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LibertyorDeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 09:32 PM
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THE PENTAGON'S NEW ARMIES OF THE NIGHT
Foreign Correspondent
INSIDE TRACK ON WORLD NEWS
by international syndicated columnist & broadcaster Eric Margolis

The Pentagon's new spy arm will be largely excluded from Congressional oversight or media examination. Its special operations teams will roam the globe, killing or kidnapping at will, torturing suspects, and bringing down governments, all under cover of `deep black' missions of which no records will be kept, and no questions asked.

Equally worrying, the Pentagon's new special ops units are headed up by notorious religious fanatic and loudmouth, Lt. Gen. William Boykin, who calls the US Army, `the house of God,' and Islamic insurgents, `agents of Satan;' and told Muslims `my God is bigger than your god, which is an idol. '

Boykin's command will now dispatch post-modern Christian crusaders to cleanse the world of Satanic Muslims and other miscreants. The Pentagon's new special forces will be able to hire local armies and hit men, as well as run ops of which CIA knows nothing. The 9/11 Commission called for improved intra-agency cooperation and data sharing - what we will now get is far less cooperation, as the Pentagon goes its own, secret way.

Equally worrisome, the Pentagon's new `black' warriors will not be supervised by a normal military chain of command or some degree of Congressional oversight, as were CIA combat teams. These irregular forces will draw into their ranks rabid ideologists, uniformed bounty hunters, and Bible Belt mutants wearing t-shirts proclaiming, `kill em'all, let God sort'em out.' These militarized thugs and video arcade Rambos are sure to run amok, commit serious crimes, and drag America's once good name ever deeper into the mud.

More http://www.bigeye.com/fc020705.htm
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norml Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 09:40 PM
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1. Recommended
This is important stuff.
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LibertyorDeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 10:36 PM
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6. Thanks norml
Yes they're playing for keeps and this is no dress rehearsal.

I think many people find this all to far fetched.
They should go spend some time with the survivors of South Americas Dictatorships, most of which were brought to power by the help and support of the American Military & the CIA.

They are well on their way to finishing a foundation for an American
police state IMO
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Lisa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 09:53 PM
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2. and this way the Wretched Man gets to deny everything ...
"I had absolutely no idea those thugs were murdering and torturing in America's name. But since these activities happened in "failed states" with no laws, alas, we can't prosecute them."

It's kind of a natural follow-up to that Special Forces quote in the Woodward book "Bush at War" -- said as they buried a piece of the WTC in Afghanistan: "'We will export death and violence to the four corners of the earth in defence of our great nation.'"
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LibertyorDeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 10:39 PM
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8. Yes but it's not "in defense of our great nation"
It is to create a police state out of the USA. IMO
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i miss america Donating Member (822 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 10:01 PM
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3. That's some scary shit
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LibertyorDeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 11:16 PM
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13. Indeed
"Anyone who doubts this should look back at the wars in Indochina and Central America, where some US special forces, CIA combat teams, mercenary units and local allies engaged in wide scale murder, torture and dealing in opium and cocaine. The `black' forces run by Pentagon neocons and Crusader Boykin will largely operate outside of the control of the top brass, bypassing the chain of command under cover of secrecy and `need to know.'

http://www.bigeye.com/fc020705.htm
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bunny planet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 10:29 PM
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4. Please say this is not the truth.
:scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared:
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LibertyorDeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 10:42 PM
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9. Eric S. Margolis
Edited on Mon Jul-18-05 10:43 PM by LibertyorDeath
Award winning author, columnist, and broadcaster Eric S. Margolis has covered 14
wars and is a leading authority on military affairs, the Middle East, ...
http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q=Eric+Margolis&btnG=Google+Search&meta=
Sorry but this is the real shit.

