Bush & Cheney have hired Criminal Attorneys!!!

[lovuian]

Is this a sign!!!

Heard this on MSNBC!!!

Can we say they are worried or what!!!

The "Criminal" attorneys was stressed by MSNBC

heres the Old News
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/06/02/politics/main620810.shtml

[kliljedahl]

1. Is this something new?

I thought it was months ago.


Keith’s Barbeque Central

[NewJeffCT]

2. I don't know, but we should take a line from the right re: Clinton

If they have nothing to hide, why do they need criminal attorneys?

[lovuian]

23. Bingo!!!

:bounce:

[KerryOn]

29. Because...

If you were arrested for lets say drug trafficking, wouldn't you hire a lawyer, even if you were innocent?

I would.

[lovuian]

31. Your right!!! Private Attorneys is what they were called before

which a Private attorney sounds like a friend that does your will

Criminal Defense Lawyers are who ya get for the big stuff like if your in the MAFIA!!!

[NewJeffCT]

33. I was being sarcastic

but, everybody on the right jumped to that conclusion when Clinton was president & he hired a private attorney.

[lovuian]

35. right NewJeff that was a great point!!!

Isn't it great that now its becoming more obvious a crime has been commited here where it was just a little thing a year ago!!!

[goforit]

51. Ahhhh, but it has always been serious crimes for many years.

They just believe no one will catch them,
so their criminal acts grow by leaps and bounds to
huge prolific levels, where we are now looking into
magnified nuclear catastrophes.

But its good to see some fear in their eyes.

[KerryOn]

84. I know you were being sarcastic...

... and actualy there could be some truth to what you have said. * did not waste any time at all retaining that attorney. I believe it was June 2003.

[TomClash]

17. Bush hired Jim Sharp

a well known DC criminal attorney who defended Jeb Macgruder during Watergate.

[lovuian]

58. Sharp is the perfect attorney for this then!!! Thanks Tom

that little fact didn't get published in the news!!!

Does anybody know about ODONNELL!!!

was he a watergate specialist too???

[dmr]

67. Right, and he hired him long ago

somewhere around the time when the justice dept. called Gonzales informing him about the investigation, Bush* got himself a criminal attorney.

[jobycom]

3. They've hired criminals for every other White House job, too.

[skids]

4. Wiseass.

:rofl:

[jobycom]

8. Parents didn't slap me enough as a kid, I guess.

[jazzjunkysue]

21. That could be arranged.

[jobycom]

47. Hey, I'll try anything once.

[kliljedahl]

5. That was my thought

What other kind of attorney is there. Criminal Attorney is redundant I thought.


Keith’s Barbeque Central

[tabasco]

12. Well you might consider the attorneys working every day ...

for the Sierra Club, the ACLU, the Southern Poverty Law Center, Legal Aid, etc. criminals, but I don't :eyes:

Lest we forget Special Proseutor Fitzgerald is an attorney too !

Tabasco - sick of lawyer bashing.

[jim3775]

13. Hackett is a lawyer. n/t

[jobycom]

15. And that's for starters

How about the Public Defenders who work to free the wrongly accused, or the prosecutors who work to convict the justly accused? Or the civil attorneys who take on corporations like McDonalds and Walmart when these mega-corporations put their wealth ahead of the safety of their workers or consumers?

There are bad attorneys, but a lot of people become attorneys to help, and many of them maintain that goal throughout their careers.

[oddtext]

39. hey, as a real live Public Defender

how about when we defend the guilty let alone the innocent? isn't that important too? isn't it important to see that the system is held "honest", that the guarantees in the bill of rights are defended and the government is held to prove guilt before depriving liberty, that the punishment be just and proportionate to the crime? that's important as well even when the defendant is dead to rights GUILTY . . . . moreso than ever with these nutjobs in power who feel they can summarily order one into custody and then down the hall to the rape room.

:grr:

[lovuian]

43. Oddtext can I ask a legal question?

If a President is questioned by a Special Prosecutor not under oath or in front of the grand jury how valid is that questioning???

Does it matter if he is under oath??? It still goes on the record right!!!!!!

Thanks :bounce:

Thats why he needed counsel.. Right!!!

[oddtext]

48. ugh, my 200th post

it's taken forever for me to get here. i don't know how you guys all have over 1000 . . . anyway, i'm glad to answer the question on my "bipostennial".

i would think that *'s meeting with Fitz would have been something more than just a sit-down tween the two. i would imagine Fitz would have had an investigator and perhaps a junior "2nd chair" attorney taking detailed notes (in lieu of recording his statement) so that the investigator/witness could testify to any subsequent inconsistent statements, or statements which would otherwise inculpate. Fitz alone couldn't testify himself to shrub's statements if it was only a sitdown coffee get-together. if bush came out and admitted he KNEW to Fitz while alone with him, Fitz would have to resign due to a conflict -- he can't prosecute and be material witness at the same time . . .

do you see it? with all these BS stories floating around, the way this thing has evolved over the past year, that sit-down with Fitz may ultimately be VERY problematic for these jerkoffs.

