Two CIA Officials Say Novak's a Liar

[joemurphy]

"The two (CIA) officials say Novak was told, as one source put it, that Plame's work for the CIA "went much further than her being an analyst," and that publishing her name would be "hurtful" and could stymie ongoing intelligence operations and jeopardize her overseas sources

"When he says that he was not told that he was 'endangering' someone, that statement might be technically true," this source says. "Nobody directly told him that she was going to be physically hurt. But that was implicit in that he was told what she did for a living."

"At best, he is parsing words," said the other official. "At worst, he is lying to his readers and the public. Journalists should not lie, I would think." These new accounts, provided by two sources familiar to the investigation, contradict Novak's attempts to downplay his own knowledge about the potential harm to Plame.

Moreover, one of the government officials who has told federal investigators that Novak's account is false has also turned over to investigators contemporaneous notes he made of at least one conversation with Novak. Those notes, according to sources, appear to corroborate the official's version of events."

<http://www.prospect.org/print-friendly/webfeatures/2004/02/waas-m-02-12.html>

[Skittles]

1. I would like to see Novak exposed for the republican whore he is

I don't think that piece of crap has EVER been a real journalist

[Swamp Rat]

2. Or human!

:puke:

[autorank]

7. Another masterpiece...this one really captures the "inner" Novak.

:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

[Swamp Rat]

9. Way'at autorank!

:hi:

I just finished these quickies tonight:

[katinmn]

14. LOL. These are great!

:toast:

[Wetzelbill]

15. Katinmn! Long time no see!

:pals:

[katinmn]

18. Hi Wetzelbill!

That's cuz I saw you first.

I'm kidding, of course. :loveya:

:pals:

[Wetzelbill]

23. always the joker

but I like that. ;)

[enough]

25. Wow, those TWO FACES are amazing.

Looks as if these past 4 years have been years of punishment in hell for him. Maybe there is justice after all.

[louis-t]

27. I still say the first one is retouched.

Along with the one that was on the Clear Channel billboards. Might even be the same one.

[MisterP]

30. his eyes line up incorrectly enough--and I don't mean the Kennedy-style

lazy eye: I mean they're misaligned IN THEIR HORIZONTAL PLANES

[Swamp Rat]

31. I got it from the WH website.

It is no more touched up than the second one, save, perhaps some color correction. Since the original was a high resolution image, I was able to scan deep into the skin texture and see the make up - no instances of blur or color noise reduction apparent. The second photo is not high res, but again, I can see the make up on the skin but apparently no color correction was used - AP/Reuters photo.

I also have many many other photos of Dumbya from 2000-1, raw and not retouched. He has visibly aged 20 years in just 4 years, IMO.

Here's one from 2000:



Here he is July 2005:

[AuntiBush]

33. This is the face of one that retires at 9:00 PM sharp?

Don't think so. Very, very telling.

[FreedomAngel82]

36. He does look different

Maybe all those innocent Iraqi's are haunting him in his dreams.

[Swamp Rat]

38. He doesn't give a shit about those "brown people."

He looks this way because he's a souless, mass murdering junkie.

[Prisoner_Number_Six]

40. The result of all the times his face has hit the pavement

Also assorted pretzel-related rug burns. :rofl:

[KnaveRupe]

52. All presidents age fast.

Except Reagan - his leathery hide didn't change much in his eight years on the hot seat. But look at before and after shots of Clinton, Carter, or GHWB.

The presidency is like anti-botox.

[xxqqqzme]

55. July, 2005?

Is that yet another bruise on his left cheek? or a bike scrape healing? I was off line until about the 10th so I guess I missed yet anoter fall from grace.

Yea, if he truly retires early - he looks like shit!

[Richard Steele]

42. I tend to agree. Y'all know I tinker with the PhotoShop a bit...

...and that first face just "ain't quite right".

There's nothing DEFINITE that I can point to...
other than the fact that it DOESN"T LOOK LIKE HIM!

[ScamUSA.Com]

22. isn't that cheney?

or is it a random image

[Swamp Rat]

29. No! This is Cheney:

[ScamUSA.Com]

34. Bizarre

All your graphics look right on, but this doesn't really remind me of Novak



Loved the Hillary one BTW.. LOL

[Swamp Rat]

35. Hmm... Maybe yer speshul sunglasses are bunk?

:D

Look at IT again... in context... :rofl:

[ScamUSA.Com]

37. heh nice one

still think Novak could use an improvement. Maybe add a cane or something

[Swamp Rat]

39. Well, you may be right.

It's about time I did another pic of Traitor Novak. I'm gonna surf for some AP fotos to vandalise... so many lizards...