Americans need to wake up fast or they will sleep walk into a police state. A banana republic where citizens have no recourse to the Law.
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rosesaylavee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 10:34 PM
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5. What do we do about this?
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 10:37 PM
Response to Reply #5
7. Exactly. Who on the Hill oversees military issues right now who would
listen to us? Also what about contacting Wes Clark?
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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 10:46 PM
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10. The more important question is how many on Capitol Hill
Edited on Mon Jul-18-05 10:46 PM by Eloriel
would find this in the least objectionable? Not nearly enough. And THEN the question becomes: is any of them in a position of oversight? Probably not.
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LibertyorDeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 10:55 PM
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12. Good points
I also think there is a lot of fear in Washington right
now.
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rosesaylavee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 06:11 AM
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17. Well ok there is fear
but we are **paying** them to take care of this. I say fear is no excuse. I am sure there is an oversight committee and those are the people to contact and ask questions of.

There are a number of committees that could respond to an inquiry...
Foreign Relations - as this does take place outside our borders
Homeland Security - as it certainly is a result (in their minds) of 9/11
Armed Services - it is a new unit so maybe there is oversight here

Or we could simply ask Kerry or Clark how to respond to this.

Suggestions?
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 11:19 AM
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36. Here we go
The list of committee members:

http://armed-services.senate.gov/members.htm

Kerry's email: http://kerry.senate.gov/v3/contact/email.html

Not sure how to get in touch with Wes Clark. Does he have a contact addy at FAUX?
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LibertyorDeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 10:26 PM
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45. Thanks
DEMOCRATS
Carl Levin (Michigan)
http://www.senate.gov/~levin/
Ranking Member

Edward M. Kennedy (Massachusetts)
http://www.senate.gov/~kennedy/

Robert C. Byrd (West Virginia)
http://www.senate.gov/~byrd/

Jack Reed (Rhode Island)
http://www.senate.gov/~reed/

Daniel K. Akaka (Hawaii)
http://www.senate.gov/~akaka/

Bill Nelson (Florida)
http://www.senate.gov/~billnelson/

E. Benjamin Nelson (Nebraska)
http://www.senate.gov/~bennelson/

Mark Dayton (Minnesota)
http://www.senate.gov/~dayton/

Evan Bayh (Indiana)
http://www.senate.gov/~bayh/

Hillary Rodham Clinton (New York)
http://www.senate.gov/~clinton/







FUCK
Joseph I. Lieberman (Connecticut) my opinion yours may vary





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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 02:09 PM
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59. Any time! *wave*
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LibertyorDeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 10:49 PM
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11. First thing to do is tell people about it Millions of people could give
a rats ass about politics they don't think it matters but
many may have a sense that all is not well in the USA
Help them to realize this is not about politics
it's about Power who has it and how they are going to use it.


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oxbow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 12:53 AM
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14. Send it out to Barbera Boxer, Wes Clark and John Conyers
Along with some info about the author. I plan to tomorrow morn
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linazelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 01:24 AM
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15. Absolutely crazy. (But what else is new?) n/t
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 01:30 AM
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16. All too believable - and under BOYKIN!!!! Nothing is too horrible for
this administration.

This needs to be publicized.
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 06:20 AM
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20. It's not only the administration's fault, but Congress
needs to get off its collective derriere and reclaim its power. It has no oversight because it hasn't demanded it.
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 08:01 AM
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28. Absolutely true. And too often this includes the Dems as well as the GOP.
:kick:
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 06:17 AM
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18. Oh, just f*cking great,...global death squads.
The neoCON death regime is actually turning the USA into an evil force the world is gonna' want to stop.

Indictments can NOT be issued soon enough!!!!
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 11:04 PM
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53. The good guys will have to nuke US to save the world...................
from fascism.

Jeebus Jumped-up Kee-rist in a SIDECAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!

(weeping, wailing, and gnashing of teeth)
(tearing of hair)

