DSM Hearing Thread 4

[Chichiri]

Here ya go . . .

[Ivote]

1. Thanks

n/t
:kick:

[faithnotgreed]

2. again john bonifaz is incredible and love he is on the side of america

[BlueEyedSon]

Amazing how excited we are, how many accolades we dump on a guy

just because he TELLS THE TRUTH and MAKES SENSE.

Sad state of affairs in this country, huh?

[faithnotgreed]

12. very true... but hes also passionate and skilled! just like ray mcgovern

[indy_azcat]

3. fyi: past thread link

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=3873772&mesg_id=3873772

[Pacifist Patriot]

4. Thanks! I tried to change mine to another topic but

it's telling me the editing period expired. (?) My apologies if I stepped on toes.

[Just Me]

5. Thanks. They're filling up fast!!!

Of course, this is very exciting stuff!!! :bounce:

[Just Me]

10. McDermott on the bombing raids that took place BEFORE the war.

[Just Me]

18. Shit. By September 2002 lots and LOTS of bombs being dropped!!!

:wow:

[jojo54]

14. It's going to be # 20 by tonight.

[jhain]

17. and it is NOT Friday!!!!!!

this is the best I have felt about my country in YEARS

[Pryderi]

6. CNN Inside Politics hasn't mentioned the hearing.

[in_cog_ni_to]

7. Jim McDermott! LOVE this guy! He never minces words!

GO JIM!!!!

[Rainscents]

49. He is my Congressman!!! We love him here!!!

[in_cog_ni_to]

67. I just love listening to him on the House floor!

When he's mad, WATCH OUT! You're lucky to have him!

[cynatnite]

8. No repubs with courage to attend this hearing n/t

[Pacifist Patriot]

11. I noticed that. They'll jump on the bandwagon for

pressing for an exit strategy but they won't show up for this. tsk, tsk, tsk.

[uppityperson]

19. What hearing? arent you watching the car chase on cnn?

tons of bombs dropped pre 10/02, warlike acts authorized by those who are supposed to authorize war?

[Hissyspit]

9. For those just joining: Will Pitt Blogging Hearing blog.pdamerica

http://blog.pdamerica.org/

[im10ashus]

13. Yes. He's very up-to-the-minute. n/t

[bvar22]

20. I LOVE tabbed browsing ala FireFox.

Very easy to switch back and forth between Will's blog and CSPAN.

[BlueEyedSon]

15. Hope McGovern isn't "suicided".....nt

[Pacifist Patriot]

54. Yes, I'm hoping he has very good security.

[indy_azcat]

16. McD asking Wilson about the Sept to March bombings

before we invaded

[Hissyspit]

23. Excellent! nt

[in_cog_ni_to]

21. They weren't just cooking the books, they were putting facts on the ground

McDermott.

[BlueEyedSon]

22. RUSH HOLT is my rep!!!!

YAY

[chalky]

24. SJL! SJL! SJL!

:yourock:

[SoCalDem]

25. The only complaint I have about the hearing.

Apparently they have only 2 hours, and with as many speakers as they have, and the "windiness" of some of them, the actual information may get blurred, and the media may report this as "just another bash Bush" session:)
/ducking

I hope there are more hearings, and that the guests will resist the temptation to speak too long..

Pithy and to the point (like you know who says)

[Pacifist Patriot]

40. That's certainly a spin I expect to hear.

I agree, but I doubt this will be the only one. I think this is the first of many.

[jojo54]

26. I hope LaLa_RawRaw is o.k. ....you there LaLa?

[Orion The Hunter]

38. RE: RATS!! Darn work...

....all these meetings I could not get out of to be there IN PERSON!! This hearing sounds like it would be awesome to actually be there!

[babylonsister]

I saw a post from her in the past hour, so she's around. nt

[fla nocount]

27. Didn't catch all the names but the room's getting crowded by newbies.

There's folks showing up from all over Jackson Lee (Tx.) up now

[bvar22]

From Will's Blog

Wexler, Scott, several more Reps just walked in. McGovern up.

Posted in General | No Comments »
Lee, Hinchey, Rangel, Nadler just showed up
June 16th, 2005

Barney Frank to speak, then McDermott, then Lee.

http://blog.pdamerica.org/

[fla nocount]

Talking about the mental damage to our kids(soldiers) & Iraqis

[Tesla]

33. What are the Freepers saying??

I can't go there again today, I had my shower.....

