C-SPAN Roll Call report...Clinton/Clark ticket

[in_cog_ni_to]

sounds pretty good to Wesley Clark. He wants to run again in '08, but Hillary Clinton running throws a big wrench into that. Clark may be aiming for a Clinton/Clark ticket?

Anyone ever hear about this? :hi:

[Avalux]

1. Nope

and if the two team up, it should be Clark/Clinton. I will be really pissed if she throws her weight around and makes 2008 a circus. I'm sorry, I don't have anything against Hillary, but I don't want her as the nominee. The Democratic Party can do better.

:hi:

[TheGunslinger]

2. NO! NO! and NO!

No way should Hillary be in the running for President.

Put Warner on the ticker or Richardson or Bayh along with Clark.

[oasis]

19. Bayh is a midwestern version of Joe Lieberman. Hillary stands head and

shoulders above most of the Democrats being considered for the nomination.

Edit to add: Clark has the makings of a great president.

[Rowdyboy]

3. Enough with the Clintons and Bush's....Can't we find someone

with a different last name to run.....

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

5. Thinking the exact same thought this morning.

To be fair, same with Kennedy, Roosevelt and Johnson.

Give Kazmercjikl a chance!

[Name removed]

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[CJCRANE]

4. Makes sense -

Clinton provides the name recognition and Clark provides the credentials. (similar to how Cheney provided political "weight" to the Bush/Cheney ticket).

[KharmaTrain]

6. And A Right Wing Rag Like Roll Call Would Know Why?

I'd be more curious who is trying to put that tripe out there to see what feedback or donations come rolling in.

As one who doesn't care about 2008 when 2006 will be far more critical to the future of the Democratic Party, anyone trying to get me to care, yet alone donate to a Presidential campaign at this point is wasting their time.

[Adelante]

8. Anybody got a subscription to Roll Call?

I hear it was Chris Lehane saying that, so take it with a grain.

Besides, this is that same old stalking horse bullshit from '04: "Clark may be aiming for a Clinton/Clark ticket?"

I don't buy it.

[Frederik]

9. Hillary is not going to be elected

It would be political suicide to nominate Hillary. Clark would be a better choice.

[dbeach]

12. Clark Si..Clinton No

another so called liberal NE senator...
dems ain't learned yet..

Significant that both were at one time republicans
and in my ospinion Clark is becoming more of a progressive and Clinton is..well hard to say WHAT SHE IS ..she seems less liberal than ever..and more hawkish.
Whats with the santorum /clinton or gingrich /clinton photo ops???
both were part of the "vast rt wing conspiracy..."

I won't support her and know many Vets up here in
liberal land that voted Kerry..{may even support him again} but don't like clinton !

and yes its more hari kari for Dems

[Frederik]

15. I'm starting to like Clark

He's a smart guy. And he's fairly liberal. He's got the advantage that he was against the war all along and has been proven right in everything he said. Hillary was all gung ho about getting Saddam. And the Freetards can't paint Clark as being anti-military either, him being a general and all. By 2008 people are going to be sick of war, so I think Clark may have a chance if fair elections will be allowed.

Clark is the only "mainstream" politician who has said that Iraq was all about oil and geopolitics.

He would need a running mate with more experience in politics though.

[Adelante]

20. Agree

The VP should be a legislator, already knowing the ins and outs of Congress, not because Clark has no experience with Congress, which he does, but not inside Congress -- that would be a well-balanced ticket, IMO.

[in_cog_ni_to]

29. I say Clark/Boxer!

:loveya: THAT would be sweet. Clark/Feingold? Clark/Kucinich?

[Frederik]

31. All conjunctions sound good to me! n/t

[Adelante]

10. Roll Call teaser

Clark’s Hill Role Step Toward ’08?
By Chris Cillizza
Roll Call Staff
May 26, 2005

Retired Gen. Wesley Clark has taken a high-profile role, both on and off Capitol Hill, as a Democratic spokesman and foreign policy adviser, stoking speculation that he is planning another national campaign in 2008.

http://www.rollcall.com/pub/50_123/news/9443-1.html

[Donna Zen]

11. Sounds like someone is out to diminish Clark

Lehane? OMG...that poisonous bagman.

Sounds like the Clinton people are worried about losing the Arkansas primary, and thus, the nomination.

Clinton is running...take that to the bank. She will have ALL the air time, all of the endorsements, all of the money, and all of the ACT support (her PAC manager now runs ACT.) No need to stand up for what's right when the party will reward you anyway. Sending out surrogates to diminish others, fucking pisses me off. Hillary will run with Richardson.

After that little speech to AIPAC yesterday, I would vote for my cat before I voted for Hillary. Warmongering is gender neutral.

The Democratic party is lucky to have a four star among their ranks, especially this one--brilliant and liberal. After the way they have treated him, I doubt we will see any others lining up to join the party.

Fuck Lehane and his dirty little Hillary tricks.

[Frederik]

17. Yeah, Hillary is...

1. not going to attract any Republican converts, which there may potentially be a lot of (they don't like her).

2. indistinguishable from a Republican anyway.

3. itching for a Showdown: Iran!

Clark, on the other hand, may well appeal to moderate Republicans who are fed up with the neo-con shenanigans and who realize that the Iraq war was wrong.

[Pithy Cherub]

13. The RC guy did say that Clark was the Dems

Go to person on national security and foreign policy. Clark had impeccable established credentials.(No kidding!)

Very focused on how Clark's 2008 chances were somewhat dependent on whether Clinton runs. But the former Clark "senior advisor" quoted did seem to be someone trashy like Lehane.

