Schultz making the case that the Durbin apology

[kaitykaity]

being used to push through the flag burning
legislation just passed in the House.

That now Senate Democrats are just weak enough
on such issues that they can finally get this
through.

Interesting.

He had a caller, a woman who made the Republican
case for love of country and love of flag and then
she hammered it home with "the government telling
anyone what they can or can't do with the symbols
of the country is dangerous.

Not bad. (I bash Schultz regularly, but this was
very good.)

[bahrbearian]

1. "Little Eddie Schultz"?

[jmaier]

2. Frankly I think that

the "liberal and/or progressive" media needs to quiet down over the Durbin issue and let events move on. With respect to the flag burning amendment, well, save our energy for more important battles.

[BurtWorm]

3. I doubt it.

They must have been planning to pop this Amendment bill in when their numbers got low enough, not realizing that it might make their numbers go even lower.

[kaitykaity]

4. To make the numbers go up you mean?

Usually you work to get things you really want
when the numbers are high. Things just sail through
because people are afraid to go against you.

At least that's the way I thought it worked.

Anyway, they've wanted this for a long time but
haven't been able to get it.

Now they think they can. There has to be a reason.
That's all.

[BurtWorm]

6. I mean the GOP seems to think they can yank this chestnut out

anytime they want to make themselves look more patriotic than Democrats. They do it only because they know the Democrats are going to oppose it. They don't really give a shit if it becomes law or not. All they care about is making themselves look more "American" than Democrats because they think that makes them invulnerable at election time.

[kaitykaity]

8. That's ideology. I'm talking about mechanics.

You know, moving the pieces around the board
one by one. Who did what to who and when and
why.

[BurtWorm]

10. I think they don't expect this to go through.

I really think it's just on hand to pull out when they want to make Republicans look like the America loving party. I'm a total cynic about this bill.

One thing that contradicts my cynical theory is that now the Republicans are in a position to actually pass it and sign it. They'll still have to have it pass a certain number of legislatures (33, I think?) by a certain date in order for it to become an actual amendment.

[stillcool]

5. how about this instead?

On Monday, House Democrats stopped debate on a defense spending bill to protest a comment by Rep. John Hostettler, R-Ind., that, "like moths to a flame, Democrats can't help themselves when it comes to denigrating and demonizing Christians."

...the Dems had his words taken down...tit for tat

[kaitykaity]

7. Oh, their reaction to Durbin.

They were mad about Hostettler so they took it out
on Durbin.

[stillcool]

12. yeah, i don't think they really give a sh*t....

about most of the bullcrap out to lunch stuff they bring up. Its such a frigging soap opera orchestrated to hide what's going out the back door...and, any of their own getting spanked just will not do.

[kaitykaity]

13. Well, one good thing is if they're up in arms about this,

it means they're not doing any more damage with
things like tort reform or more big business
boondoggles.

Starting to look like Custer's last stand, that
they've pulled out what they think is their
unbeatable trump card.

[KharmaTrain]

9. Begala Made An Interesting Point

I'm no fan of appeasement Paul these days, but he did point out, astutely, that Durbin "step in it", as the Repugnicans were starting to churn themselves up about this issue and we got into their fight.

The crossing of the political "rubicon" of a couple Repugnican Congressmen to sponsor a joint resolution to withdraw the troops was a big, big deal...and highly under-reported. There was no Repugnican who was willing to join Kucinich on such a resolution only 3 months ago. The worm is turning, we're just getting too anxious.

I applaud Senator Durbin's statements and regret he was forced to back down, but maybe best these words next come from a Repugnican...and they will. This doesn't put Gitmo or this issue or this smelly war any closer to resolution and Durbin's words changes nothing. Only this regime's supporters...the people Ed Schultz tries to connect with...are the ones who hold the keys to starting to end this long nightmare.

Democrats played the SSI game right by not taking this regime's bait of putting out a plan and it forced Bunnypants to cave to pressure in his own party. Our best results with this sad war lie in the same way...so do our chances to win seats in 2006.

Cheers!

[kaitykaity]

11. Giving the Thugs enough rope to hang themselves.

It did seem that things were going pretty well for us,
and this Durbin thing exploded. It's a tempest en a
teapot, it's all they've got, and yet here we are with
flag burning legislation?

It's not connecting for me, how this could be happening
with everything else that's going on.

[KharmaTrain]

14. You've Got To Follow The Ball

Flag burning is a "beat your wife" issue. This one comes up every congress...totally unconstitutional, but written in a way Repugnican congressman can posture on the house floor...get the sounbites on the local news and in the Congressional record to use for fundraising. It's a non-issue that they've attempted to ramp up time and time again. It almost worked post 9/11...it may work someday again, and they'll stay at it as long as it brings in votes and money. Democrats play into this when they try to fight these games. A good example was the gay marriage non-ammendment...by making a political fuss about it, the issue became a lot more politically "radioactive" and then used by the GOOP against the Democrats. We can't let those things happen too often.

Regretfully, we're seeing the burning of the village here. We have little but our computers, clear heads and consciouses while the game plays out before us. Until enough people join us next year in the polls to reverse the levers of power in this government our best expectations is to keep vigilant, speak to those who will listen and remain relentless in our demands for answers and the truth.

[kaitykaity]

15. No, no, there's more to it than that.

Not eve a loss for us (the apology and the amendment) if it
can be placed in the bigger picture.

We should invent a new acronym like NII -- non-issue issue.
Says it all. Lots of them.

But how to cut through it??

Mechanically, boots on the ground.

[Disturbed]

16. RW distraction.

Take attention away from Impeachment.

[Qanisqineq]

17. Re: you bash Schultz regularly

I was just gonna say, what are you doing listening to him!?! :hi:

Ugh. Why are republicans so damn worried about this? Maybe it's just me, but I don't get it.

[kaitykaity]

18. Laziness.

I work from home, no TV in the office, need noise
to keep me focused but it has to be in the other room
because I work with audio files all day, need to hear.

The radio's in the other room and I'm too lazy to
change from Franken to music back to Randi when she
comes on.