[Just Me]

28. Jackson-Lee acknowledging the trauma on our soldiers.

She is apologizing on behalf of governmental institutions because this was NOT a Constitutional event.

oops.

[Demrock6]

32. That is way cool. Maybe others will follow.

[faithnotgreed]

41. just fyi: that is sheila jackson lee who apologized

another great american and congresswoman

[Just Me]

59. Thanks. I "oops'd". I admire Jackson-Lee a LOT!!!

:hi:

[Pacifist Patriot]

29. Would my husband please stop calling me?!

No, I don't need anything from the store. Yes, I know how hot it is. Doesn't he understand this testimony is important?! Sheesh. You'd think I would have trained him better by now.

[chalky]

39. LOL!

n/t

[in_cog_ni_to]

42. LOL! MEN! Don't they know we're BUSY saving our country!!!!

Sheesh!

[Rainscents]

69. LOL

:rofl:

[in_cog_ni_to]

80. oops...answered wrong post...:)

[nadinbrzezinski]

30. Jackson Lee apoliging for the vote

that folks takes guts

Congress woman accepted, now move on to impeachment

[chalky]

65. And the Freepers will be pissing all over it by 4:00 today.

n/t

[Nordmadr]

31. I think Will Pitt's blog just crashed. N/T

[jojo54]

44. Crashed? Or was hijacked?

[understandinglife]

51. "I have to wrap this up"

I have to wrap this up
June 16th, 2005
so I can get down to Lafayette Park for the rally. This hearing has been great in so many ways. It will be rebroadcast on Friday, June 17th at 8pm ET on C-SPAN2. Record it. Watch it again. Have house parties and show it to your friends.

Spread the word. I hope to see you in the park.
http://blog.pdamerica.org/

[fooj]

126. Thanks UL!!! Our time is NOW!

:patriot:

peace.

[formercia]

159. The freepers are going to have a counter rally

let's see how many show up. Bring your cameras.

[bvar22]

45. Will's last post:

I have to wrap this up
June 16th, 2005

so I can get down to Lafayette Park for the rally. This hearing has been great in so many ways. It will be rebroadcast on Friday, June 17th at 8pm ET on C-SPAN2. Record it. Watch it again. Have house parties and show it to your friends.

Spread the word. I hope to see you in the park.

[Rainscents]

34. So much lies, lies, and more lies, this administration, it is soooo

sick! It's hartbreaking to hear so many lies and so many dead because of Americans Government!

:cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:

[Chichiri]

35. Sheila Jackson Lee

Apologizing to Sheehan(?) on behalf of the United States Government.

I love her. I absolutely love her.

[Chichiri]

43. (Somebody wanna close DSM Hearing Thread 3?)

Steve?

[indy_azcat]

57. hit alert

let the mods know

[underpants]

36. Is C-Span3 locking up on anyone else?

Maybe the volume is that high- I've never had my RealPlyer do this

Anyone else having problems?

[babylonsister]

47. Yep. I switched over to pacifica.org. No pic, but the sound's

better.

[Pacifist Patriot]

48. Not me, but I've seen quite a few complaints.

I constantly have trouble with Real Player. I've started using Windows Media and it seems fine. Can you just stream the radio portion?

[chalky]

50. I had to give up on CSPAN3 and go for the audio

http://www.pacifica.org/

[bvar22]

52. Yes Me...BAD.

I had to go to the CSPAN RADIO Broadcast and just listen.

[underpants]

60. I went to the C-Span page

Not running it directly off RealPlayer favorites

Damn it just locked up on me again

I guess I will try the audio link

[jojo54]

53. No, just buffering every once in awhile.

[laruemtt]

55. try real player stand alone

from the c-span site. not great video but at least the audios clear and doesn't cut off.

[in_cog_ni_to]

56. Mine is working fine. I think I'm on Windows Media Player though. n/t

[Pharaoh]

86. yes big probs here too

i gave up, watch it tommorow

[marions ghost]

37. Sheila Jackson Lee speaking

Human cost of war (some details) Lee offers personal apology to Mrs. Sheehan and all who lost loved ones --on behalf of the US Senate, House and Executive.

[Amonester]

46. Outta here from work. Catch it all back up tonite! THX DU! n/t

:yourock:

[AFSCME girl]

58. Is CSPAN going to cover the rally in

Lafayette Park?

[luxpara]

62. the freepers are already on thier way over there...

I wonder if this will get ugly

[Just Me]

70. Says who? Where are you getting that information?

:shrug:

[Hissyspit]

75. All 12 of them?

[Individualist]

79. the usual turnout

of four freepers and a portapotty?
:rofl:

[Pacifist Patriot]

84. I soooo hate to say this, but...

if it does, would that improve the odds of media coverage?

