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jen4clark Donating Member (812 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-05 07:51 AM
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Anthrax Spores and Giuliani Lore
Edited on Mon Jun-27-05 07:53 AM by jen4clark
Forgive me for the post and run. Will be back later but I feel so strongly that this information needs to be put out to as many as possible - sort of a "watch out for this" type of thing. I'm linking to CCN (Clark Community Network) where ms in los angeles posted this this to her blog. She doesn't post here and has given me permission to spread it far and wide. Please feel free to pass it on.
(edited to fix link)

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Anthrax Spores and Giuliani Lore
by m s in los angeles CA
http://m-s-in-los-angeles-ca.forclark.com/story/2005/6/19/51119/2375

This is a collaboration of research from the past months. Connect the dots. Pay attention to the names. You decide!

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About Anthrax:

All the anthrax mailed in 2001 came from a single source. The FBI person of interest was Dr. Steven J. Hatfill who worked at Ft. Detrick, MD., had access, wrote and lectured about anthrax usage as bio warfare, but when his home was searched no evidence of his involvement was discovered.

1400 strains of anthrax bacterium exist....each harbors 3 different DNAs. DNA analysis can trace its origin. The 3 DNAs from Robert Stevens strain (See story below) were sequenced, leaving no question of it's origins. The 3 DNAs were all 99.99% identical to the "Ames Strain" of anthrax stockpiled at the US Army Medical Research Institute for Infectious Diseases at Ft. Detrick, MD. (USAMRIID) According to New Scientist, the data showed the anthrax originated there and was up to 3 years old.

After the September 11 attacks, the Bush administration repeatedly tried to link the anthrax attacks to Saddam Hussein and Iraq...unsuccessfully. See the NY Times article. It was to be yet another pretext for war with Iraq. But UN Weapons Inspector Scott Ritter knew this to be false information. He knew the strain of anthrax that Iraq had and knew it was not the same one mailed here in the U.S. He said there was "no verifiable link whatsoever" See his article; "Don't Blame Saddam for this One". At this time, according to the new book "Chatter" by Patrick Keefe-- Mr. Ritter was being surveilled and bugged by our own NSA listeners on a regular basis.


Timeline: ... (too long to post, detailed and informative! Please see here:
http://m-s-in-los-angeles-ca.forclark.com/story/2005/6/19/51119/2375)

SUMMARY: So is it a coincidence? Bio One is the buyer of the Crown Co. years earlier that purchases the AMI building-- the supposedly anonymous unrelated buyer David Rustine. Then Giuliani forms a company in 2004, and of all names available, randomly chooses "Bio One" as his new corporate name and trademarks it. What luck! This could be a separate and unique Bio One, and appears on closer examination to be so. They instantly hook up with Rustine- the other Bio One and get the contract to clean up his new bldg in Florida! And get to move in the entire new Bio One company to boot (rental amts were not disclosed) Seems almost serendipitous that the unrelated David Rustine of Bio One would so swiftly dismiss his "relative"'s company (Marcor) who had reportedly already been contracted to do the decontamination--- which was the very reason he was touted as the Perfect Buyer of the building....he could cheaply clean it up with his relative's company, Marcor. But, wham, bang-- he hires Rudy's company...er...Bio One, instead. Just days after the company announces it's formation.

Bio One was solidly intent of total destruction/ shredding/incineration of all the evidence, I mean the "contents" within the building from its half dozen or so tabloid newspapers over the decades. When Rustine was threatened by lawsuits from the photographers, it was also discovered at the same time that the pictures could be decontaminated by gas and NOT destroyed in the process. Still, it was many months before that procedure was agreed to by Bio One. Then things began to fall apart -- economic contract problems vaguely cited as the reasons. Photo decontamination began and was halted aprubtly by petulant workers walking off the site, Guiliani threatens not to keep his pledge as a future tenant of the building and thus far, no resolution in sight.


http://m-s-in-los-angeles-ca.forclark.com/story/2005/6/19/51119/2375
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Monkie Donating Member (675 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-05 08:24 AM
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1. pretty amazing that "terrorists" attack enemies of the adminstration
with weaponized anthrax that it is said could only come from the american military-industrial complex

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/newsnight/archive/1873368.stm

"A Newsnight investigation raised the possibility that there was a secret CIA project to investigate methods of sending anthrax through the mail which went madly out of control.

The shocking assertion is that a key member of the covert operation may have removed, refined and eventually posted weapons-grade anthrax which killed five people.

