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jzodda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 05:29 PM
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Bush's Supreme Court Choice..Say goodbye to Roe v Wade
Read this stuff and get ready for a fight, a huge fight. She is about the worst choice you could make. She makes Bush's attorney general look like a Boston Liberal in comparison.

http://www.renewamerica.us/news/050710jones.htm

"Moral conservatives couldn't do any better than Judge Edith Hollan Jones for the Supreme Court seat vacated by retiring Justice Sandra Day O'Connor.

Judge Jones is considered by many the clear choice in fulfilling President George W. Bush's promise of a Constitution-grounded "strict constructionist."

Just 56, Judge Jones has served twenty years as an appellate judge on the New Orleans-based 5th Circuit Court. She was appointed by President Reagan in 1985 at the age of 36.

Judge Jones has openly criticized Roe v. Wade, condemns "modish, untested philosophical notions" imposed by the Supreme Court "that would have left the Framers aghast," and believes that the Framers' principles of limited government and personal virtue were derived mainly from the Ten Commandments and the Golden Rule. In January 2003, she told a University of Virginia audience that the nation's foundational values were Biblical.

Jones is critical of the legacy of the Warren Court, which she contends "extravagantly assumed the power to dictate new 'rights' not expressly stated in the Constitution and in so doing foisted its philosophical vision on the United States with consequences far beyond the Court's imagining."

Among areas Jones believes the activist Supreme Court has damaged American society are crime and punishment, pornography, family relations, public order, and youth and education.

Concerning the decline of religion, morality, and self-government in American society, Jones told a group of law students at the University of Texas in 2001, "I am hopeful that with the debacles of the twentieth century, we can recover the original intentions of the framers of the Constitution."

Above all, Judge Jones does not worry about pleasing her judicial colleagues, which may be the most important attribute for a Justice replacing O'Connor, who had no guiding philosophy as a judge and changed sides constantly, usually to our nation's detriment. Jones is also impervious to pressure from the media.

Judge Jones is a tough, no-nonsense jurist who knows how to restrain herself when making decisions on politically-charged issues. (Click here to see some of her opinions. Please note the Mississippi parental notification statute. Also note that business groups could not find a better possible Justice.)

Crime victims' groups may be Judge Jones' most valuable ally in a brutal nomination fight. Also in her favor is the fact that her nomination would not "turn back the clock," since President Bush would be replacing a woman with a woman--an issue that puts Democrats in a bind.

Potential Democratic supporters include Sen. Mary Landrieu of Louisiana (up for re-election in three years, and from a state in Judge Jones' circuit--it would be tough for her to vote against a Southern woman); Sen. Bill Nelson of Florida (up for re-election next year); Sen. Blanche Lambert Lincoln and Sen. Mark Pryor of Arkansas (a state neighboring Louisiana, which now has a competitive GOP organization); and Sen. Ben Nelson of Nebraska (one of the nation's two or three most pro-life states).

Judge Jones was born in Philadelphia. Her family later migrated to Texas. She graduated from Cornell in 1971, then attended law school at the University of Texas, graduating in 1974. She worked as a corporate litigator at the large Houston firm of Andrews and Kurth from 1974 until President Reagan appointed her to the federal circuit.

She is married to a Houston lawyer, Woody Jones, and they have three sons."
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Benhurst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 05:31 PM
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1. A great choice
for a fascist country.
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 05:33 PM
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5. Will we filibuster?
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 05:39 PM
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17. if we don't then what's the point of being a Democrat?
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 05:40 PM
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18. But I thought the deal was that it wouldn't get used?
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jzodda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 06:15 PM
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31. I do not think the deal extended to the US Supreme court
Edited on Tue Jul-19-05 06:18 PM by jzodda
and even if it did I remember them talking about "extreme people" This woman is about as extreme as you can get from what I have been reading.

Meaning that they would use it if it was clear. This is a huge test of the "gang of 14" For certain Frist would love to use the nuclear option and Reid would follow up by basically shutting down the business of government.

I also find it very interesting that the head of the senate judiciary com Specter is pretty hard core pro choice. Hes going to try and get a total enemy of Roe onto the court? Strange times we live in...Interesting and strange.

politics is about to get interesting again. I just hope the Dems fight hard, fight clean and fight till the end. We have been laying down and bending over since 1994 mid-terms. Its time for US to get a little militant
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 06:17 PM
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32. if bush selects a SUPREME court justice who erodes civil rights
and they don't filibuster it to its filibuster it, no matter what was "agreed" to, then they are worthless

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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 05:31 PM
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2. Judge Edith Jones is against abortions because she has already
...had all of hers!
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trotsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 05:31 PM
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3. It's like you replaced Scalia's Y chromosome with an X.
Fuck that one's scary.
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 05:32 PM
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4. what about Judge Edith Clement
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 05:33 PM
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6. ABC is saying it won't be her
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Lex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 05:34 PM
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8. ABC has been wrong before. nt
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Dudley_DUright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 05:35 PM
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9. ABC reporting Clement will not be the nominee, see this thread
Edited on Tue Jul-19-05 05:36 PM by Dudley_DUright
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NorCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 05:33 PM
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7. This summer
is going to go down in history. I can't f'ing wait for this fight. "Bring it ON!" georgie, we'll bring you Rove's head on a platter. These mother*&^#%@s are going down, and going down hard, I can feel it!!!!!!
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HockeyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 05:37 PM
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13. If this is STUPID'S choice,
I will charge up the credit cards and haul these old 56 year old bones and get to DC and protest MYSELF to ensure the rights of my DAUGHTERS. I will NOT let all of our past efforts be in vain.