[LSK]

64. when will it re-air tonite?? hopefully on CSPAN or CSPAN2

I cant watch streaming here at work, would like to watch it tonite when I get home.

[in_cog_ni_to]

71. It reairs tomorrow night at 8:00 Eastern, I think. on C-SPAN 2. n/t

[Sapphire Blue]

77. C-SPAN 2

[Pacifist Patriot]

81. Right time, but it's on C-SPAN 2

http://inside.c-spanarchives.org:8080/cspan/fullschedule.csp?timeid=211985740656

OT: Love your sig. He is SUCH a handsome man. I bet he doesn't call his wife to bug her when she's in a political mood.

[in_cog_ni_to]

87. Wes would never do that!

:loveya: I'm sure Gert has him trained right! ;)

[LSK]

90. thanks all n/t

[goclark]

101. Rove will have to get them permission to air tgomorrow

They will have to figure out how to spin all of this first.
That's probably why CSPAN would not show it tonight
IMO

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

61. Folks...

The opposition has formed its phalanx today. With Chimpy's falling approvals, this is no small thing.

Look for The White House to NOT ignore this and come out snarling, biting and pissing on the potted plants.

2006 has well and truly started. I just hope that Dr. Howie has the message machine cashed up, tuned up and ready to rock immediately.

[Triana]

76. That's my guess, TS (n/t)

[chalky]

127. True dat.

n/t

[leftchick]

152. No kidding TS ! I hope the Dr. is ready...

to lock and load ( with words of course :) )on these repuke bastids!

[slybacon9]

63. website coverage

CNN: al Q leader caught (bullshit)
FOX: nope
MSN: nope
BBC: well of course
al Jazeera: nope

[Hissyspit]

66. Updates? Who's up now?

[BlueEyedSon]

74. SJ Lee interrogating Wilson re: African uranium

[AFSCME girl]

68. 'Nother question...

Did they just say the bombing started BEFORE Sept. 2002? (Co-worker just asked me)....

[slybacon9]

72. Yes they did

and yes it did...

we were trying to pick a fight.

[slybacon9]

73. Yes they did

and yes it did...

we were trying to pick a fight.

[Viva_La_Revolution]

78. Yes...

Clinton was bombing (No-fly zone) occasionally. the shrub ramped it up to daily bombings.

[slybacon9]

85. WOW this kicks

all the ass in the world


FINALLY

on TV and in plain english!!!

i am covered in goose bumps.

[chalky]

93. Welcome aboard, slybacon9!!!

:hi:

Have some beer :toast: and some popcorn! :popcorn:

This is gonna be good....

[chalky]

82. See link:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-1632566,00.html

THE RAF and US aircraft doubled the rate at which they were dropping bombs on Iraq in 2002 in an attempt to provoke Saddam Hussein into giving the allies an excuse for war, new evidence has shown.
The attacks were intensified from May, six months before the United Nations resolution that Tony Blair and Lord Goldsmith, the attorney-general, argued gave the coalition the legal basis for war. By the end of August the raids had become a full air offensive.

[understandinglife]

105. The Nation: "The Other Bomb Drops"

http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml?i=20050613&s=scahill



WE THE PEOPLE .... WILL NEVER FORGET

"... we sent our young people into harm's way without leveling with the American people." - Congresswoman Pelosi before Congress, 16 June 2005

Peace.


www.missionnotaccomplished.us - Impeachment of Bush and Cheney; indictment and prosecution of all members of the Bush regime who participated in the deception, should be campaign promises of any candidate worthy of our vote in the 2006 Congressional elections.

[anarch]

173. another link...

In case you weren't pissed off enough already:

http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?SectionID=15&ItemID=8084

[marions ghost]

83. Joe Wilson

former ambassador to Iraq (90-91), talking about Niger yellowcake
uranium alleged sales to Iraq. Evidence was weak, the British had exaggerated the case. 4 mos before State of Union address.

[slybacon9]

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[nadinbrzezinski]

88. I hate to bring my hopes up, but

welcome to the revolution... this may very well be the begining of the end

[in_cog_ni_to]

94. I so hope you're right!

Please, please, please let thie revolution begin!

[Pacifist Patriot]

100. I don't think those are high hopes...

I think you are feeling true momentum. A lot of ignorant people I know are going to be blown away over the summer.

