Clark leads all democrats and top democrat agianst (Newsweek Poll)

[southern democrat]

[otohara]

1. Got A Link?

???

[tsipple]

74. You Know, Sharpton Could be #1 in That Poll

The margin of error is +/- a whopping 6 points.

I've consistently criticized national polls, especially these early ones, for a Democratic nomination contest. They don't reflect the way the campaign runs, state by state.

[jonnyblitz]

2. wasn't it Lieberman before Clark entered the picture?

just curious..

[hedda_foil]

3. It's an online poll with a grand total of 53 responses.

Looks like the Clark supporters hit it first.

[seamarq]

6. The NEWSWEEK poll was conducted by Princeton Survey Research Associates

The NEWSWEEK poll was conducted by Princeton Survey Research Associates, which interviewed 1,001 adults by telephone on September 18 and 19. The margin of error is plus or minus 3 percentage points.

Nice try.

[Rose Siding]

68. The Bush q's must have been 3% MOE

And Dem q's were 6% MOE, asked of 377 in phone calls, according to Polling Report. The msnbc article didn't include information, but I think PR is reliable.

http://www.pollingreport.com/wh04dem.htm

Doesn't matter much but it does make the results somewhat less remarkable.

[newyawker99]

92. Hi seamarq!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[southern democrat]

7. No its a princeton Newsweek poll

[carpetbagger]

8. The poll the article talked about was PRSA telephone w/ 1000.

They merely put the poll up for public consumption, but the results reported don't include the online responses.

http://www.msnbc.com/news/969441.asp?0cv=KB10

[Kahuna]

15. Online responses aren't scientic polls. Why should they include them?

:shrug:

[jonnyblitz]

9. aaah...misleading.

surprise.

[Kahuna]

19. What.'s misleading is the post about the online responses

as the poll we're talking about with is a scientific random sampling.

[jonnyblitz]

72. thanks. I stand corrected.

:hi:

[DemocratSinceBirth]

21. I Deleted My Smarmy Remark

since the person I was upset with was acting on an incorrect premise that she accepted responsibility for....


Peace:

9/03

Brian

[southern democrat]

4. Dean is second among dems,Kerry second to Bush

web psge http://www.msnbc.com/news/969441

[blm]

17. This is what the internal polls show

and why the DNC is leery of Dean at the top of the ticket. He brings down Congress' numbers, too.

>>>>>
When registered voters were asked who they would vote for if a general election if President George W. Bush was pitted against Clark, Kerry or Dean, none of the candidates were able to beat the incumbent, although Clark fared better than the others, polling at 43 percent to Bush’s 47 percent. Kerry was next, polling at 43 percent to Bush’s 48 percent. Dean fared worst, with Bush beating him by a full 14 points (52 percent to 38 percent).

[Kahuna]

32. Boy! There's going to be some serious wailing and ghashing of

teeth going on 'round here and with the wingnuts.

[janekat]

70. WOW!

[madfloridian]

77. Which internal poll is that?

Is it the Democratic party or a campaign. Not arguing, just wondering where you saw it. And the date.

Never mind, just saw it at MSNBC. I wonder what happened to Lieberman in that section of the poll. He has been polling first overall for ages among general population.

[bluestateguy]

5. Here's the LINK

http://www.msnbc.com/news/969441.asp?0cv=KB10&cp1=1

Bush at 51%

Clark leads among Democrats with 14%, Dean at 12%.

Bush 47%
Clark 43%

Bush 52%
Dean 38%

[EagleEye]

12. That's all

With all the hoopla I would have thought it would be more. It likely can't get much better from here since he will actually have to take a stand on domestic issues. This also doesn't take into account his yes/no war vote response. But welcome to the race general.

[DoveTurnedHawk]

14. Nice Effort To Downplay

But alas, this is big news, and you know it. No other candidate has transformed the race like this upon entry.

As for your claim that the poll doesn't take into account the war stuff, it actually does, at least in part. The story broke on the evening of the 18th, and the poll was conducted on the 18th and 19th.

