Christian News Wire: Gays are disturbed, crazy

[Bluebear]

I love this bit: "As usual, women more frequently tested disturbed than men."

So the mechanics at work involve reviling a whole subset of the human race, forbid them from marrying then rail at their promiscuity, then point out various disturbances based on costumes seen at a parade which involves a small percentage of same subset.

Sounds like precision "science".

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Contact: Paul Cameron, Ph.D. Chairman, Family Research Institute, 303-681-3113, [e-mail]

COLORADO SPRINGS, Co., June 28 /Christian Wire Service/ -- Ever wonder how sane people could do what gays do in Gay Pride parades? The nudity, the sex acts, the weird costumes? A new Centers for Disease Control study provides one answer: more gays are mentally disturbed.

Dr. Paul Cameron -- Chairman of the Colorado-based Family Research Institute -- announced today the publication of a report that sheds new light on the mental health of homosexuals. This scholarly report – which appears in the current issue of the peer-reviewed journal Psychological Reports -- is an analysis of a 1996 study by the U. S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention that was, for a time, withheld from the general public, probably because of its explosive content. In fact, the CDC has thus far declined to publish most of the results of the sexual questions posed by the study. According to Cameron, this study is the largest comprehensive random sex survey in U.S. history.

The facts are straight forward. When tested for 4 different kinds of common mental illness, gays scored higher. Indeed, 17% of gays v. 11% of straights tested as disturbed on at least one of the tests administered by the CDC. As usual, women more frequently tested disturbed than men (8% of men; 13% of women). And also as usual, homosexuals more frequently tested as disturbed (16% of gays, 19% of lesbians).

"Disturbed people do crazy things," said Dr. Cameron, who headed the three man team that published the study. "This craziness isn't due to discrimination. Blacks have been discriminated against for hundreds of years, and if anything tested a tad less disturbed. Thus, 10% of Blacks v. 11% of whites tested as disturbed, and only 4% of blacks v. 5% of whites had seen a mental health professional in the past 12 months. 12% of gays had been to a shrink in the past year (10% of gays, 14% of lesbians). Indeed, virtually every major sexuality survey that has looked at the issue has reported the same thing – homosexuals are more frequently mentally 'off.' In the CDC study, gays were twice as apt to report at least 2 problems with cigarette use (41% v. 18% for straights) and pot use (12% v. 5%). Blacks were no different than whites in problems with cigarettes (18% v. 18%) and just slightly more apt to report problems with pot use (6% v 4%)."

http://www.earnedmedia.org/fri0628.htm

[BlueEyedSon]

1. Reality-based newswire: Christians are disturbed, crazy

[DBoon]

4. Gays don't hear god speaking to them

saying that christians are evil.

Now who is crazy and disturbed?

[area51]

47. Qualify, please.

Some Christians are disturbed and crazy.

[BlueEyedSon]

48. Right. And the ones who "seem OK" lend legitimacy to the cuckoo-bananas.

[atommom]

2. Pot, meet kettle.

:banghead:

Honestly, I would take any statistics these people offer with a king-sized boulder of salt. They started with the desired outcome, and worked backwards.

[roseBudd]

3. Ever wonder how Parrotheads could dress so weird at a Buffet concert?

Ever wonder how supposedly sane adults could dress so weird on Halloween?

[ck4829]

5. Not this AGAIN

A couple of weeks ago, Cameron said this EXACT SAME REPORT said that Gays were more likely to become criminals.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3845673

[Alpharetta]

6. Author cites his own study

How scholarly was the study, anyway?

Care to offer it for review, "Dr." Cameron?

[Chipper Chat]

7. My reply to "Doctor" Cameron:

Why don't you use your time for more relevant studies; like why Southern Baptists are so prejudiced and xenophobic?
Fuck you and the christian horse you rode in on.

[ComerPerro]

8. Maybe they should test their hero, Bush

Because, he is one disturbed asshole.