[lovuian]

53. Congratualtions Oddtext!!! 200 your on your way!!! :) Thanks!!!

Yes I can see that this sitdown with Fitz has to be one helluva problem for Cheney!!!

Cause if they took the 5th or I can't remember thats a tip off

but if they were so confidant and said a absolute No way then I can see that maybe this isn't perjury for them but Conspiracy!!! Yep!!!

Thank you so very much!!!

[Fly by night]

59. I sparred with a numb-nuts last night on DU who had over 18,000 posts...

... that he had accumulated in eight months -- an average of 76 a day, EVERY FUCKING DAY. For someone with that many posts, he had absolutely nothing of substance to say. Thank DU for the "snooze" button.

It's not the size (of your "posts" number), it's what you can do with your posts that matters. Speak when you have something useful to say and leave the BIG post numbers to the idle obsessives among us.

Having said that, I am approaching 1,000 posts, so I can be a bit verbal myself. I keep remembering when I first moved to the country in middle Tennessee 25 years ago, full of myself and ready to share "me" with any country folks who didn't move from the front porches of the local country stores fast enough. It took a while to learn that when they said "Well..." every time I stopped for a breath, it was shorthand for "Well, have you finished yet?"

[oddtext]

61. Thanks for the support.

i've been around and registered for over a year, and lurker longer than that. found this joint through Malloy, whom i've been listening to for years. so, i'm a part of it, just not so much as some others. i can't carry my laptop to defense counsel table and chat and still provide effective assistance of counsel. :dilemma:

[lovuian]

70. Its interesting they make the point he wasn't under oath here!!!

"It is not clear when or where Mr. Cheney was interviewed," the Times continued, "but he was not questioned under oath and he has not been asked to appear before the grand jury, people officially informed about the case said. His willingness to answer questions was voluntary and apparently followed Mr. Bush's repeated instructions to aides to cooperate with the investigation."

On Friday, a Cheney spokesman declined to comment to the Times on the case. The spokesman, Kevin Kellems, referred questions about the vice president to Fitzgerald, whose office has declined to comment on the investigation. A call by the newspaper to Terrence O'Donnell, the vice president's private lawyer, was not returned.


So Cheney's "private lawyer" didn't make any comments unlike Rove's lawyer...

They make a point he was questioned not under oath but according to oddtext that really is irrevalent here!!! and unlike the 9/11 commission questioning which had Bush and Cheney testify together
Fitzgerald had them questioned separately!!! I love Fitzgerald!!!

[tblue37]

63. Huh??? How could you tell the person had

18,000 posts? I only ever see "1000+ posts"--never anything more specific.

[hootinholler]

76. Click on the head by the name n/t

[tblue37]

77. Well, how 'bout that--

I had no idea. Maybe I need to show more interest in other people and start clicking on some of those heads. It has just never occurred to me to do that.

Naahhh--I'll just stay in my own little solipsistic world.

But thanks for the information.

[dmr]

66. Don't sweat it, oddtext -

I've been here every day since the day DU opened and I don't even have 5000 posts yet. Welcome to DU! :)

As far as Bush* speaking to Fitz and lying - well isn't that what got Martha Stewert in trouble and in jail? Lying to a fed?

[goforit]

69. Would you say it was just like a deposition?

The conversation Bush/Cheney had with Fritz?

[oddtext]

85. no

a depo is recorded and under oath, and most importantly, generally not used in criminal proceedings. it was an interview. the potential "targets" would have to be careful tho not to inculpate or say something so stupid and contradictory they'd be caught lying and have their cred impeached at trial.

[hootinholler]

73. How do we have over 1000 posts?

Easy we post things like criminal attorney is redundant :P

Grinning Ducking and running for cover...

I shoulda been a lawyer.

-Hoot

[jobycom]

44. Excellent point, and I'm truly sorry I left it out.

[oddtext]

50. you knew it,

i always have to throw it out there to remind 'em. no one EVER disagrees with me on that point, even when i speak about terrorists.

always ask, "What would Thos. Jefferson do?"

[goforit]

71. Did Cheney and Bush talk to Fitz jointly or individually? During the 911

panel these two testified jointly, so , I was wondering if these
two spoke together jointly with Fitz.

[Straight Shooter]

40. Don't forget Earth Justice.

A very fine group of dedicated attorneys determined to save Mother Earth from the bush gang and the conservatives who aren't at all conservative with Mother Earth.

[Inland]

10. Hah! nt

[are_we_united_yet]

55. Funny

funny.

