Bush Administration had a plan to "sell the war."
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symbolman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 07:50 PM
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4. Andrew CARD
talked about not selling the war as product before it was ready in August of two years ago, was it?

He was making a statement about not trotting it out that summer..
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nostamj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 09:19 PM
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7. this "war" wasn't sold...
it was spammed.

relentless HATE, FEAR & IGNORANCE
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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 07:56 PM
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5. None of 'the case' can withstand scrutiny
I don't see any chance for finessing in that area. What is amazing is that things we've known for months and *thought* were important news, are being treated as important news!

Now the al qaeda connections are also being re-debunked. Good! It can ALL be debunked now that the media is motivated to look at it.

If they want a story about why now, of course they'll go into the campaign. But the worsening situation in Iraq coupled with easily sourced FACTS that they never bothered to cover will drive the story.

I really think this is it. The jig's up.
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berry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 08:09 PM
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6. Transcript is UP--here's the link
http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0307/13/le.00.html

The title doesn't even mention Kissinger and Brzesinski, but they are there, about half way down. (The rest has some interesting bits too, but this segment is a keeper--and something to send far and wide!) I know some people think B has some ulterior motives (and maybe he does), but even he can't always control the consequences of his words and actions. And I do think people will run with this.
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nostamj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-03 07:59 AM
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8. "destroys American global credibility"
BRZEZINSKI: And the larger problem is that the United States stated, at the highest level, repeatedly, without any qualification whatsoever, that Iraq was armed with weapons of mass destruction. Not just nuclear, but bacteriological and chemical. And that was stated without any ambiguity. In fact it was hyped. It was stated that Iraq is armed with the most dangerous weapons that man has ever devised.

And that's why we went to war. This is what we said to the world. This is what we said to the American people.

BLITZER: Well, do you have any doubt about that?

BRZEZINSKI: Well, it's clear that they weren't armed with these weapons. They didn't use them. We defeated their army in the field. We have control over their arsenals. We haven't found them.

We're now maintaining that they may be hidden somewhere, which is kind of comical, actually. If they had them, and the were armed to the teeth with them, why didn't they use them? If they didn't use them and hid them, that means they were deterred. And how do you hide all of these hundreds and hundreds of thousands of weapons with which they're armed?

The problem is, was that administration misled by very poor intelligence? In which case, some heads should roll in the intelligence community, absolutely, because an intelligence failure at this scale totally destroys American global credibility.
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-03 08:15 AM
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9. American global credibility
was the first casualty of the *Iraq caper. However with hard work, trust can be restored. *cabal's gotta go. Yesterday would work for me! I'm AMAZED at Zbig!!! Check out his book if you haven't yet.
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