So if God created us, as is, who was Lucy?

[KarenInMA]

(she was an austalopithicine aferensis, and she's believed to be over 4 million years old- she sure as hell doesn't look like me)



What about all the fossils we've found in various places?

What about the fact that people are taller than they were TWO GENERATIONS AGO???

[Richardo]

1. You found a picure of my (great)^64 grandmother!!

:woohoo:

[Double T]

15. What do you mean 'your (great)^64 grandmother'......

Lucy is ALL of our (great)^64 grandmother.

[Richardo]

18. Roger that, my brother.

:D:thumbsup:

[MadAsHellNewYorker]

2. Well its obvious right?

G-d put the bones in the ground to confuse us when we started looking...I mean, dinosaurs aren't mentioned in the bible, so they couldn't have *really* existed

:sarcasm:

[LisaLynne]

12. Not G-d -- always heard it was the devil.

Seriously. Yeah, I had a scary childhood. :)

[MadAsHellNewYorker]

14. Gives new meaning to "The Devil Made Me Do It"

Im sorry you had a scary childhood :hug:

[LisaLynne]

25. Well, I've been trying to get away with that excuse for years, but ...

people keep calling me on it.

And thanks. :) :hug:

[ohio_liberal]

26. Yes, yes

She's here to test your faith :eyes:

[hobbit709]

3. Don't you know that god deliberately

created old fossils just to keep us confused?

[KarenInMA]

5. Well, that makes him one sneaky SOB,

now doesn't it.

[Reverend_Smitty]

4. Don't you know that god put them there as a test of our faith?

and carbon dating is another liberal media conspiracy used to trick the righteous into believing that demonic secularism :sarcasm:

[atreides1]

It's God testing man's Faith

The fundies believe that the earth is only 6,000 years old and that all of the fossils that have been found were put in place by God to test man's faith.

[Drifter]

22. I think God ...

put gave us religion to test our faith. Looks like a mojority of people are failing that test.

Cheers
Drifter

[jonkronz2003]

6. "It's a miracle!!!!!!!!"

The religous right will tell you that the great diety in the sky actually created all that stuff too and plunked it down 5000 years ago-all fossils, all sediments, all aged organic compounds etc. Guy is really smart, he thought of all the forensic evidence needed and just created it all in the blink of an eye. Guess he just wants to tease us.

[Beaver Tail]

30. You ALL have it So wrong

The Universe was in fact sneezed out of the nose of a being called the Great Green Arkleseizure and we are awaiting in perpetual fear of the time called the Coming of the Great White Handkerchief.

[livvy]

7. Practice run? n/t

[KarenInMA]

8. No, no, no, not the fossil, but the SHAPE

of her. She isn't human. She is a pre-human, of the Astlopithicine era.

How can we rectify a skeleton that SHOWS to be before evolution.

[Francesca]

16. I was an anthro major and had this

very debate over and over and over with some members of my family who are christians and they insist that dating techniques are flawed, refuse to listen to "facts" and universally dismiss them by claiming satans influence.. specifically I have heard some hysterical "scientific" evidence from their camp that proves Lucy to be a fraud and just about every other fossil ever found... they have a lot "facts" that they repeat over and over (reminds me of the RNC with their talking points)... its a waste of time to try and convince them of anything....

[KarenInMA]

19. I was an Archeology major for a few semesters,

and I never, not once, heard anyone debate this.
I'm from NH too :hi: and I know my share of R's, and Catholics, but until recently, arguing about evolution seemed like arguing about photosynthesis.

Are people stupider? Or are stupid people more vocal?

[Francesca]

33. Thats a good question!

My opinion is they are more vocal.. the born agains have been claiming for years that Lucy's remains are nothing more than 3 or 4 bone fragments and that their is widespread disagreement in the scientific community regarding whether she was bipedal (Its been about 10 yrs since I last had this debate) and that the lack of consensus according to the christian right was "kept under wraps" and that Lucy's critics where silenced... Its very easy you would think to refute the fact that Lucy is more than just 3 or 4 bone fragments... Trying to argue that she was bipedal is like trying to teach a dog to play the fiddle... Impossible with these people.. .they have an answer for everything they cant back up with facts and essentially that answer is satan...

[dr.zoidberg]

9. It's obviously...

Lucy Ricardo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

37. Atheist! Blasphemer

Lucy Van Pelt

[tk2kewl]

10. A trick by Satan to shake your faith silly.

:silly: :crazy: :eyes:

on edit... a trick by satan not a tick

[craychek]

11. this is what amuses me about creationists

they take the bible to literally and ignore factual evidence.

I'm catholic, but I personally lean towards the intelligent design theory of things. However, this is a belief and not actually factual and shouldn't be taught in school science classes(religion maybe but not science).

At anyrate creationism is completely bogus. Here's a good site debunking one of the more popular creationists.

http://www.kent-hovind.com/

[Beaver Tail]

28. Sad thing is

The bible is not a litteral account yet they ignore it. It is just a way to "best describe" how the world was created to somone who live 3000 years ago. Try to explain string theory, relativity, Nuclear fusion, black holes and so on to someone 3000 years ago.

Of course if these Scientists theories are so wrong then the Atomic bomb would have never worked.

[grumpy old fart]

13. Lucy was only in what, 1st grade. Of course she was short....

[elehhhhna]

17. There's a website that explains that since folks in the Bible lived to be

900 years old, the old monkey-looking skeletons are theirs, and that if people lived that long today, that's how their skel's would look, too. I kid you not!

[WeRQ4U]

20. I NEED this link if you can find it. I haven't laughed hard enough today.

Thanks in advance.

[elehhhhna]

32. Here you go! Think I'll repost this OP to GD, too!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=3490105

[WeRQ4U]

36. Two words for that site: Batshit Crazy.

[Double T]

21. Lucy Is Some Phony Prank Made Up By A Delusional Anthropologist....

who wanted to get his name in National Geographic. What was the name of that on-the-scene historian who witnessed the creation of Adam and Eve? I think his pen name was 'SNAKE'.

[KarenInMA]

23. The Lackeys were two of the most

respected archaeologists in the world. They certainly didn't need to fake anything....


and I just realized you were kidding... sigh...

[Richardo]

24. 'Leakey' not 'Lackey'

:)

[KarenInMA]

27. ah yes. Shows how much I know!!

:silly:

[DaveJ]

29. I know one common answer to this question.

Scientists are WRONG God damn you WRONG! Whaahaaha! WHAAAAAHAAAAHAAAA!!! :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:

[lateo]

31. So obviously it is a fake...

or something god put here to test our faith...


ROTFLMAO!

[SnowGoose]

34. Wow - no one has given the answer I grew up with

After the "fall" people became degenerate and wicked - that's why god had to destroy the world with a flood. These fossils are from degenerate humans (who may have even mated with apes).

(nice attitude, isn't it?)

Oh yea, and carbon dating is based on the flawed assumption that the ratios of isotopes have always been constant, which you can't prove neya neya neya!

And, in all seriousness, the fact that we're taller now than a couple of generations ago is unlikely to have much to do with natural selection - but rather with lifestyle changes associated with the advance of technology.

(Brief note: carbon dating works for biological materials, not for rocks or fossils where what is left isn't the original biological material, but rather minerals deposited after the death of the organism. There are other dating techniques for those).

[thereismore]

35. Lucy is an extinct ape, Neanderthals, H. erectus were human as you and me,

H. habilis is a flawed genus - is just a collection of misclassified fragments.