[Pacifist Patriot]

108. "Not courage. This is a civic duty."

God Bless Joe Wilson

[nadinbrzezinski]

109. like '74

[Pacifist Patriot]

118. Exactly!

I just hope we have a different outcome. I want handcuffs, not a resignation.

[nadinbrzezinski]

124. I want a trial (and subsequent conviction) for treason

for the whole lot.

I am against the death penalty, except in cases of high treason

[Pacifist Patriot]

129. I'm still against the death penalty

I'd like to see these silver spoon barons living in a small cold cell for the rest of their natural lives.

[nadinbrzezinski]

143. I make the exception for treason becuse of the massive numbers

of lives it affects.. and destroys... not because it will have any deterrent effect... for the nature of evil will never stop

[faithnotgreed]

104. no doubt its incredible manna. this is quite a group with much information

and evidence
it has to start something

joe wilson says this is civic duty not bravery

[cynatnite]

89. Is it just me or...

Are more dems showing up??

[jojo54]

99. It's not you. They are.

I guess the word's gotten out that this hearing is kicking ass and taking names.

[Pacifist Patriot]

91. 2 odd thoughts and 2 predictions

Thoughts:

1. I really wish I knew something as an insider that could contribute to the hearing. I'd love to be there in person to blast the administration as a witness. But alas, I don't.

2. These female reps are beautiful women, inside and out.

Predictions for January 1, 2006:

1. You will be hard pressed to find anyone to proudly admit they voted for Shrub in 2004.

2. The press will be singing the "we knew it all along" refrain over and over in perfect harmony.

[BlueEyedSon]

92. Barbara Lee asks: who's regime are we going to change next?

N Korea?
Iran?
Venezuela?

[BeTheChange]

95. Gotta love Barbara Lee..

who knows what's next.. Iran, Syria.. we dont know.

[Im with Rosey]

96. People keep pouring in

Has anyone counted how many Reps are in the room now?

[Pacifist Patriot]

112. No clue, but it's making a small room look even tinier.

[Just Me]

97. Lee: Was the info re WMDs above Powell and Rice's pay grade?

:rofl:

Since there were no WMDs, didn't Powell and Rice know?

[Just Me]

103. Preemption HAS NO PLACE in international law.

[Bush_Eats_Beef]

98. "Did Colin 'n' Condi know, or was this above their pay grade?"

Answer: "Powell earned his persona by saluting the person on top. Rice's record of veracity is undistinguished."

[kaitykaity]

102. Ray McGovern -- "Powell will salute."

Rice "Her record for veracity is undistinghished."

[fla nocount]

106. Powell is a YES man........Condi has no "veracitiy"= liar

[fla nocount]

116. We're not courageous, we're civil servants, this is our job

[BlueEyedSon]

107. McGovern on Rice: "her record for veracity is undistinguished."

:rofl:

[marions ghost]

110. Rep Barbara Lee

Resolution of Inquiry --1st step to Impeachment
Asks question:
Did Powell and Rice know that this policy was being put together to justify the Iraq invasion? McGovern answers: Powell "saluted"
Condi Rice--"her reputation for veracity is undistinguished"
Pre-emption -- it's illegal and need to do what we can to change it

[Bush_Eats_Beef]

113. Joe Wilson: "what we're doing sitting here ISN'T COURAGE...

...it's CIVIC DUTY. Courage is 1700 Americans who gave their lives and the soldiers who are still over there fighting. THAT'S what courage is"

[Just Me]

119. That was a fabulous statement!!!

:patriot:

[BlueEyedSon]

114. Where are O'Neill and Clarke???

[Pacifist Patriot]

120. I was wondering the same thing. I had hoped they would be there.

I really thought Clarke would be there.

[BlueEyedSon]

122. Right, they are non-partisan and.or non-dems nt

[in_cog_ni_to]

115. Joe Wilson..."This is not courage, this is our CIVIC DUTY"

Courage is those soldiers in Iraq.

[Pacifist Patriot]

121. Beautifully said, wasn't it?

[in_cog_ni_to]

131. Truly. n/t

[slybacon9]

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[in_cog_ni_to]

123. Sounds like they are being rushed because they have a vote on the floor

of the House? :(

[faithnotgreed]

125. rep moran asks why did we go? real motivation cant wait to hear answers

oil? he asks
saddam a threat?

ray mcgovern says all of the above

OIL
o - oil
i - israel
l - logistical

[Just Me]

128. The real motivation for the war Oil Israel Logistics OIL

WOW!!! :wow:

[CantGetFooledAgain]

130. May I just say how f***ing awesome this hearing is?

I am enjoying the hell out of this.