[ScamUSA.Com]

48. Im a big fan of your art man

no doubt.

A picture IS worth a thousand words

[Swamp Rat]

49. Dank u

I will work on a new Novak pic, but there are yet some lizards, like Fucker Carlson, that I need to do first. Hell, I still need to paint scummy reptiles like Ari "Wormtongue" Fleischer. :puke:

[ninkasi]

53. Do you have one of Novak

drooling? From the few times I've seen him speak on TV before I could exit the room, it seemed to me that he was always drooling. Even if you can't find one, he's ugly enough as he is. You do strange and frightening things, Swamp Rat. I love it.

[DELUSIONAL]

3. I want to see Novak in JAIL -- nothing less would be fair

to real journalists or to the American people -- because we are the ones he betrayed because he is a partisan HACK and a TRAITOR.

[StaggerLee]

21. not a journalist I agree

a tool of the fascist propaganda machine and a traitor for sure.

a firing squad would be too good for him.

[Fridays Child]

4. Here's a perfect example of Novak's parsing...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=4233343&mesg_id=4233516

[The Traveler]

5. Neocons = Sellouts

They would sell this country out to make a buck, and they prove that every day.

Our blood. His safely behind the lines guts.

[Richard Steele]

43. No, sorry. The term "SELLOUT" implies they had some integrity once.

And no one has ever uncovered ANY evidence
to support such a hypothesis!

[Carolab]

6. What a piece of shit

A government official also questions Novak's claims that the columnist "called the CIA" and "they confirmed Mrs. Wilson's involvement in her husband's mission." Rather, this person says, the CIA at first declined to comment. Still later, the same official contends that Novak was categorically told that Plame had played no role in the selection of her husband for the Niger mission.

"He was told it just wasn't true -- period," said the government official. "But he just went with the story anyway. He just didn't seemed to care very much whether the information was true or not."


******

Anyone want to send this to Olberman, or should I?

[WhiteTara]

8. Novak is a traitor and should be dealt with as one

The punishment for treason is death. I vote for a firing squad on the wh lawn

[Talismom]

11. I'll bring popcorn for everyone! n/t

:popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:

:popcorn: :popcorn:

:popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:


:popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:

[EVDebs]

28. Novak, like Robert Hanssen, is an Opus Dei member....

and a traitor. What's with these guys anyway ?

[kestrel91316]

44. No, no, no .............................. GUILLOTINE!

[joemurphy]

10. Novak's Also Lying About the "Unanimous" Govt. Report:

It was a Republican hatchet job put up by Pat Roberts to smear
Wilson.

Wilson's rebuttal is here:

<http://www.yuricareport.com/Impeachment/WilsonDefendsHimselfInLtrToSenate.html#anchor461370>

Roberts has since refused to hold promised hearings on the uses that
the Bush Administration put to pre-Iraq War intelligence over Minority Member Jay Rockefeller's repeated objections.

[Supersedeas]

24. to me, Roberts is just a complicit as the other principles re: Plame

[moodforaday]

12. Kick

:kick:

[bribri16]

13. So will Novak join Miller in jail? n/t

[xchrom]

16. no -- he's protected some how.

i don't get it.

[LizW]

17. The ONLY way Novak doesn't go to jail

is if he flips on someone higher up.

As infuriating as it is that Novak is still walking around, I think it's a good sign that Fitzgerald has something big on Bushco, and can make it stick.

[tavalon]

45. Remember why J.Miller is in jail

She was found in contempt for not testifying. Connect the dots. Novak is not in jail. He testified. Well, before there was any threat of contempt.

Now, hopefully, he lied and he will be caught, but it is clear that he testified.

[Norquist Nemesis]

19. Hey! He's NO liar...he's a Pro-

pagandizer.

[sunnystarr]

20. A Fire Novak movement is long overdue

"Any time a journalist purposely deceives his readers, he undermines the newsperson's or news organization's credibility" and "threatens the trust between the reader and reporter."