[HockeyMom]

9. How about distributed Christians?

Like Fred Phelps demonstrating at the funeral of solder killed in Iraq. "GOD is killing our soldiers in Iraq because of the gays in this country."

You want SICK, DISTRIBUTED people who need psychiatric help? Start with PHELPS and his ilk.

[ComerPerro]

21. distributed?

spell-check gone wrong?

LOL

[HockeyMom]

27. Yep

:blush:

[ComerPerro]

28. Well, to be fair, Phelps distributes his family all over the US

to spread his disturbed philosophy.

[meegbear]

10. BWAH-HAHAHAHA!!

I'm disturbed and PROUD!

Thank you BB for showing us what fuck-heads these people are.

[MissB]

11. Cameron is a nut job.

[The Magistrate]

12. It Occurs To Me, Mr. Bear

To wonder what degree of "disturbance" would be displayed if there were not a societal climate welcoming to bigotry against homosexuals, and active campaigns in furtherance of same, in so many parts of the country....

[Bluebear]

13. Your honor, your insights are unimpeachable. n/t

[Bill McBlueState]

31. good call

Any real study asks, "What is the cause of the correlation?" And it seems obvious to even the armchair social scientist that the cause of this correlation could well be societal attitudes toward gays. I don't know how to access the study itself, but I'm sure this point is not addressed.

[11 Bravo]

14. Dr. Cameron is correct when he says ...

that African-Americans have been discriminated against for years. He neglects to point out that such discrimination, while most certainly still in existence, is illegal. On the other hand, discrimination against GLBT citizens is not only on the rise, but the asshats currently in power are attempting to enshrine it in the Constitution of the United States. I'm straight and that disturbs the shit out of me. If I were gay, I would be tempted to go Charles Whitman on somebody's ass!

[gratuitous]

15. Ignorace dressed up as science

Is still ignorance.

[ComerPerro]

24. And isn't it interesting that these people, who normally reject science

such as evolutionary theory, readily accept shit like this?

And they deny Carbon Dating, because there isn't enough evidence!!!

[Cats Against Frist]

30. Yeah -- isn't that just "psychobabble?"

By the way, as another poster above sort of hinted at -- part of the reason they might see a shrink more, is because they have a completely different set of sexual constructs/mores than 90 percent of the people, around them. I'm sure more fat people see psychiatrists. I'm sure more people with amputated limbs see psychiatrists. It's the fuckheads like Cameron that divide us by differences and alienated us from our fellow humans that send people into therapy, in the first place.

[ComerPerro]

35. Good point

Not so much about the discrimination or persecution angle (the study tries to diminish this by saying that black people seek less therapy than whites) but because of their desires that are directly in conflict with society's message.

[gratuitous]

36. Not to mention

The fundies' steadfast belief in the "created" nature of everything, right down to "created" dinosaur fossils with "created" dinosaur shit in their "created" dinosaur alimentary tracts.

But suggest that gay people are "created" the way they are by our loving and all-knowing Creator, and suddenly a God who don't make no mistakes and who created everything is impotent in the face of the dreaded homosekshual agenda!

[ComerPerro]

40. Well, they don't believe that people are naturally (born) gay

They see it as an immoral choice that people make (as though someone wakes up one day and says, "Hey, I am going to be attracted to my same sex, and face persecution and insult for the rest of my life becuase I think that will be fun!"

So, to them, God made them straight. They just choose to sin.

[gratuitous]

42. It kind of depends on the day

On Mondays, Wednesdays, and Fridays, homosexuality is a choice; on Tuesdays, Thursdays and Saturdays, it's the way they are. It all depends on whether they're trying to condemn homosexuals to Hell everlasting or entice them in for "reparative" therapy.

What about Sundays? Too busy watching football or NASCAR.

[ComerPerro]

43. Good response

Depends on their argument.

[TriMetFan]

16. I send this wacko and friends a e-mail.

Here it is.