DTH

[Kahuna]

25. I bow you your superior punditry, DTH.

XOXOXOXOX

:yourock:

[DoveTurnedHawk]

95. LOL!!!

Let's just say I'm thrilled to be right, this time. :D

Thanks,
DTH

[DemocratSinceBirth]

29. General Clark Is A Bright Fella

I'll bet he can spot me 20 I Q points... I wasn't first in my class anywhere and if I can think of glib answers to give to the press on the great issues of the day I'm sure Wes Clark can learn too...

[Kahuna]

33. Clark did in 4 days what it took the other guys to do in 9 mos.

Yeah. That is a nice effort to downplay. </sarcasm>

[ShaneGR]

78. Dove......

Watch out for the infighting.... it does show that Clark is for real but no need to rub it in. The last thing we need is more angry Dems posting just to bash other dems.

Peace! :-)

[Kahuna]

18. Oh please! He only announced on Wednesday!

:nopity:

[Rose Siding]

76. 6 pt MOE with 377 polled

If pollingreports.com is to be believed, the reporting on
the newsweek article was a bit misleading.

The democratic candidates poll had a sample size
of 377 people with a MoE = 6%.

http://www.pollingreport.com/wh04dem.htm

The presidential approval poll also discussed
in the article had a sample size of 1001 people
and a MoE = 3%.

http://www.pollingreport.com/BushJob.htm

And the poll has Sharpton, Gep and Edwards in a stat tie

[hedda_foil]

10. Sorry. You're right.

[cosmicdot]

24. actually, there is a 'sort of' online poll at the link

not that it means very much - seems only those whom Newsweek wants in the initial pool is what they'll bank on

one day some put little credence in polls - as trying to manipulate and mislead us ... on another day, they become holy scripture

it's become too typical of late -- like fleas on a dog -- the 'nice try' folks are so quick to pounce - so unnecessary - doubt if the apology will be met with one

[Kahuna]

11. Gimme some of that bling bling!

:bounce: :bounce: :bounce:


Who called us Wes Wingers "naive" the other day? Bling bling to you.

http://www.msnbc.com/news/969441.asp

snip..

CLARK WON SUPPORT from 14 percent registered Democrats and democratic leaners, outpacing former Vermont Gov. Howard Dean (12 percent), Connecticut Sen. Joe Lieberman (12 percent), Massachusetts Sen. John Kerry (10 percent) and Missouri Congressman Dick Gephardt (8 percent).

If you want to make sure that we retire the bushies please donate what you can to General Clark's campaign..

http://www.clark04.com/

[VolcanoJen]

16. Can I get a "whoo-whoo"???

Bling it on, Kahuna! It's so exciting to see that Wes is catching on already... much, much sooner than I expected!!

:D :D :D

[Kahuna]

20. Yeah Baby, Yeah!

Wooooooooooooo! :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

[ronzo]

63. Yup.

I still really want to see where we are in a week. But, that's pretty spiffy!!!

[VolcanoJen]

13. Go, Wesley, Go!

OMG... even I'm surprised at this poll. I expected the General to be playing catch-up for a month or two, but this is amazing news, and should be a terrific boost for his fundraising efforts. He's a contender, that's for certain.

[EagleEye]

22. Did you hear his announcement speech?

How will he energize the base?

[Kahuna]

27. He energizes the moderates who are the majority of the party..

Clark can energize the moderates to vote in the primaries. I've been saying that all along. The term "Wesley-mania" is in the mainstream now. Mania motivates moderates to do things that they are unaccustomed to doing.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

34. Maybe I'm Corny

but I think the line... if you're not affiliated with any party "you can come with us" is beautiful....

[Kahuna]

37. Clark wants to unite the country and put and end to the partisan

fighting. Some people on the extremes of the right and left don't like that. But for the 60% in the middle, it's music to our ears.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

39. I'm Not Saying Clark Is Ike

but Ike governed as a centrist and there wasn't as much partisanship then... I'll take a center-left version of Ike in the White House anyday over the knuckle scraper that currently resides there...

[Kahuna]

40. Amen!

:yourock:

[Clark Can WIN]

64. You're not corny

It really is beautiful.

[Kahuna]

23. This is absolutely phenominal news! I now bow to...

Dove Turned Hawk's superior punditry. You rock, Baby.

