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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 02:47 PM
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Ed Schultz isn't on my radio dial anymore...
An email I just sent. Not happy to do this, but there's little point in listening to his who now.


You've just lost a listener.

I tune in today, like I do many mornings, to hear that liberals and progressives should "get the chip off their shoulder" about the DLC.

Respectfully, that's ridiculous.

The DLC speaks of "reconciliation" and "unification", but what's really being asked for is capitulation. Here are a few examples of the issues that cannot be reconciled between liberals and the DLC, because they take polar opposite stances:

Liberals are for workers' rights worldwide, DLC for NAFTA.
Liberals for protection of civil liberties, DLC for PATRIOT Act.
Liberals against the illegal invasion and occupation of Iraq, DLC for it from the start.
Liberals for ending the failed "War on (Some) Drugs", DLC for continuing it through policies like Plan Columbia.
Liberals against using public tax money for private school vouchers, DLC for them.

Then there's the issue of luring voters. The DLC continually claims that the American public is "moderate", yet a majority of Americans support "left" policies like universal healthcare, workers' right to a fair wage, and protection of civil liberties. One would think that if the DLC's true goal was to attract voters to the Democratic party, it would recognize this and support these policies as well, but instead it supports keeping healthcare privatized, it supports "free" trade policies like NAFTA/CAFTA that destroy workers' right to a fair wage, and it supports the PATRIOT Act. Why does it go against what a majority of Americans want on very important issues, if it seriously wants to attract voters?

That's just a tiny smattering of the problem. In addition, I simply don't trust an organization that has direct financial ties to groups like the Cato Institute and Koch Industries. As quoted in the American Prospect,

<http://www.prospect.org/print-friendly/print/V12/7/dreyfuss-r.html>

"And for $25,000, 28 giant companies found their way onto the DLC's executive council, including Aetna, AT&T, American Airlines, AIG, BellSouth, Chevron, DuPont, Enron, IBM, Merck and Company, Microsoft, Philip Morris, Texaco, and Verizon Communications. Few, if any, of these corporations would be seen as leaning Democratic, of course, but here and there are some real surprises. One member of the DLC's executive council is none other than Koch Industries, the privately held, Kansas-based oil company whose namesake family members are avatars of the far right, having helped to found archconservative institutions like the Cato Institute and Citizens for a Sound Economy. Not only that, but two Koch executives, Richard Fink and Robert P. Hall III, are listed as members of the board of trustees and the event committee, respectively--meaning that they gave significantly more than $25,000."

So, again with all due respect, I am simply not interested in working with people who want liberals to sit down and shut up, who want to continue corporatism and voting with and for Republican-backed legislation (like Joe Biden and the reprehensible bankruptcy bill - he voted AGAINST an amendment to exempt medical expenses, for crying out loud), and who refer to celebrated truth-tellers like Michael Moore as "rancid" and "un-American" (as Al From has). I also will not work with or vote for anyone who endorses the imperialistic notions of the Project For A New American Century, as DLCer and founder of the "Progressive" Policy Institute Will Marshall has on several occasions.

You may feel free to call that a "chip on the shoulder". I call it remaining true to my principles. By stating that it's "all about winning", you have shown me that power reigns over principle in your book. While I understand the idea that one must be in power to achieve principled goals, setting those principles aside in order to win simply results in either not picking them back up again once in office, or following them and getting thrown out in the next election by voters who will feel misled.

I wish you success with your show, and hope there can be some movement on progressive ideals, but working with the corporate-funded, right-trending DLC is not an option for me, and so I will bid you goodbye as a listener. Your show no longer has an appeal for me, and I find it sad that the DLC was once again the catalyst for a split - just as it was when I left the Democratic party to become a registered independent.

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bullimiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 02:50 PM
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1. "big eddie" lost me awhile back.
he is on during our drive time so sometimes we still listen.

he is an oft uninformed blow hard.
a lot of wind and little substance.
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Ksec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 02:51 PM
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2. Good letter and I agree
I used to give the DLC an interested look but Im convinced its just repub lite.