Your hate for people that are Gay/Lesbian is what is disturbing. Have you ever gone to Mardi Gra? I guess you would have to put all those straight people in the disturbed column too. So what is your plan to round up all the Gay/Lesbians and do what the Nazi's did? My God forgive you for being so sick and for miss using His words to harm others.


It may not be much, but it felt good to e-mail them.

[Bluebear]

17. Good for you. Thank you. n/t

[donco6]

18. Let's look at this, shall we?

>>Disturbed people do crazy things," said Dr. Cameron, who headed the three man team that published the study. "This craziness isn't due to discrimination. Blacks have been discriminated against for hundreds of years, and if anything tested a tad less disturbed.

It sounds like he's saying that discrimination doesn't cause mental illness, because blacks - who have obviously suffered from discrimination for many years - test lower for mental illness. But blacks aren't being told that they are inherently evil, either! Just MAYBE that has something to do with it! Could it be because society has loudly stated that discrimination against blacks is wrong (regardless of whether it still happens or not), whereas groups like his are saying discriminating against gays is good because gays are inherently evil? That would drive a lot of people to drink and smoke too.

>>Thus, 10% of Blacks v. 11% of whites tested as disturbed, and only 4% of blacks v. 5% of whites had seen a mental health professional in the past 12 months. 12% of gays had been to a shrink in the past year (10% of gays, 14% of lesbians).

And who's fault is it that we're being driven to psychologists? And why is that bad in itself? As a psychologist (of sorts), I'd think Cameron would put it in the "plus" column that "mentally ill" people see mental health professionals :sarcasm:.

>>Indeed, virtually every major sexuality survey that has looked at the issue has reported the same thing – homosexuals are more frequently mentally 'off.' In the CDC study, gays were twice as apt to report at least 2 problems with cigarette use (41% v. 18% for straights) and pot use (12% v. 5%). Blacks were no different than whites in problems with cigarettes (18% v. 18%) and just slightly more apt to report problems with pot use (6% v 4%)."

Cigarette use and mental health? Pot use and mental health? Those things are signs of mental instability? Sez who? And again, when people are ghettoized into smokey bars and clubs as the only allowed social venues, why would anyone be surprised that more of us smoke? Duh.

Cameron just continues to trumpet his own idiocy.

[Democracy White]

19. Well, well, well

So I guess I am disturbed, huh?

Other than the fact that I am actually mentally ill and developmentally impaired among other things. I am still normal and functioning.

What about all of the "nice Republican Christians" that go around ranting about other things that they hate. Sounds like they got a closet distrubance.


I mean look at Ann Coulter in that sig line, now doesn't she look like she's crazy??? Bitch needs to be on meds.


Dee

[OrlandoGator]

20. I can't wait for Jesus to return and bless gay AIDS patients.

...And the cranial explosions from the Fundies that would soon ensue.

[insane_cratic_gal]

22. So by the same science

those who support gay rights, and tolerance are probably crazy too!

btw
Uh, When did the CDC get "A new Centers for Disease Control" ?

[Cats Against Frist]

23. Two points

1. That would mean that all college students, Halloween, anyone who's been to Mardi Gras, and the whole of Las Vegas is "demented." (Of course, these sex-on-plastic-sheets whackjobs would probably agree).

and

2. It's only demented if it's loving, consentual sex between two people of the same sex. Ass-raping your wife, against her will, is perfectly fine.

[libnnc]

25. It takes one to know one Camoron.

Fuck you and your cooked up bullshit. Bastards.

[Bluebear]

26. "Camoron"...I like it! n/t

[Misunderestimator]

29. LMFAO

Hey everyone... there's a 19% likelihood that I am DISTURBED!! :rofl:

(I'm often mad... but definitely not disturbed.)

As for seeing a shrink... I guess they don't consider the fact that THEIR HATE AND BIGOTRY are the cause of most emotional issues gay people would have (if indeed any of this is accurate). And is it a NEGATIVE to see a therapist? I suppose repressing everything is much better.