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leetrisck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 06:20 AM
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19. bush will "out" them and get them all killed
and that will be that.
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ThomWV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 06:22 AM
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21. And You Think This Is New?
We have had troops like that since at least the Viet Nam war era and I have very little doubt we had the same thing prior to the second world war.
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Zorbuddha Donating Member (822 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 06:28 AM
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22. This has been percolating for a long time.
It is now at full boil, and those that tried to warn us deserve an apology from those that scoffed.
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QuettaKid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 06:45 AM
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23. This is nothing new....
it's been called Delta Force for quite some time now. HQ in Ft. Bragg North Carolina.
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Zorbuddha Donating Member (822 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 06:55 AM
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24. It's the culture behind it that is the dark force
that Eisenhower warned us about.
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BrotherBuzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 11:16 AM
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35. Right Fort, wrong camp....
Delta Force boys, with rules and order, are Boy Scouts compared to these dark forces. Think 'School of the Americas'. Oh, FWIW, SOA (or whatever they want to call it these days) is rumored to have opened a new satellite campus in the Middle East (some indications point toward Israel) - further distancing them from US laws and oversight.
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LibertyorDeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 10:02 PM
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43. Thanks, this is different these people are out to do some really
nasty shit. Whatever Rumsfeld and commander coo koo banana's tells
them to do.

There is no over site of this groups activities and that's the whole point

"Delta Force boys, with rules and order, are Boy Scouts compared to these dark forces."

Exactly.

Cheers
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bloom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 01:34 PM
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39. I think it's getting seriously ramped up
Plus - it seems that they don't care anymore if everyone knows they are torturing people, etc. They used to be more discrete about it. So what does that say? :shrug:
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LibertyorDeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 10:09 PM
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44. Yes this part is new
Equally worrying, the Pentagon's new special ops units are headed up by notorious religious fanatic and loudmouth, Lt. Gen. William Boykin, who calls the US Army, `the house of God,' and Islamic insurgents, `agents of Satan;' and told Muslims `my God is bigger than your god, which is an idol. '

Equally worrisome, the Pentagon's new `black' warriors will not be supervised by a normal military chain of command or some degree of Congressional oversight, as were CIA combat teams. These irregular forces will draw into their ranks rabid ideologists, uniformed bounty hunters, and Bible Belt mutants wearing t-shirts proclaiming, `kill em'all, let God sort'em out.' These militarized thugs and video arcade Rambos are sure to run amok, commit serious crimes, and drag America's once good name ever deeper into the mud.

More http://www.bigeye.com/fc020705.htm
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 07:11 AM
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25. Will "Support Our Death Squads" fit on a ribbon?
Hopefully, some future president will back the ICC and these "heroes" will face trial.
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The2ndWheel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 07:20 AM
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26. Yeah, sounds about right
http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-oe-yoo13jul13,0,5549037.story?coll=la-news-comment-opinions

Another tool would have our intelligence agencies create a false terrorist organization. It could have its own websites, recruitment centers, training camps and fundraising operations. It could launch fake terrorist operations and claim credit for real terrorist strikes, helping to sow confusion within Al Qaeda's ranks, causing operatives to doubt others' identities and to question the validity of communications.

Profile of John Yoo

http://www.aei.org/scholars/scholarID.74,filter.all/scholar.asp
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LibertyorDeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 11:39 AM
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57. This guy should put down the Grisham novel

What could possibly go wrong with that scenario.

Everything. IMO





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converted_democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 07:22 AM
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27. I'm calling my "elected" officals, bet they don't give a rats ass though.
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dmr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 08:03 AM
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29. WashPost: Military Expands Homeland Efforts
I was so upset when I read this article two weeks ago, I wrote to my Senators and Rep., and several others around the country.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/07/05/AR2005070501669_pf.html
washingtonpost.com
Military Expands Homeland Efforts
Pentagon to Share Data With Civilian Agencies

By Bradley Graham
Washington Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, July 6, 2005; A01

- snip -

Still, some of the provisions appear likely to draw concern from civil liberties groups that have warned against a growing military involvement in homeland missions and an erosion of long-established barriers to military surveillance and combat operations in the United States.

The document acknowledges, for instance, plans to team military intelligence analysts with civilian law enforcement to identify and track suspected terrorists. It also recognizes an expanded role for the National Guard in preparing to deal with the aftermath of terrorist attacks. And it asserts the president's authority to deploy ground combat forces on U.S. territory "to intercept and defeat threats."

- snip -

Legal barriers to sending the armed forces into U.S. streets have existed for more than a century under the Posse Comitatus Act. Enacted in 1878, the law was prompted by the perceived misuse of federal troops after the Civil War to supervise elections in the former Confederate states. Over the years, the law has come to reflect a more general reluctance to involve the military in domestic law enforcement, although its provisions have been amended from time to time to allow some exceptions, including a military role in putting down insurrections, in assisting in drug interdiction work, and in providing equipment, training and advice.