:-)

[Me.]

6. If You're Talking About Sharp For B***

He hired him a while back. This plays into the attorney-client privilege they're claiming for Roberts. As we know from Clinton this doesn't apply where Wh lawyers are concerned, so they hired their own attorneys.

[lovuian]

22. Ok Cheney's attorney is Terence ODonnell

On Friday, a Cheney spokesman declined to comment to the Times on the case. The spokesman, Kevin Kellems, referred questions about the vice president to Fitzgerald, whose office has declined to comment on the investigation. A call by the newspaper to Terrence O'Donnell, the vice president's private lawyer, was not returned.


Now noticed this earlier article doesn't mention that ODonnell is a criminal lawyer.

They did for Bush!!! Cheney is sooo protected by the media!!!

[Montauk6]

7. Dick Wolf and the L&O writers must be in seventh heaven...

It don't get much more "ripped from the headlines" than this!

[Cobalt Violet]

9. *hears the Perry Mason music playing in the background*

[Disturbed]

14. There are many types of Attorneys.

Tax, Civil Law, Corp. Law ad nauseum.

These two Traitors and War Criminals hired their own private Attorney so that the info. will remain private.

[lovuian]

34. Other articles in the past!!! News Media changing their tune now

this was comments in the past when news media was tip toing


Previous Entry | Main | Next Entry

June 02, 2004

Plame Game
BUSH CONTACTS OUTSIDE ATTORNEY IN LEAK CASE

ABC News' Kate Snow reports that President Bush has contacted an outside attorney in case over leak of name of CIA operative Valerie Plume, wife of former Ambassador Joseph Wilson...

Atrios and Josh Marshall both are saying the President has 'hired' outside counsel, not just contacted.


Just making a point on the tide is turning!!!

[lancdem]

11. Could you elaborate?

In what context was this mentioned? They both hired attorneys last year when they were interviewed by Fitzgerald.

[lovuian]

36. MSNBC reporters were calling for Rove's resignation

They couldn't understand why Bush is not kicking him out since this information has been disclosed. Then they stressed Bush had hired a Criminal Defense Prosecutor and then followed up that Cheney has done so also.

Its quite a turn of how the news media is spinning it today than it was a year ago!!!

[Zen]

16. As Judy Tenuda used to say "Criminal - Lawyer" "Not too redundant eh?"

:rofl:

[Must_B_Free]

20. YAY! Judy Tenuda

[StaggerLee]

46. I met Judy Tenuda

at a radio station in San Francisco early 1991. Wonderful lady.
Alex Bennett was the radio personality and she was a guest along with Robert Townsend.

[lovuian]

18. This is really Old News but first time News stressed Criminal Attorneys

Mr. Bush has acknowledged that he had met with a Washington criminal lawyer, Jim Sharp, about the possibility that prosecutors might want to interview him about the case. So far, the White House has made no mention of Cheney's interview or whether it influenced the president's decision to meet with Sharp, the Times notes.


http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/06/02/politics/main620810.shtml

[lancdem]

19. Why was MSNBC bringing it up now?

[mmonk]

24. Old news is

new news to a lot of the population.

[lovuian]

27. Don't know but the words "Criminal Lawyers" and talking about

Sharp!!! and then they followed with Cheney also got his own "Criminal Defense Attorney"

[lovuian]

32. Let me make this point guys Look at past posts from other news

Here is from the USA Today paper
Notice the News media's avoidance of the term Criminal Defense Lawyer

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2004-06-02-bush-cialeak_x.htm

Earlier, Bush's chief spokesman, Scott McClellan, confirmed that Bush had contacted Washington attorney Jim Sharp, a trial lawer and former assistant U.S. attorney. There is no indication Bush has been questioned yet.

Vice President Dick Cheney also has an attorney whom he has consulted for years, Terrence O'Donnell, a senior partner in the Washington law firm of Williams & Connelly. "Were the vice president to seek legal counsel on any issue, Mr. O'Donnell is the man he would go to," said Cheney spokesman Kevin Kellems.

No where was the "Criminal Defense Lawyers " brought up here!!!

Just showing how the News Media subtly tries to hide the facts!!!

also another interesting fact


Even though he has a White House counsel, Bush is dependent on outside lawyers for private matters. A memo distributed to the staff last year reminded officials that the counsel's office works solely for the president in his official capacity and is not a private attorney for anyone.

[lovuian]

38. They were calling for Roves resignation

They said with a criminal in the white house that Bush should immediately even if he is innocent ask for his resignation!!!

They were calling for it and said it looks badly on Bush letting him stay in office!!!

[iconoclastic cat]

25. Mrs. IconCat want me to pass along this message: "Yeah, about a year ago.

She's right, I think.