:yourock:

[southern democrat]

26. While it's great to start out on top,lets remember we want to

finish on top. It is good news though.Also good news for Kerry and Dean.I'm for Clark but the poll shows no clear frontrunner.

[Kahuna]

30. Clark just started. This is phenominal in the sense that..

the goal is to beat bush, not each other. Get it? We have to stop looking at this election as a beauty contest.

[Julien Sorel]

41. Thank you!

I had a fist-pumping moment there myself, but first, it's early, second, the poll is close, and third, Bush is still leading:

When registered voters were asked who they would vote for if a general election if President George W. Bush was pitted against Clark, Kerry or Dean, none of the candidates were able to beat the incumbent, although Clark fared better than the others, polling at 43 percent to Bush’s 47 percent. Kerry was next, polling at 43 percent to Bush’s 48 percent. Dean fared worst, with Bush beating him by a full 14 points (52 percent to 38 percent).

It's still largely about name recognition at this point, though, so I am encouraged. But there's a long way to go.

[Clark Can WIN]

65. Damn Billy!

That graphic is BY FAR your best one EVER! I am extremely jealous :smoke: may i steal it from you?

On edit: you don't rock......... YOU KICK ASS:dem:

[Julien Sorel]

66. Take it, spread it, and most of all,

enjoy it!

[alfredo]

80. I like Clark but am waiting to see how he handles the pressure

of campaigning.

I like horse racing. One thing I noticed, the front runner from the gate rarely has the stamina to hold the lead. Let's wait and see what develops down the stretch.

[DBoon]

28. Shows difference between us and them

A popular insurgency can and does happen in the Democratic party. The annointed presidential candidate (assuming there was one) can be overcome by one with strong grassroots support.

Refreshing compared to the other guys. They should really be called the "Autocratic Party", as "republican" no longer fits.

[southern democrat]

31. I can not agree more. Unconventional and I love it. As it

emerges I hope it truly represents the will of the American people,weather it's Clark or Dean that get the nomination.

[Kahuna]

35. Don't forget to contribute to the Clark campaign..

There now seems to be a light at the end of the tunnel...

http://www.clark04.com/


On edit:

This post was intended to go under the thread, not your post. I'm not trying to get you to personally give to the Clark campaign.

[Terwilliger]

36. will you people either claim the flag or get another party?

[Kahuna]

38. ?????????

What yuo talkin' 'bout Terwilliger?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

43. I Think He Means That Clark Supporters Aren't Real Democrats

I have been voting since 76 and have never pulled the lever for a Republican....

[Terwilliger]

45. No, not that you're Republicans

but if you're Democrats who believe in Democratic party values, I have to find another home

that's all :shrug:

[Kahuna]

48. See ya!

:P

[DemocratSinceBirth]

50. I Am A Democrat First And Foremost

because I want somebody to take care of the little guy....


Like Joe Kennedy taught his sons, the rich can always take care of themselves, government exists to help the little guy...


And while we have major difference on some issues you're welcome in our party...

[Pepperbelly]

71. you would probably be ...

more comfortable with the anarchists. Or maybe the Episcopalians.

:D

[Kahuna]

47. Well lucky for us...

Ter doesn't get to decide for everybody who real Democrats are. :7

Hi Ter! :hi:

[Mz Pip]

42. I was expecting him

to jump to 3rd place, but first? Wow.

I particularly like that 52% didn't care that he hadn't been elected to office before.

The debates will be so interesting now that it appears that Clark cannot be dismissed as easily as some have thought.

MzPip
:dem:

[Bread and Circus]

44. Huge News.....

This is absolutely amazing and helps confirm
draftwesleyclark's zogby poll findings. This is
all with only 55% of folks in the poll knowing
about Clark, when he gets better name recognition,
I imagine he will do even better.

I can't believe that this thread has dwindled to
mid-page. This is the biggest story of the day.

Clark polling at #1 after 4 days of campaigning,
even with a few mis-steps. This is down-right
incredible.

I think the more exposure Clark gets and the more
ability he has to express his views and concretely
firm up his policies, the better he will do.