Along with civil liberties groups, many senior Pentagon officials have tended to be wary of seeing troops operate on U.S. soil. Military commanders argue that their personnel are not specifically trained in domestic security, and they worry that homeland tasks could lead to serious political problems.

Still, the Pentagon has established new administrative structures in recent years in recognition of a growing military contribution to homeland defense. It set up the Northern Command in 2002 to oversee military operations in the United States. It created a new assistant secretary for homeland defense. And it designated a one-star general on the Joint Chiefs of Staff to work on the issue.

More at link ...
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LibertyorDeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 10:36 PM
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46. I hadn't read this yet so thanks a lot dmr
"Legal barriers to sending the armed forces into U.S. streets have existed for more than a century under the Posse Comitatus Act. Enacted in 1878, the law was prompted by the perceived misuse of federal troops"


It's all coming together like a jig saw puzzle.



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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 11:07 PM
Response to Reply #29
54. Der Gropenfuhrer has already got the CNG spying on us ....................
here in Kahleefohrneeya. AND they are refusing to turn over TONS of documents pertaining to the spying.

Christofascist FUCKS!
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 08:06 AM
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30. Yes, but America has God on it's side.....doesn't it??????????????????????
:sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm:
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Jose Diablo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 09:42 AM
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31. A google of "Strategic Support Branch" yields much
about this 'new' dark force.

Wikipidia Strategic Support Branch

"After an article in the Washington Post exposed the unit on January 23, 2005, officials from the Pentagon said the SSB had quietly helped with interrogations and other elements in the search for and capture of deposed Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein.

Supposedly the CIA under George Tenet had a rivalry with the "SSB".

....

Another concern is that the SSB may have been behind the Abu Ghraib prison scandal. Some say that President George W. Bush was unwilling to both replace Rumsfeld and bring the national intelligence organizations closer together after the 9/11 Commission's investigation of the Federal Government due to the group's activities. Also, the SB is suspected of spying on allies in the War On Terror."

From the WP:

" The Pentagon, expanding into the CIA's historic bailiwick, has created a new espionage arm and is reinterpreting U.S. law to give Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld broad authority over clandestine operations abroad, according to interviews with participants and documents obtained by The Washington Post.

The previously undisclosed organization, called the Strategic Support Branch, arose from Rumsfeld's written order to end his "near total dependence on CIA" for what is known as human intelligence. Designed to operate without detection and under the defense secretary's direct control, the Strategic Support Branch deploys small teams of case officers, linguists, interrogators and technical specialists alongside newly empowered special operations forces.

....

The Pentagon has a vast bureaucracy devoted to gathering and analyzing intelligence, often in concert with the CIA, and news reports over more than a year have described Rumsfeld's drive for more and better human intelligence. But the creation of the espionage branch, the scope of its clandestine operations and the breadth of Rumsfeld's asserted legal authority have not been detailed publicly before. Two longtime members of the House Intelligence Committee, a Democrat and a Republican, said they knew no details before being interviewed for this article.

Pentagon officials said they established the Strategic Support Branch using "reprogrammed" funds, without explicit congressional authority or appropriation. Defense intelligence missions, they said, are subject to less stringent congressional oversight than comparable operations by the CIA. Rumsfeld's dissatisfaction with the CIA's operations directorate, and his determination to build what amounts in some respects to a rival service, follows struggles with then-CIA Director George J. Tenet over intelligence collection priorities in Afghanistan and Iraq. Pentagon officials said the CIA naturally has interests that differ from those of military commanders, but they also criticized its operations directorate as understaffed, slow-moving and risk-averse. A recurring phrase in internal Pentagon documents is the requirement for a human intelligence branch "directly responsive to tasking from SecDef," or Rumsfeld."

End quote.