[Adelante]

23. Wesley Clark as the Dems’ ‘go-to’ guy

:D

From today's Carpetbagger Report:

Retired Gen. Wesley Clark has taken a high-profile role, both on and off Capitol Hill, as a Democratic spokesman and foreign policy adviser, stoking speculation that he is planning another national campaign in 2008.

Clark has emerged as a regular presence on Capitol Hill in the last few months.

His allies paint him as a “go-to guy” for Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid (Nev.) and House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (Calif.) on foreign policy matters, pointing out that he has been repeatedly invited by the duo to address their respective caucuses on the handling of current military situations in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Jim Manley, a Reid spokesman, noted that Clark is a member of the two leaders’ National Security Advisory Group.

“He is someone that Sen. Reid will continue to look to for advice,” Manley added.

The implications in the 2008 race are obvious, and the article notes that Clark is continuing to cultivate his relationships with key Dem leaders, including Reps. Charlie Rangel (N.Y.) and Rahm Emanuel (Ill.). Of course, it’s not just beltway activities either — Clark is maintaining a busy speaking schedule with Dems across the country, including a speech next month at the annual Flag Day Dinner of the Manchester City Democratic Committee in New Hampshire.

Those who were with Clark before haven’t lost their enthusiasm. Though I was surprised to see it in print, I think this was a telling remark:

“I’m convinced we would have won with him,” Rangel said.

-more-

http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/

[Adelante]

14. About Iowa (no link) from the article

Perhaps as troublesome to Clark as the fact that Clinton is looming over the race is his decision to bypass the Iowa caucuses in 2004. Clark, who was the last candidate to join the race, made a strategic choice to skip the Jan. 19 caucuses because of a belief that to win required an organization he would not be able to assemble in such a short period of time.

That decision confounded a number of politicians and party strategists, including Iowa Sen. Tom Harkin (D). Harkin hosted Clark in October 2003 for a town hall event in Fort Dodge, Iowa, and reportedly came away extremely impressed, according to informed sources.

Harkin was mulling endorsing Clark when the general announced he would not compete in Iowa, the sources added. Jeff Link, a longtime Iowa strategist and Harkin confidant, said there were "high hopes" for Clark in the state, but acknowledged his decision to back out of the caucuses could have ramifications should he run again.

When you take away someone's opportunity to be for you, that sticks with voters,said Link. Vanessa Weaver, who served as deputy campaign manager for Clark, said the general was "very favorably regarded" in Iowa, adding: "I see Iowa as open for just about anybody but especially for Wes."

The key to a resurrection of Clark's image in the Hawkeye State, according to Link, is "time on task," meaning he needs to spend many hours in the state if he hopes to be competitive. It will be part of every story his first few trips to the state, said Link. It is easy to deal with, but you have to deal with it.

[Skwmom]

21. About Clark pulling out of Iowa.

I've read that it was released that Clark would pull out of Iowa before Clark made that decision. IMO there were many Democrats working against Clark in the primary (including some within his own campaign).

[Quixote1818]

25. That would be a pretty strong ticket. Clark/Clinton would be stronger

I just worry Hillary will fire up the Republican base if she is at the head of the ticket. I don't think she is any more polarizing than Bush and probably less but the fact that the Rights base hates her so much is what scares me.

[Mizmoon]

16. excellent idea - those two American heros

would make for a great pair of running mates.

[Skwmom]

22. Clinton an American hero?

You've got to be kidding.

[shadowknows69]

18. Clark/Clinton....Maybe

you can't win it this time around Hil. Give it up please.

[Pockets]

24. Look at it from the other side...

If Barbara Bush ran in 2016 would that be good or bad for the Repugs?

I don't think a spouse will win over anyone from the other party, and might also repel some from their own party.

Plus the obvious, an oligarchy is bad for America.

[Frederik]

26. Oligarchy

After Barbara said she called Bill her "son", I'm fairly sceptical of having any more presidents from the Bush/Clinton family.

[Jai4WKC08]

27. Just to be clear...

I listened to the Roll Call segment on WJ this morning and NO one said a "Clinton/Clark ticket... sounds pretty good to Wesley Clark."

The speaker, Tim Curran, did say that Hillary Clinton's running could be Clark's biggest obstacle, but there was nothing about Clark saying so, one way or the other, and certainly nothing to indicate he would consider being her running mate. I recall his telling one of the Faux anchors that he hasn't even entertained the notion.

Curran said someone in the Clinton camp had said that a Clinton/Clark ticket sounded good to him (to the "someone," not to Clark). And according to Roll Call, turns out the someone was Chris Lehane. Personally, I think Curran got it wrong, linking Lehane directly to Clinton... it sure doesn't say that in the Roll Call article, which was written by Chris Cillizza.

Here's what Lehane is quoted as saying:

"Chris Lehane, a senior adviser to the Clark campaign and veteran of Al Gore's 2000 presidential effort, cast the 2004 race as a success. 'The guy went without ever playing in the major leagues and batted .300 his first time up, Lehane said. He needed to bat .400 to get the nomination' "

And further down...

"Lehane was more measured about Clark's prospects, suggesting that he should have an enormous role in the party that can manifest itself in any numbers of ways. 'I've always thought a Clinton-Clark ticket had a nice ring to it,' Lehane said."

[shadowknows69]

28. Now, Clark/Boxer is something I could get behind.

[Sparkly]

30. Aha... Clinton/Clark is very different from Clark/Clinton (or /anybody)

The General has said he's not interested in being someone else's "Dick Cheney." On top of the ticket, a vast number of Democrats could run for VP. But on the bottom of the ticket, he could be propping up someone who needs national security creds. Not the worst situation for us, but not the best one for him.