[Bluebear]

32. "As usual, women more frequently tested disturbed than men."

You've had it.

[Misunderestimator]

33. Yep... as usual.

:) :hi:

[Bill McBlueState]

34. Camoron hates women, too.

As usual, women more frequently tested disturbed than men (8% of men; 13% of women).

So there's something inherently wrong with being a woman as well, and if women only pray, they can find their way out of sinfulness and lead the life God has ordained for them -- that of a man.

:eyes:

[Bluebear]

39. "As usual." n/t

[atommom]

46. But ... but ... wouldn't that make them lesbians?

Or perhaps even transexuals? :shrug:

[Hell Hath No Fury]

37. Damn, I wish I had a dick...

so I could tell "Dr." Cameron to suck it!

I'm sorry, but there is just no place in this world for "christianity" or "science" like this -- and I dare anyone to call me a bigot for saying so.

[Bill McBlueState]

38. Sloppy statistics

This "study" is offensive on so many levels, one of which is the poor handling of statistics. There's no indication anywhere of the number of people studied. This makes it completely impossible to know the most important thing we need to know: what is the margin of error -- what is a real difference, and what can be attributed to random fluctuations?

The author has no objection to the fact that 13% of women in the sample are "disturbed" while 8% of men are. That 5% difference is no cause for encoding discrimination in the Constitution. Yet a 6% difference between gays and straights is apparently all the reason in the world to keep on hating.

[jonnyblitz]

41. Paul Cameron was discredited YEARS ago.

I can't believe I am still seeing his name around as a legit source!

[NMMNG]

44. Paul Cameron was condemned by the APA and ASA 20 years ago

He is not a legitimate researcher and is no longer a Psychologist.


On December 2, 1983, the American Psychological Association sent Paul Cameron a letter informing him that he had been dropped from membership. Early in 1984, all members of the American Psychological Association received official written notice that "Paul Cameron (Nebraska) was dropped from membership for a violation of the Preamble to the Ethical Principles of Psychologists" by the APA

*snip*

At its membership meeting on October 19, 1984, the Nebraska Psychological Association adopted a resolution stating that it "formally disassociates itself from the representations and interpretations of scientific literature offered by Dr. Paul Cameron in his writings and public statements on sexuality."

In 1985, the American Sociological Association (ASA) adopted a resolution which asserted that "Dr. Paul Cameron has consistently misinterpreted and misrepresented sociological research on sexuality, homosexuality, and lesbianism" and noted that "Dr. Paul Cameron has repeatedly campaigned for the abrogation of the civil rights of lesbians and gay men, substantiating his call on the basis of his distorted interpretation of this research."7 The resolution formally charged an ASA committee with the task of "critically evaluating and publicly responding to the work of Dr. Paul Cameron."

*snip*

Cameron's credibility was also questioned outside of academia. In his written opinion in Baker v. Wade (1985), Judge Buchmeyer of the U.S. District Court of Dallas referred to "Cameron's sworn statement that 'homosexuals abuse children at a proportionately greater incident than do heterosexuals,'" and concluded that "Dr. Paul Cameron...has himself made misrepresentations to this Court" and that "There has been no fraud or misrepresentations except by Dr. Cameron" (p.536).




Paul Cameron is nothing but a Bigot and a quack.

[Zodiak]

45. I knew I smelled a rat

Psychological reports may claim to be a peer-reviewed journal, but it is VERY low on the respect totem pole as far as scientific Psychological publications go. They have been cited a total of 6 times, which is REALLY, REALLY low and a good indicator of how "accepte" the findings of that journal are. And I bet those 6 citations are all from papers that discredit the work.

The publication is a family-run publication that charges its contributors for publication, which is fairly rare nowadays.

I got all of this info through 3 minutes with Google...I'm sure that googling some more would dig up more stuff, but I am not interested in this topic enough to pursue it further.

And that is not EVEN addressing the correlation vs. causality argument, which is not addressed at all in this article.