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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 05:41 PM
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19. I'm with you, HockeyMom! n/t
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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 05:35 PM
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10. There is a 6-3 majority in favor of Roe. One change won't overturn it.
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jzodda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 05:38 PM
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15. 6-3 are you sure?
You got her to vote against, Thomas, Scalia and the chief justice against. That 4 votes....

Now is it known that Kennedy will vote to keep it? What is his position??
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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 05:43 PM
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22. Kennedy has always been pro-Roe, though with some restrictions.
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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 06:00 PM
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28. So now all the restrictions go through, 5-4, one by one.
Before long Roe is amended to effectively read, "Women have the right to an abortion except on days ending in 'y'."

Death by a thousand cuts. Lovely. And all without a single newspaper headline screaming "ROE OVERTURNED", which might be the only thing that could get people into the streets.
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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 06:00 PM
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29. self delete
Edited on Tue Jul-19-05 06:01 PM by KamaAina
not scary enough to post twice
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deacon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 05:35 PM
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11. They want to cover up treasongate with Roe v. Wade national discussion
Rove v. Roe v. Wade
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HockeyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 05:44 PM
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23. And apart from Roe?
As a TA, I will be damned if I will PRAY with the kids in school EITHER.
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 05:36 PM
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12. frankly, there was no one who didn't know that the supreme court
would be an issue in this term. They decided that security was more important than liberty

I know the big argument would be that the election was fixed, but I don't buy it. With the dismal record of *s first term , if we would had motivated the base we would not have to be on the defense

Why was the turnout so bad?
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 05:48 PM
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25. If you don't believe the election was 'fixed'...
Edited on Tue Jul-19-05 05:50 PM by Dr_eldritch
then you haven't studied the issue to any serious degree.

I can type my fingers raw listing the instances of flagrant malfeasance, and I have many times for many others that did not have any information.

But just the illegal activities of Ken Blackwell alone should raise questions... and there is no question Blackwell broke the law.

If you REALLY want, I'll give you info. But you can find quite a bit on the 2004 election results forum.

The fact is that this administration had the means, motive and opportunity to secure their hold on power and continue to push the PNAC. (You do know what that is... right? - otherwise there's much to go over.)

Oh yeah... you ask "Why was the turnout so bad"?

That proves that you haven't studied the issue... if you study it, you'll know that turnout was excellent... just not the votes.
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 06:20 PM
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33. Here is why it is bogus
Since the 2000 election, the democrats had four years to do something about it. What did they do? At that time they still had power in Congress. I am sorry but there is something about personal responsibility. The Kerry camp and the DNC indicated they had everything under control in 2004. Now we know they didn't have anything under control.

As long as we have a victim mentality we will NOT win

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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 09:46 PM
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35. That may be the case, but it does not mean
that the election was legitimate.

The Democrats cower in fear of being labeled 'conspiracy whackos' so they don't bring these things to the public's attention... even if they DO pay any attention.

By and large they are spineless.

The fact is if this situation were reversed, Republicans would be screaming bloody murder through their media outlets.

If a Democrat were to stand up with a well-constructed case and make some real noise... any publicity would be positive.

We need just one Dem Senator or Congressman to sit chained to the Washington monument for a few days to get some attention.

Anything to bring attention to this issue.
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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 05:38 PM
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14. All appointments made by a traitor
should be rendered null and void by his conviction as an Enemy of the Constitution.

:evilgrin:

Go ahead and pick a super-conservative Justice, Bush-baby...Treasonous bastards like yourself don't get to spread your treasonous infection through our courts. If I have my way, once you're out of office, every single thing you've accomplished during your tenure should be dismantled.
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 05:38 PM
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16. well if that happens, then it makes sense
it will definitely distract the public from the treason this administration has done

People in this country deserve exactly what they get

They are about to get a civic lesson in what it means to lose your rights

Unfortunately, the rest of us will also have to suffer

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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 05:42 PM
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20. "De Novo" I believe it is called...
If no new evidence can be presented, then the Court won't even hear the case.

Even if she makes it in, the SCOTUS is generally unwilling to overturn itself. It is it's own entity.
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 05:43 PM
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21. "her nomination would not 'turn back the clock'"
"since President Bush would be replacing a woman with a woman--an issue that puts Democrats in a bind."

WRONG!! It would absolutely be turning back the clock on all the progress made in the last half of the last century. And I hope Democrats like Landrieu, Nelson of Florida, Nelson of Nebraska, Lincoln and Pryor GET that.
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Anakin Skywalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 05:48 PM
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24. Antiquated People with Antiquated Values.
Edith and Woody. The names say it all. Blech!
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gizmo1979 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 05:49 PM
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26. repugs don't want roe overturned
it's one of their best wedge issues.If roe gets overturned they gain the far right but lose any part of the middle independants.For as long as their wacko judges stay in power.
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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 05:50 PM
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27. Exactly, they love Roe still being there.
If it was gone, the business wing of the Republican part would show it's true colors and bolt.
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DemGirl7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 06:14 PM
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30. As a young woman this is my only reaction...
:mad: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :argh: :argh: :argh: :argh: :argh: :argh: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :cry: :cry: :cry: :hide: :hide: :hide: :hide: :hide:
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sakabatou Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 06:23 PM
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34. Judge Jones, let me welcome you to Berlin, 1939
Hope you like it :sarcasm:
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