Please note the italics this organization is operating outside congressional oversight and as such is clearly unconstitutional. For this reason, Rumsfeld should be removed from office. We have a blackops operation in the CIA, and the CIA is under congressional oversight, thus Rumsfeld is diverting funding from authorized programs, specifically money for the Iraq War, to his own private black ops operation, illegally. Only Congress shall have authority to spend money, thus the executive must go to Congress to get money for their projects. Diverting money from one authorized project to another unauthorized project would get any person fired in a company or corporation. The auditors would eat his lunch if he did this in a corporate world.


As for the danger this operation poses to our democracy, if there is no oversight, how do we know teams of paramilitary are not subverting elections (Warren Ohio anyone), or murdering activists (JFK, MLK, Robert Kennedy, Malcolm X), or even staging 'false flag' domestic terrorism operations and then blaming a foreign enemy. We don't know, and thats the problem and thats why the constitution specifically prohibits the executive arm of the government (a king as you will) both executing and authorizing policy without the People (Congress) concurring. This is how tyranny starts, giving one person too much power.

Rumsfeld has bypassed the constitution, thus he has violated his oath to the office, and should be removed from office.

As for this Boynkin, this guy is a nucking fazi and should be put against a wall. This guy is not honorable, and the only uniform he deserves to wear is one of those shirts with a big X in the front, used for the condemned.

Lastly, I don't think this SSB is something new. I think this organization pre-dates the current administration. But by and large its previous operations have been to support a foreign corporate agenda to subvert democratic 3rd world countries to steal their resources for the wealthy in our country. I won't say they have not operated within our country, there is really no way to know, but mostly they have operated overseas would be my hunch.

But, with Negroponte and Rumsfeld in the drivers seat, I think we expect these paramilitary specialists to be operating more and more domestically. With no congressional oversight, there is no way to know what these people are doing.

If we look to the underlaying causes of international terrorism though, is it possible that the reasons others in the world hate us so much, is things these people are doing in our name?
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LibertyorDeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 10:42 PM
Response to Reply #31
49. Thanks for the excellent post and all the great info.
Good analysis


"As for the danger this operation poses to our democracy, if there is no oversight, how do we know teams of paramilitary are not subverting elections (Warren Ohio anyone), or murdering activists (JFK, MLK, Robert Kennedy, Malcolm X), or even staging 'false flag' domestic terrorism operations and then blaming a foreign enemy. We don't know, and thats the problem and thats why the constitution specifically prohibits the executive arm of the government (a king as you will) both executing and authorizing policy without the People (Congress) concurring. This is how tyranny starts, giving one person too much power."

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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 09:44 AM
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32. It's a shame about the level of rhetoric in this article
Because that last part was ridiculous.
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arikara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 03:00 PM
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42. Sorry, don't follow...
They are extremists who have already been murdering, kidnapping and torturing in secrecy and with impunity. And now they are being led by a fundy nutcase which makes that much more scary.

Which part was ridiculous?

Inquisition anyone?
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LibertyorDeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 11:54 PM
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55. This is the last paragraph in the article
"Have we reached `Seven Days in May?' Not yet, but the second Bush Administration has been taking dangerous steps that continue to curtail personal rights, undermine the supine, cowardly Congress, and empower ideological or religious extremists and shadowy agencies with unrestrained powers that endanger Americans at home and all those abroad suspected of troubling the Pax Americana."

Sounds right on the $ IMO
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dogday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 09:44 AM
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33. It has been known for a while that soldiers are
actually having exercises in various cities in the U. S.
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LibertyorDeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 12:13 PM
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58. Hi do you have anymore info or a link on this.
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schrodingers_cat Donating Member (448 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 10:44 AM
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34. It is systems like this that rely on a consistent mindset within
the administration that have me covinced that free elections are a thing of the past - all that is happening now indicates to me that we have already suffered the 'quiet coup', and there is no going back...
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Terran1212 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 12:57 PM
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37. Are these the people bombing civilians and committing kidnappings in Iraq?
Great way to discredit the proper resistance.
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ngant17 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 01:13 PM
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38. this is when the riff-raff have attained political power
Today modern American culture has come of age, the riff-raff have attained political power and built up a powerful armed gang of terrorists -- the Republican Congress allied with their good-for-nothing welfare-recipients in the Pentagon (demonstratably incapable of defending their homeland from attack). Phoney elections, mendacity in officialdom, death=freedom, war=peace, theirs is a mental sickness with capitalism which is to become the norm soon.
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anarch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 01:52 PM
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40. I frankly can't imagine America's name going much deeper into the mud
But I guess these assholes will do whatever they can think of to try to get it there...