Readers and viewers need to express their outrage at the continued presence of Novak. Newspapers should drop his syndicated column and CNN needs to get him off their station.

When I read that:

Steve Huntley, the editorial-page editor of the Chicago Sun-Times, which is the flagship newspaper for Novak's syndicated column, says he "implicitly and completely trusts Bob Novak's reporting."

I wasn to scream. In this case Huntley should be out the door with Novak as being complicit in this deception.

Where is the outrage?? I only see it on Dem blogs. Maybe an onslaught of LTTE, letters to the Chicago-Sun Times and the other papers that carry his syndicated column, and letters plus some demonstrations at CNN.

While it seems that he skates the law, don't let him skate freely on by and continue in the media.

[lovuian]

26. This shows maliciousness and the conspiracy!!!

Novak did this on purpose not stupidly!!! He knew what he was doing and he did it with zealous.

[AuntiBush]

32. Good! CIA: Listen-Up - Isn't it time you too Speak-Out!

Seriously... come on men and women, whom served your country for so long, with no cover, nor protection, and now this is how you're rewarded?

Strange. Can't figure-out how Novak isn't a bit fearful of those Nocs/CIA agents.

Just sayin'

[garybeck]

41. QUESTION OF THE HOUR

Can Fitzpatrick get an indictment before his term runs out in October. After that you can bet he's going to be looking for a job.

[laylah]

50. It is my understanding

his term as the Federal Prosecutor ends in October. His role in the Plame case is completely different, as he was appointed by Asscrack...someone please correct me if I am wrong :shrug:

Jenn

Edited for clarity.

[B Calm]

46. Novak should be hanged for being a damn traitor!

[Peace Patriot]

47. Novak didn't just out Plame (7/14/03). He went on to out the entire CIA

WMD covert monitoring project, 20 years in the making, destroying all projects and putting all covert agents and contacts at great risk, by exposing the front company Brewster Jennings (7/22/03) It's interesting to me that this second, bigger outing occurred four days after the Brits chief WMD expert David Kelly turned up dead (7/18/03) under extremely suspicious circumstances. He had been whistleblowing to the BBC on the Brits "sexed up" Iraq WMD intel, after the invasion (May 2003). On July 7, 2003, after they had found out who was whistleblowing, they interrogated him and warned Blair that Kelly "could say some uncomfortable things" (could say; not HAD said). Plame then outed. Kelly found dead; his office and computers searched. Whole CIA front company outed.

Too coincidency, no? My guess: The "uncomfortable things" that Kelly "could say" had to do with a plot of plant nukes or other WMDs in Iraq, for political advantage (which would have been great); maybe Kelly foiled the plot, maybe just knew about it; they suspected Plame and outed her immediately (calling at least SIX reporters--overkill--urgency? panic?); then somebody offed Kelly, they got into his computers and found a connection to Brewster Jennings, and they outed and disabled the whole WMD network (greatly increasing their risk of treason charges, and not needed to "punish" Wilson).

I think Blair called Bush, and the treason started at the top. Many of the Bushites were on AF-1 at the time (7/5-12), on the Africa trip, passing around the Plame memo. They'd already set up Plame to outed--by sending Wilson on the wild goose chase to Niger--but the crime got greatly accelerated by the July 7 call from Blair on what Kelly knew, and pushed them to precipitous action, with not much time to devise coherent cover stories. (Such a revelation would have brought down both governments.)

If this scenario is true, we owe a lot of David Kelly--and to any and all who foiled such a plot (others of whom may have paid with their lives). And you've got to wonder about this: One of Kelly's last emails was to Judith Miller. In it, he expressed concern about the "many dark actors playing games."

For more details, see Comment #27, at

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x1669990

[ninkasi]

54. Just read your comment on that thread

and your whole theory makes sense to me. It's been like assembling a puzzle, to get the facts known. Some little pieces have been forgotten, and we have to keep going back, sifting through previous stories, then fitting them in with the current ones.

You have done a masterful job of doing that. I would not have thought of making that connection.

[robertpaulsen]

51. The prospects of a PERJURY charge sound pretty good!

:kick:

[SuperWonk]

56. I knew it all along....

Nokak is the leak. IMHO, he has been the shadiest player in this whole affair. I hope what he has coming to him, especially if he has anything to do with poor Judith Miller still sitting behind bars.