~snip~
COLONEL DAVID FRANZ:
FORMER DETRICK MEDICAL RESEARCH PROG, 1987-98:
It's not someone who just got on the Internet or went to the library and got a book and held the book in one hand and a big wooden spoon in the other and stirred up batches. It's someone who has spent a significant amount of time I believe working with a spore former of some kind and knew how to grow ...and how to purify and how to dry"

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/1719534.stm
"Last week it was acknowledged that the US military has in recent years been making weaponised anthrax, of a type that matches the anthrax used to lace the lethal letters.
~snip~
"The weaponised anthrax is made by a highly secret process belonging to the United States, and the material seems to fit that recipe. Their best lead at present is the contractor that worked for the CIA.""
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-05 12:17 PM
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7. and the Corporate Media completely dropped this story,,,didn't they?
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ChrisPhx Donating Member (122 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-05 02:33 PM
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9. Yes, such a coincidence
And now the involvement of former Mayor G with clean up and an insurance firm for the spores, is just another coincidence.

Amazing.

Like the terror attack training that had already been scheduled for Sept 12 in NYC.

You don't suppose...



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Bruce McAuley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-05 08:51 AM
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2. Very chilling stuff, good research, recommended.
They say hindsight is 20/20...

Bruce
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-05 08:55 AM
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3. recommended & let's keep this kicked for the day
:kick:
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-05 09:04 AM
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4. Thanks
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jhain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-05 09:29 AM
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5. Help me out
Edited on Mon Jun-27-05 09:37 AM by jhain
I remembered saving this- still have it in my puter -and a quick search of the Guardian archives shows it is still there.


Am I the only person for whom this struck a nerve at the time??
How about NOW?

This can be found online:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,,576869,00.html



Nairobi confirms anthrax cases

Family of four infected by letter posted before September 11

Chris McGreal in Johannesburg
Friday October 19, 2001
The Guardian

Kenyan authorities said yesterday that four people in Nairobi have tested positive for anthrax, the first confirmed cases of the bacteria outside the US.

The Kenyan health minister, Sam Ongeri, said the anthrax was discovered in a letter, containing cloth and white powder, posted in Atlanta three days before the destruction of the World Trade Centre. All of those infected are from the same family.

The FBI is assisting Kenyan authorities with investigations into the source and strain of anthrax, and two other suspect letters containing white powder discovered in Nairobi yesterday. One of them was posted from Pakistan to the United Nations environment programme offices in the city. The other originated in Kenya.

Article continues
"On Wednesday, October 17 three suspected cases were reported to the ministry. One of the samples tested positive by stain and smear," Mr Ongeri said. "We would like to ask all Kenyans not to panic, but to remain calm."

more...

(edited to fix a copy and paste mistake.)
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Bruce McAuley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-05 12:03 PM
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6. Just a little kick for the noon crowd, this is important stuff.
My thought is wondering if Bush knew about THIS before it happened?

Bruce
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Ganja Ninja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-05 12:52 PM
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8. I've always had my doubts about Bushco complicity in ...
the attacks on 9/11.

But the Anthrax attacks are another matter entirely. Very few people had access to the Anthrax. Only someone working at the facility or someone who has unlimited access to all military facilities (like Military Intelligence) could get their hands on it.

The Employees working there in the day time would most likely be working in pairs for safety and security reasons and would have to follow strict procedures. They would have been under tight controls, signing out materials and accounting for the everything.

Now lets suppose you were going to commit this crime. You couldn't just take home a jar full of Anthrax and spoon it into the envelopes then run out and mail them. You would contaminate your house, car, yourself and everything you came in contact with along the way both before and after mailing. The envelopes had to be prepared in a lab and sealed in a container prior to mailing in order to prevent any unintended contamination. An everyday employee, working with a partner at all times wouldn't be able to do that. Only someone that could access the labs without supervision could have prepared the envelopes for mailing.
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Bruce McAuley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-05 05:45 PM
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10. This is not something you could do outside a lab...
PLUS the fact the FBI has closed the investigation begs the question of who had enough pull to create this scenario.
Looks pretty self evident this was a preplanned scenario, and they just "bought" the plan complete, with as few knowledgeable folks in on it as possible. This is "the kicker" to get people to wonder what the hell's going on, and it opened up a "second front", which has since been quietly folded up and is fast disappearing from public consciousness.
And why send anthrax to Republicans, if they're your friends, eh?
Looks like we anthraxed ourself.

Bruce
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-05 05:55 PM
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11. I believe the AMI building was sold to a friend of Jeb's
for $40,000.

That's right, a huge building sitting on 5+ acres on I-95 in Lantana was sold to a friend of Jeb's for $40,000. Nice deal.

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