[DanCa]

26. It's christmas on the last day of july

puts on transiberian orchestra holiday cd.
Go to jail go directly to jail. And do not and I repeat do not drop the soap. Hmm something fitting about Dick and Bush behind bars.

[Bluebear]

37. Merry Christmas bud

May our wishes come true.

[DanCa]

41. It's halloween 2 tomarrow,

I am going to wear a maniac outfit, and carry a blow torch, and knock on my neighbors door's and demand candy. I think Halloween two is going to be very scary.

[Tesla]

80. I love TSO!!!

[stepnw1f]

28. It Sure Sounds Bad

My oh my... and his ratings are sinking!

[lovuian]

30. Heres what Cheney was asked

"Cheney was also asked about conversations with senior aides, including his chief of staff, I. Lewis Libby, according to people officially informed about the case," the Times says. "In addition, those people said, Mr. Cheney was asked whether he knew of any concerted effort by White House aides to name the officer. It was not clear how Mr. Cheney responded to the prosecutors' questions."


and I wonder if Mr. Cheney's answer was NO!!!!!!!

cause it sure looks like his office was working at it!!!

[jazzjunkysue]

42. They know they're in the dumper. They just don't think we know they're in

the dumper.

[peacetalksforall]

45. Reminder - when writing or talking - you help the MSMs if

you only talk about Rove.

Cheney is the action man.

It's time to switch from Rove to Rove and Libby.
It's time to switch to Cheney and Bush before Rove and Libby.

Cheney has, was, is, does -

. have a shady history in wmd (read American Judas on DU)
. designs and leads the war with his PNAC brothers
. profits from war

Rove and Libby didn't put the sixteen words in the speech.

Rove and Libby didn't meet for breakfast and come up with a Rove-Libby Plan to take revenge on behalf of their bosses.

Cheney had to prove a war was needed. Bush rides on coattails and happens to thrive on issues involving revenge.

Talking about Rove only and revenge only is 'MSM trite'. It will mislead the public who have so much difficulty winding their way around MSM hosts and guest experts and columnists. It's time for DU citizens to phrase it right and to phrase it strong with all the deductive power that is reasonable.

[symbolman]

52. Exactly

I figured out weeks ago that they use something to "minimize" damage in every case.. so if they are using Rove publicly it means that there are Bigger FIsh in this water..

This is a criminal conspiracy that goes right to the top.. they may just toss Bush to the wolves to save Cheney..

good point, it Ain't just Rove folks!

[goforit]

56. Thanks symbolman! Now I can put 2 +2 together.

[psychopomp]

78. self-delete

my bad

[goforit]

54. Excuse me for my stupidity, what is MSM?

[peacetalksforall]

57. mainstream media - FOX CNN NBCs ABC CBS WP NYTime

Newsweek and all the other media outlets committed to pushing propaganda and perpetuating the myths and lies. Those who pimp for the WH and don't practice journalism. Those who have morphed to right wing arms because they are corporations first and news outlets last.

[goforit]

74. Ahhh. Ok , yes , the pentagon media whores, Inc.

Thanks for the education.

[Fla Dem]

81. Sorry, FOX does not consider itself MSM, they are anti-MSM. n/t

[Athame]

65. MSM=Main Stream Media

but Corporate Media is probably better or CM, because mainstream sounds too no-problem.

[goforit]

75. Thanks Athame!....CM is more accurate but TM would probably be

best with me...

Treasonous Media.

[Supersedeas]

82. couldn't agree more-but must tie the VP to the hands-on culprits

[Fescue4u]

49. Anytime a president hires a criminal attorney its a bad sign

for that president.

[BrightKnight]

60. Someone should ask Scott McClellan about it.

I would also like to know if Scott McClellan has sought criminal legal council? If his comments are being constrained by legal council the public has a right to know.

[lovuian]

72. BrightKnight thats a dang good question!!!

cause that boy better get a criminal defense lawyer too HA HA HA!!!

[welshTerrier2]

62. This week on "This Old Lawyer"

on tonight's episode, Norm installs a set of prison bars in the Oval Office ... plumber Rich Trethewey demonstrates a new Koran-proof toilet ...

[MODemocrat]

64. They blasted John Edwards because he's an attorney

Golly, have things have changed now that they need a defense attorney.
Yep, they're always ONE-WAY streets in this administration.

[Bucky]

68. Bush hired two criminal attorneys: Ashcroft and Gonzalez

[lovuian]

83. Bush was on that AF1 when Colin Powell had that memo

flying around!!!

Bush could be really up to his neck in this!!!

[Burried News]

79. Money well spent - is it Billy Flynn from Chicago?

Giv em that ole razzle dazzel, rather dazzle em.
Billy - I think these clients would prefer a Michael Flatley type of tap dance rather than your usual soft shoe. The pounding power energizes them and their dance troop.