If Arnold wins, then Bush* also wins

[Deja Q]

Face it. Arnold's playing one big dishonorable game with the media by not being man enough to attend real debates. Apart from one token appearance, mind you.

If the public votes him in, it's only because he's a known celeb. The public doesn't care about the issues, meaning they no longer care period and could easily be swayed back into the hands of Shrimpyshrub*. I saw the debate he was in and the Dems cremated him alive.

Arnie doesn't give a frick about politics or issues, his own attitude and actions prove that without much thinking required. He'd rather be pumping, if not pumping Maria Shriver. :eyes:

[Democat]

1. Where is America going?

If people will vote for a celebrity just because he or she is a celebrity, then what does that say about the future of the planet?

[bluestateguy]

2. Both Bush will lose California and Arnold will be recalled in Nov. '04

We'll call it a double play. Maybe then the California Republican Party will get the message, pack up and leave the state of California permanently.

[mot78]

6. Bush Will Lose CA No Matter who's in Sacremento

Clinton won in '92 when Wilson was Gov. California is still solidly Democrat, and look at Arnold as an example. Like him or not, he is somewhat of a RINO. You'll never see a McClintock Conservative get elected.

[Skittles]

9. mot, it is no longer who CASTS the votes

it is who COUNTS them. And at the very worst, they've got the Supreme Court.

[zbdent]

3. Best we can hope for is the loony Repukes voting Ahnold, the

flaming conservatives voting for McClintock, and the intelligent voters voting NO on the recall, and Bustamante (as the major Dem candidate) for Gov.

The rest of the idiots will be voting for Father Guido Sarducci and the people like the windshield-squeegee-guv-guy.

[leesa]

4. I suspect this will be a rigged election to test the 'system' for 2004

[Ivory_Tower]

5. Which is ironic

...since (1) Arnold does not share the same hard-right political philosophy as Shrub and his minions (well, except for the "say anything to get elected" philosophy), and (2) Shrub has been awfully silent in this campaign, so he's not risking much personal political capital on it, even though he stands to benefit greatly from a win.

I'm hoping Californians are smart enough to see past the glitz, and make a sensible decision on election day.

[gristy]

7. Nah. If da ahnold wins, two things could happen

1. He will have had votes stolen for him and this will be uncovered and the repukes will suffer the fallout and ahnold may even get the boot by the courts. And electronic voting gets a staggering blow heading into election '04.
2. The courts don't boot him, but CA suffers under his repuke "leadership" for all the country to see. By association then, * loses votes.

I don't worry about what's happening in CA. Lots of other more important stuff to worry about.

[TroubleMan]

8. You need to be worried .... here's why

If Say AHHHnold wins, then KKKarl Rove will control the electoral process in the 2004 election.

The whole reason we got Bush is because his brother fucked with who could vote and who couldn't in Florida. It's really important to know that thousands of people more voted for Gore in Florida, but didn't have their votes counted. On top of that TENS OF THOUSANDS of minorities were removed from the voter roles in Florida. I think minorities voted 80% for Gore in Fl or more.

Be afraid. We need the California electoral votes to win in 2004. If KKKarl Rove controls their electoral processes, then he will do everything in his power to keep dems from voting or having their voted counted.

[gristy]

10. CA vote for bush?

No way! I think it's going to be a friggin' landslide in CA, and there is nothing KKKarl can do about it. Da Ahnold isn't going to have time to get all those stinkin' minorities off the rolls. Bush had 2 years to do it in Fla. Da Ahnold would have 1 stinkin' year, and he has to get any changes past his senate (25 dems and 15 repukes) and his assembly (48 dems and 32 repukes).

[TroubleMan]

11. Jeb cleared them off the roles with very little help ....

from the legislature. 90% of it was by executive fiat.

Also, why take that chance that he could? Don't underestimate the ruthlessness, determination, and just plain evil of these people.

Also, Ahhhnold ain't the moderate he claims to be. Don't be fooled. He's one of those "do as I say not as I do repugs." Or one of those who think the oligarchy should be able to do it, but not the common man. Remember, GW ran on a very moderate platform, and it turned out to be all bullshit. Same for Ahhhnold. He'll be a dumb figurehead for all the neocons who really run the show. I GUARANTEE YOU his administration, if it ever happens, will be just as far to the right or even more to the right than the current Bush administration. It won't matter how the California people feel, they've got the media to take care of it for them.

Don't be fooled.

[Arianrhod]

12. "The public doesn't care about the issues"

This has been my argument for over a decade now. Although it's a generalization and therefore doesn't apply to everyone, I think that it is a valid observation about the majority. This is why it's so easy for the Republicans to spin their agenda; nobody wants to go to the trouble of digging out the facts of the situation, and are willing to let some propaganda outfit spoon-feed them lies that also happen to suit their personal wishes.

That's a harsh indictment, and as I say it doesn't apply to everyone. In fact, a colleague at work with whom I used to have some rather heated discussions told me the other day that he now considers himself to be a "former conservative Republican", and will in no way vote for * again. He won't vote Democrat, either, but at least that's a vote gone from the current cabal. Another conservative now actively seeks out my opinion on events, and on occasion I've been able to sway him to my point of view. (I've been easing him into the Diebold affair lately.) I consider this to be good headway.

But it's a far cry from turning the country into what we would like it to be, and as long as organizations such as Fox News continue to mollify the people's concerns, we can't expect much change in the near future. :(

[TroubleMan]

13. One more thing...

Someone said "it's going to be a landslide" against bush in cali in 2004.

IT WAS a landslide FOR GORE in Florida in 2000.

TENS OF THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE MORE VOTED FOR OR INTENDED TO VOTE FOR GORE THAN VOTED FOR BUSH IN 2000 IN FLORIDA

Let me say that again, in case it didn't sink in with anybody....

TENS OF THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE MORE VOTED FOR OR INTENDED TO VOTE FOR GORE THAN VOTED FOR BUSH IN 2000 IN FLORIDA

Yet whistle ass sits in the oval office.

The Cali recall is very important. They got tens of thousands of democratic votes not to count in Florida. They CAN do it in California, too, if we let them. The system of voter defraud is already set up, all it takes is for the executive branch to execute it.

Be afraid....and take whatever action you can.

[zeemike]

14. I have read all the post here

And I think that all of you might be right.
But the real question is what do we do about it? That is if Arnold wins and the election looks fishy. If they steal it as they just might, what can we do? Shall we post our displeasure on this board and just take it?
I hope the activist in California have a plan for this possibility.

[TroubleMan]

15. Great point...

I'm sitting here in West Palm Beach thinking.....how can I affect all of this?

I really don't know.

I guess just stay vigilant and see what happens. We'll just have to wait and see, unless someone in Cali knows something about voter fraud happening now. If so, then let's get out the message.

[LastDemInIdaho]

16. Cheap shot

pumping Maria Shriver? Come on - he's married to her and it has nothing to do with the CA mess. Try again.

[TroubleMan]

17. It was a reference to what aahhnold said on Oprah

I don't agree with ad-hominem attacks, but ahhnold did say something like that on oprah.

Also, Maria is not an issue so stop trying to distract from the important parts of this message.

[LastDemInIdaho]

18. I didn't bring up Maria

I like Maria. The poster I responded to dissed her - not me.

She has NOTHING to do with the CA issue.

[TroubleMan]

19. Okay settled....

We all love Maria....

Now what are we gonna do to keep a possible Schwartzenegger administration from purging voter roles and committing other various voter frauds?