We should pound Schultz on these great points you made.
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tsuki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 02:57 PM
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4. Listen to Schultz long enough, and you will realize that he is repub lite.
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MissMarple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 03:14 PM
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11. Schultz is a mid western small "d" dem. He doesn't pretend to be far left
He is a populist and somewhat of a progressive. Right now the Dems look better to him than the Republicans. And he represents a lot of mid western, small town America in his thinking and his views. He may be able to reach out and change minds where someone more left of center cannot. I do wish he had some better researchers, though. But that costs money.
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xxqqqzme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 02:53 PM
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3. 'bout sums up my feelings
in listening 2 him. When he was attacking Howard Dean a couple of months ago - after he ranted about dems being in a continual circular firing squad - then when Howard was a 'guest' on his show and he was an ass - I stopped listening. There are other real progressive radio hosts out there.
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corkhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 02:58 PM
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5. does anybody know if, when or how XM will kick him to the curb
Edited on Tue Jul-26-05 02:59 PM by corkhead
so we can hear all of Randi Rhodes?
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 03:06 PM
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6. The DLC talking points were handed out last week
On his program last Saturday, Guy James talked about how Dems have to think about not fighting John Roberts for SCOTUS. I balked and disagreed in the DU thread that follows along with his program and yanked my monthly support of his show. He then sent me an email saying that he spoke with 3 Dem senators who convinced him that we can't win fighting the Roberts appointment. They don't want to put up a fight and it looks to me like we're supposed to shut up and get in line.

Nuts to the DLC and it's mouthpieces, whoever they are. And good for you voicing your stand.
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RC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 03:06 PM
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7. Ed Schultz never had me.
He is an opinionated blow hard. In it for the money. Get a real president in there and he will go back to being his old self.
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acmejack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 03:08 PM
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8. Very well put Zhade!
Same here, I will not waste my vote by voting against my ideals.
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MissMarple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 03:18 PM
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13. I'm liberal and I like guns.
But then I support the Constitution, too...all of it. Dang those liberal documents, they are so inclusive.
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no_to_war_economy Donating Member (962 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 03:11 PM
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10. he is just a gun toting steak eating centrist
fuck him

go mike malloy


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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 04:39 PM
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19. Bah
I'd like someone who's actually still in the Dem Party and isn't shrill. Thanks anyway.
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Sparkman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 03:16 PM
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12. Good aprasial! Welcome to the real politics...and Shultz is a media whore
who will say what it takes to keep corporate radio sponsers & have a non-Republican political base, and he's way into the money. He can't fit in otherwise, into the commercial radio carear genre. Randi Rodeos on the other hand...there's a listen.
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Sparkman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 03:18 PM
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14. Shultz just said, "Does anyone know any Americans who aren't anti-war.
Says, "all Americans start out anti-war". Shultz's clearly a propagandist for the war culture, as well as an apologist for the corporate class that runs this joint.
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lady lib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 03:20 PM
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15. He lost me on several issues, but the biggest was
election fraud. He keeps getting e-mails asking/begging him to talk about it (we know this because he tells us), and he keeps saying it's not good radio so he won't talk about it. Apparently, his comments before the election "All they've got left are the voting machines" were sufficient. Well that wasn't even close to being sufficient. He seriously underestimates how important this is. His listeners get it. Why doesn't he???
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orlandomom Donating Member (6 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 03:22 PM
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16. Ed Schultz
Unfortunately since AAR is no longer on Sirius he is the only choice. I will take him over Lynn Samuels though. Although she is extremly liberal her voice is so horrible and screechy it is unbearable to listen to. (Is it just me or is it just yucky hearing hearing her use the f word) I am not easily offended but coming from her it just sounds....um, wrong. But I miss Randy and all of the shows on AAR (except Franken yech). Ayway, for my drive home Ed is my only choice these days.
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 04:36 PM
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17. Hi orlandomom!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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lady lib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 04:38 PM
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18. Welcome!
:hi:
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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 04:51 PM
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20. absolutely fabulous email - made me see something interesting
Between the thread on Hillary's "can't we all just get along" speech and this one describing Schultz's talking points I realized that OMG!! the DLC treats liberals and other parts of the base EXACTLY HOW the Repugs in Congress are treaing all Dems:

* Any and all criticism is labeled as shrill, uncooperative, excessively partisan, etc.,

* They are entitled to say any ugly thing they want to about us, but WE can't return the favor, or even respond without being slammed for it

* All disagreements are OUR fault, pretty much by definition

* Getting along in their minds is equivalent to: "Be reasonable, do it our way."


:puke:

Great email, zhade.
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 08:12 PM
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21. Thanks!
I even attracted a freeper, it seems, so I must be doing something right! :D

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