As an aside, not to bash Dean, because he has campaigned
well, but the article does show how poorly he would do
in a general election vs. Bush. It is probably the
most impressive part of the article because the
difference is so large between Bush and Dean.

I truly hope Clark wins the nomination. I want him to be
my president!

Clark Leads Dems in National
Scientific Telephone Poll>

[Kahuna]

46. "Wesley-mania." Pass the word.........

:bounce:

[MoonRiver]

96. I'm totally estatic about the poll! I too want Clark to win, and he will!

(call it woman's intuition). Heck I've been correct about this wonderful guy from the beginning.

But, it does make me sick to my stomach opening up the MSNBC poll link and seeing that repulsive * face greeting me. :puke:

[CMT]

49. good news for Gen Clark but

we will see if his two-point lead holds as this poll comes off of an intense media frenzy. Now as to the 14-points that Dean is behind Bush (52-38) I don't consider that so bad at this time. Bush is barely over 50% and there is a full ten-percent undecided. I remember that at this time in the 2000 race a man named Al Gore was running 15-20 points behind George W. Bush and ended up winning more votes on election day. In fact, Gore didn't pull ahead of Bush until after his strong performance at the Democratic convention. Also, in 1992, Bill Clinton at one point was running third behind Bush and Perot.

[Kahuna]

51. Wouldn't we want the guy with the best chance of beating bush..

as opposed to the worse chance? Just asking.. :shrug:

[CMT]

54. not necessarily

prior to this poll of the democrats running for president the one who did best vs. Bush was Lieberman. As I said, this is news is initially good for the General but it is still very close. Dean is actually pulling about what he was percentage wise in the last Newsweek poll so he hasn't lost alot of support and it's going to be a long campaign and I expect Dean and Clark to be in the thick of it.

[janekat]

73. you have to think about the GENERAL election -

we have to "pull" Republicans away from Bush.

[Pepperbelly]

85. quit PUNishing us, janekat!

:D

[janx]

52. Maybe that's what it was--the media frenzy. Because I have

never seen anyone announce and come out on top just days later. Something about it makes no sense.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

53. I Hope It's Not A Bad Omen

but Perot came out of nowhere to lead Bush and Clinton in the polls....

[janx]

55. Was that after he was on television a lot--with his charts?

?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

57. It Was Right Before The Democratic Convention I Believe

It was something like

Perot - 31%

Bush 29%

Clinton- 27%

Then Perot got out of the race and Clinton opened up a 20% lead... That feeling was better than sex for me -:)


Perot got back in of course... That when people started to think he was nuts...

[CMT]

56. and then to come in third in the election after the

"honeymoon" ended. But lets not kid ourselves, Clark is going to be a strong contender. Dean is pulling about what he was in the last Newsweek poll so it isn't as bad as all of that. He still has his supporters and I think it is good that someone else, such as Clark, maybe takes on the mantle of front-runner. Sometimes it is not such a great thing to be this early in the game. Also, next month the financial news for Dean will be very bright indeed--probably over $20 million raised from relatively small donations and that will get a lot of coverage.

[WillyT]

67. Exactly CMT !!!

All the firepower that was about to be aimed at Dean by both Dem candidates and Repukes in general because of his front-runner status, may now be put on hold as a new target (Clark) has entered the field, and apparently taken the lead (if we are believing the poll). Dean may have caught a break here. The next several days, and the next Dem debate, will be REAL interesting!!!

Welcome to the fray General, watch your flanks sir!

:shrug:

[Pepperbelly]

87. it not an omen of anything as much as ...

a reflection of the hunger for leadership that Clark identified and counted on. Whether he is the one to lead is yet to be determined but I think he has struck on the chord that resonates with people, a this-is-it kind of feeling after the collosal failures of the Whistle-ass years.

[VolcanoJen]

59. Gore's post-convention "bounce" was astounding

Thanks for bringing that up, CMT, and you're right. The post-convention leap in the polls Gore took was so encouraging, so energizing, so mindblowing... I'll never forget his fantastic performance at the '00 Convention.

:-)

[tjdee]

58. Whoa. Someone want to tell me how Clark "has no support"?

I bet that every one of those surveyed were members of the DLC.

