PNAC is back

[GeronimoSkull]

http://newamericancentury.org

[southpaw]

1. Why is it...

We can't seem to get the PNAC story into the minds of the public at large? It amazes me how few people have even heard of PNAC... even well informed people on both sides of the political spectrum.

[StopTheMorans]

2. in case you hadn't noticed

the 'murikan people do not like complexity:) I read the whole 100 page primer, most people wouldn't, and if you tried to summarize it by "these wackos want us to pursue a rogue-nation foreign policy, increase defense spending, and had iraq planned 10 yrs in advance" they'd say you were nuts and a conspiracy theorist to boot b/c they wouldn't want to take the time to do the research:) people's attention spans are too damn short, we need to find a way to cut through the apathy and make people see that politics is relevant to their lives.

[sandnsea]

6. Push for a 60 minutes piece?

Or one of those shows? I was reading an interview by Ambassador Wilson and he mentioned the neocons and PNAC, not positively. Maybe it's time for a huge email campaign to these prime time news programs. These are the people in our government. Cheney, Abrams, Perle, Wolfowitz, whoever else. How has Strauss influenced their thinking and our foreign policy. Who funds PNAC. It is very timely considering everything that's going on. What do you think. Put together the basic facts for them and then everybody send it out?

[StopTheMorans]

9. good idea: re influence of Strauss

on foreign policy today. The fact that so many neo-cons love that fascist thinker's ideas would turn a few heads. My favorite part of Strauss is his idea that people/the electorate need to be deceived for their own good, how f*ed up is that? And it's perfect for this administration, along the lines of Rove thinking the McKinley's presidency and the whole "gilded age" is the way america should be. The 60 minutes thing is a great idea though, they actually take the time on there to discuss issues in greater detail than network news, and they have a large viewing.

[southpaw]

8. It's not so much...

That most otherwise intelligent and informed individuals have not taken the time to thoroughly digest all of the PNAC documents... it's that they have never even heard of them.

I won't argue that the majority of the sheeple lack both the gumption and the inclination to tax their lone functioning brain cell with anything more complex than the Right-Wing-Radio Mantra (Conservative=Good, Librul=Bad), But why don't more THINKING people know about this? Is it something we only see and hear on sites like DU etc?

[StopTheMorans]

10. maybe we need to add Question PNAC

to the QuestionW site?:)

[Friar]

4. why does it amaze you

that the VRWC media has kept this fascist plan for world domination secret? I'd never have heard of it if it wasn't for bartcop, buzzflash, DU etc.

[w4rma]

7. exactly

The mainstream big-corporate media doesn't want to explain this to folks. The intrests of their parent company's board of directors is at stake.

[slutticus]

3. Utter blatant hypocracy...

Here is PNAC's mission statement..

<snip>
June 3, 1997

American foreign and defense policy is adrift. Conservatives have criticized the incoherent policies of the Clinton Administration. They have also resisted isolationist impulses from within their own ranks. But conservatives have not confidently advanced a strategic vision of America's role in the world. They have not set forth guiding principles for American foreign policy. They have allowed differences over tactics to obscure potential agreement on strategic objectives. And they have not fought for a defense budget that would maintain American security and advance American interests in the new century.

We aim to change this. We aim to make the case and rally support for American global leadership.


As the 20th century draws to a close, the United States stands as the world's preeminent power. Having led the West to victory in the Cold War, America faces an opportunity and a challenge: Does the United States have the vision to build upon the achievements of past decades? Does the United States have the resolve to shape a new century favorable to American principles and interests?


We are in danger of squandering the opportunity and failing the challenge. We are living off the capital -- both the military investments and the foreign policy achievements -- built up by past administrations. Cuts in foreign affairs and defense spending, inattention to the tools of statecraft, and inconstant leadership are making it increasingly difficult to sustain American influence around the world. And the promise of short-term commercial benefits threatens to override strategic considerations. As a consequence, we are jeopardizing the nation's ability to meet present threats and to deal with potentially greater challenges that lie ahead.

We seem to have forgotten the essential elements of the Reagan Administration's success: a military that is strong and ready to meet both present and future challenges; a foreign policy that boldly and purposefully promotes American principles abroad; and national leadership that accepts the United States' global responsibilities.


Of course, the United States must be prudent in how it exercises its power. But we cannot safely avoid the responsibilities of global leadership or the costs that are associated with its exercise. America has a vital role in maintaining peace and security in Europe, Asia, and the Middle East. If we shirk our responsibilities, we invite challenges to our fundamental interests. The history of the 20th century should have taught us that it is important to shape circumstances before crises emerge, and to meet threats before they become dire. The history of this century should have taught us to embrace the cause of American leadership.

Our aim is to remind Americans of these lessons and to draw their consequences for today. Here are four consequences:

? we need to increase defense spending significantly if we are to carry out our global
responsibilities today and modernize our armed forces for the future;


? we need to strengthen our ties to democratic allies and to challenge regimes hostile to our interests and values;


? we need to promote the cause of political and economic freedom abroad;


? we need to accept responsibility for America's unique role in preserving and extending an international order friendly to our security, our prosperity, and our principles.

Such a Reaganite policy of military strength and moral clarity may not be fashionable today. But it is necessary if the United States is to build on the successes of this past century and to ensure our security and our greatness in the next. </snip>

They claim that they want to "challenge regimes hostile to our interests and values" and in the very next line state "we need to promote the cause of political and economic freedom abroad". Did you hear what I said!!!! promote political freedom???? FREEDOM. How, by killing everyone who doesn't share our values???

Holy Sh*t

[revcarol]

5. Please do me a favor.

Check what now appears with what you have on your "mirrors."

Can you read my mind on this one?

Like when Perle's name just disappeared from that other site as one of the founders....

[GeronimoSkull]

11. I was hoping someone would do that too

I'm at work right now...

How can these jokers get away with having what basically amounts to a signed confession up on the internet? Isn't there a line in there about using WMDs as a false pretext for an Iraqi invasion?

[shance]

12. Have you noticed how the intros have been changed?

Or is "just my imagination running away with me"? :)

[GeronimoSkull]

13. What intros?

How were they changed?