[faithnotgreed]

142. thank you john conyers!!! we love you

and all your witnesses are beautiful

[Triana]

132. O.I.L

Oil
Israel
Logistics

Says McGovern - why bu$hit invaded Iraq.

[Pryderi]

133. PNAC MENTIONED!

[in_cog_ni_to]

149. Corrine Brown is there!

:bounce:

Charlie Rangel is up!!! Go Charlie!

[in_cog_ni_to]

153. The evidence that is building up looks like impeachment.

Charlie is sad because he never wanted to believe a prez would lie to his country. (paraphrased)

[slybacon9]

134. O I L

Oil
Isreal
Logistical vision of the Neocons in the Middle East

[marions ghost]

135. Jim Moran D VA asks

Why did we do it? Oil? What was the real motivation?

McGovern answers:

O, I, L = OIL, ISRAEL, LOGISTICAL BASE IN ME

[glitch]

174. Only part right - raiding treasuries and coorporate profiteering should be

included on any list of why.

[faithnotgreed]

136. maxine waters: we have been quiet for too long

amen!

she says
things are beginning to happen. the out of iraq caucus is moving

[myrna minx]

165. Amen indeed.

This meeting is giving me goosebumps. Could this be the turning point? For the sake of our beloved nation, I hope so.

[Bush_Eats_Beef]

137. "Our President, mesmerized by Ariel Sharon, who has him...

...wrapped around his little finger"

War for Oil, Israel, and strategic advantage as the result of occupying Iraq.

Vote coming up on exit strategy.

[indy_azcat]

138. Maxine waters speaking

n/t

[Just Me]

139. They have to wrap-up to vote on timetable withdrawal from Iraq.

[Just Me]

148. Oh, no, the matter is going to continue!!!

YEAH!!!!

[fla nocount]

140. OIL= O il, I srael, L everage

[Pacifist Patriot]

157. Oil, Isreal, Logistics

[redacted]

141. Now CSPAN's Windows Media feed is starting to drop out

[eleny]

145. refresh your screen

[redacted]

160. How does one refresh a video feed?

[eleny]

172. what I did when the feed went black...

was to hit the refresh button onmy computer. but maybe you're watching c-span 3 on tv. then you can go here to watch on the internet if possible. http://www.cspan.org/watch/cspan3_wm.asp?Cat=TV&Code=CS3

[slybacon9]

144. has anyone mentioned the signatures yet?

[marions ghost]

146. Maxine Waters (D CA)

OUT OF IRAQ CAUCUS--announces formation of

[goclark]

154. Go Maxine!

Out of Iraq!!

[jillan]

147. Maxine - WOOOOOO HOOOOO

We're going to work!

[BlueEyedSon]

150. GO CHARLIE (Rangel)!!!

[Pacifist Patriot]

155. Excellent question Mr. Rangel, excellent question.

"This is historic." Damn right!

[BlueEyedSon]

156. "Do we have enough info to believe that the POTUS knew that

Iraq was no threat?"

[cynatnite]

151. Can we start a new thread please? n/t

[faithnotgreed]

158. charlie rangel asks if we have enough information to hold investigations

if bush deliberately misled

go john bonifaz! he says yes. hold hearings and if under oath it is determined that it was lack of intelligence then so be it
but we all deserve to know the truth!

[Singular73]

161. Bonifaz isnt half bad...

Political aspirations?

[Gelliebeans]

170. my thoughts also

he has been concise and clear about the DSM and made it clear for the general public just being introduced to this now.

[praxiz]

162. Webtv

Anyone know if this is streamed online?

Stupid CNN Europe isn't even mentioning this.

[chalky]

168. can you get to www.cspan.org?

I'm having some success with the windows player there.

[Chichiri]

163. DSM Hearing Thread 5 has been started

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3874731

[Pacifist Patriot]

164. COX! Republican!!!!

Whoa! He's blasting the Bush administration.

[jojo54]

166. Started thread no. 5

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3874737

[fooj]

167. This is slated to be on Nightline ...

got the info off Conyer's blog! I am full of pride! What a beautiful day... a day of TRUTH!

peace.

[fla nocount]

169. Rangel, "sufficient evidence for Inquiry?".........Yes

[lynch03]

171. 4:45 full report on DSM and the hearings on MSNBC, just heard now

[EarlG]

175. Thread 5 is up

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3874731