</sarcasm>

Wow...I thought Clark had no organization, no support, no money...

[TacticalPeek]

60. You left out "too late".

B-)

[DemocratSinceBirth]

61. RFK Got In The Election In March Of 68

after the NH primary....

[TacticalPeek]

62. Sorry,

should have been more explicit: </sarcasm>

(presumed continued from previous post)

[einsteins stein]

69. When Lieberman held the national poll top spot...

most of what we heard on DU was that national polls were less conclusive than state polls--ignore the national polls!

Did national polls somehow become more reliable, just because a more palatable candidate holds the lead?

Have the state polls changed to reflect Clark's entry in the race?

[VolcanoJen]

75. I can only speak for myself...

... but I never doubted Lieberman's lead. He had the most name-recognition, and it was obvious that among the general public, he'd be the candidate at the top, early on. Not to mention that in many eyes, he's the current vice-president. :-)

The case of Clark jumping out ahead is certainly indicative of the media frenzy surrounding him, just as it was when Dean jumped ahead following the Newsweek cover and lots of positive media coverage.

I do feel that it's a pretty powerful statement that a guy who just entered the race a few days ago is now ahead of candidates who have been involved for almost a year, despite criticism that he was joining the race far too late. But, I'm taking it with a grain of salt.

Good news is so hard to find these days, though, and I'm going to consider this a happy, happy day. At least until the next poll comes out. :-)

[einsteins stein]

82. Good news if Clark was ahead of Bush--But He Isn't!

Clark is only ahead of the other Dems. They all trail Bush.

How is this good news for Dems? If Clark started at the bottom, and rose suddenly, I could see some excitement.

Instead, we have Clark jumping in at the top. He literally has nowhere to move but down. I'm not sure, but I lean towards the idea that we really do not need another Dem candidate.

[Kahuna]

89. Okay.......... Clark is within four of bush after 4 days...

How's your candidate doing? :eyes:

[DoveTurnedHawk]

94. Clark Is Close Despite Having Little to No Name Recognition

In a few months, my hope is that he's not only leading the Dems by a significant margin, but also that he's demolishing Bush.

DTH

[DemExpat]

79. At last Dems have a little more hope for getting the Bushies

OUT in 2004!
This is great news, and I can't wait to see how this all develops.
I must say though that I'm not surprised, because I have felt all along that Wes's appeal will be vast!
:kick:
:bounce:

DemEx

[IranianDemocrat]

81. Victory is ours!

.

[einsteins stein]

83. Ours? With whom do you group yourself?

Victory will be to the Dems?

Victory will be to the supporters of Clark?

Who is your We?

Clark still trails Bush, just as does every other Dem.

[IranianDemocrat]

86. Democrats of course.

Voting Clark will benefit the entire party by not only drawing in the Left vote because of Clark's stance of proggressive issues, but also bring in the crucial centrist vote which Clark appeals to.

[Kahuna]

90. within 4 pts. is not "trailing my friend." It's ..

practially within the margin of error.

Why can't you be happy that we have a candidate that can beat bush? Why?

[Julien Sorel]

91. Bush is ahead based on name recognition.

The Dems have hardly even got up some steam yet; as they do, the gap should narrow, OTBE, of course.

[ComerPerro]

93. Just like in 2000

But this time around, he doesn't have to waste his time relentlessly attacking McCain, and calling him a traitor.

[Pepperbelly]

84. I think you should hold off on the champagne for a while.

Not a single vote has yet to be cast or counted.

Dewey defeats Truman

[TacticalPeek]

88. For months after election night 2000

I kept an uncorked, unsipped bottle of champagne sitting around, just to remind me. I popped it open after the FL 'call' changed from Shrub to Gore. Before I could get the wife fully awake, they had switched to 'too close to call'. Wednesday morning was like a dry hangover.

[MoonRiver]

97. Yes, we went through the same emotional rollercoaster ride that day.

I've warned my husband not to get too excited about Clark's early advances, and our hope that BFEE will be brought down by the General. These * creeps have a thousand dirty tricks up their sleeve. Sadly.