Let's see, the current petro-criminal administration has already declared itself un-beholden to any kind of international law, and made good on the promise to bomb, invade, and occupy other sovereign nations...and has rejected the Geneva conventions, instituted policies of torture, arrested and "disappeared" people from all over the globe, often without any charge or specific evidence...and has alienated the vast majority of people everywhere on the planet by such aggression and lack of concern for human rights...and has seemingly done all in its power to aggravate already tense relationships with the entire population of the middle east (where America's name has admittedly never been held in much high regard anyway)...and just for the sheer hell of it, has rejected all science and reason and pleas for restraint with regard environmental protection/global warming, to the universal disgust of everybody...and so on and on and on.

I guess global death commandos with no restraint or oversight, considering the track record here, just seem like the thing to have. Especially if they can staff the whole unit with religious fanatics. Just perfect.
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 02:43 PM
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41. Lt. General Boykin...Task Force 121
Edited on Tue Jul-19-05 02:44 PM by Hubert Flottz
Task Force 121 to Use Saddam's Spies and Israeli Commandos in Assassination 'Manhunts'

Seymour Hersh reports in The New Yorker that the new Task Force 121 death squad will use members of the "upper ranks of the old Iraqi intelligence services" to "provide information about individual insurgents for the Americans to act on." Apparently the strongly possibility of false intelligence provided by Saddam's spooks leading to the deaths of innocent people is not a problem.

Hersh also reveals that "Israeli commandos and intelligence units" are not only now helping to train the assassination squad both at Fort Bragg and in Israel itself, but Israeli commandos will also serve as secret "ad-hoc advisers" in the field when operations commence sometime in January 2004. Hersh reports that he received confirmation of the arrangement from "American and Israeli military and intelligence officials."

Using members of Israeli military and intelligence in what Donald Rumsfeld has openly called "Manhunt" operations in Muslim countries throughout the Middle East will inevitably lead to a true shit-storm, strengthening the perception that the US is engaged nothing less than an anti-Islamic religious war.

Adding further fuel to the Jihadist fires will be Hersh's further revelation that none other than Lt. Gen. William Boykin has postponed his previously-announced retirement to serve as "a key planner" for the assassination operations. Gen. Boykin generated his own shit storm when it was revealed in October he was repeatedly equating the Islamic faith with Satan in speeches to Christian religious religious groups made while in uniform. Boykin even told one group in Oklahoma that president Bush was not elected but "appointed by God" and "in the White House today because of a miracle." Back in April 2003, Boykin also invited hundreds of fundamentalist Baptists ministers to Ft. Bragg for a "military-themed motivational program for Christian evangelists."

http://www.subliminalnews.com/archives/000096.php

Task Force 121 to Use Saddam's Spies and Israeli Commandos in Assassination 'Manhunts'
Moving Targets (12/15/03 - The New Yorker)

http://www.apfn.net/messageboard/12-16-03/discussion.cgi.128.html

I posted this on DU several months ago and is sank like a stone. I think it might have had two people comment on the thread! I kicked it a couple of times and said F--- it and went on to bed.
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LibertyorDeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 10:55 PM
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52. Thanks for re posting this
I like to keep track of what Hersh has to say.

Cheers
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 10:39 PM
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47. Is this for real?
?
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LibertyorDeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 10:50 PM
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50. Hi Pallas180 thought you had been disappeared
glad you're here

See posts 9 & 29

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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 08:56 PM
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60. Occasionally
I'm quiet...but doesn't mean I'm not lurking in the dark shadows watching! :)

:rofl:

:hi:
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Mnemosyne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 10:39 PM
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48. .
:kick: :kick:
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shanti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 10:52 PM
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51. wait - i did NOT sign on for this bullshyt!
how freaking DARE they do this in the name of the u.s. of a! :grr:
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artemisia1 Donating Member (343 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 04:52 AM
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56. kick /nt
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