A pat answer when Mepublicans resort to "But Bill Clinton..."

[elehhhhna]

"...try to stay in the present! Be happy! GWB is your dream-come-true Prezzydent, remember? Why are you so angry? Dear Leader Kim Il George has it ALLLLLLLLLLL under control."

Leaves them in a tizzy "but...but...but..." or even bettter; silent.

[shoelace414]

1. yea.. that and Bill Clinton was impeached...

or maybe how often did you hear about George HW Bush in the 5th year into Clinton's presidency

[Dhalgren]

2. Oh, man! I have now a new name for the murderer!

"Kim Il George"! LOFL! That is priceless! Very well done!


:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

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[Scout]

4. enjoy your stay

even if brief

[elehhhhna]

5. cleanup in aisle 5

[thebigidea]

6. you might as well obsess about Grover Cleveland!

my god, those fucking Republicans just can't get Clinton's dick out of their minds.

Or Cheney's out of their mouths, for that matter.

[comsymp]

9. Warren G Harding (R) comes immediately to mind - after all, he fathered

a child by his mistress, while still married. Of course, that was while he was still a Senator, a whole year before being elected President.

Just sayin'

[thebigidea]

11. I shall write an angry letter to the editor ASAP due to my outrage!

[DemonFighterLives]

7. Facts and Intelligent discourse is what we DU here

:kick:

[salin]

8. Just yesterday

I read a rant that blamed Clinton for the Iraq war. Is that the "facts and intelligent discourse"?

Or are you suggesting that debating current issues, such as the evidence of stovepiping intel to the OSP in order to "sell" the public on going to war in Iraq rather than "finishing the job" in Afghanistan and the growing mounting of information that backs up that scenario, is a way of avoiding either side of slipping into simple in one's face one liners pitting the bad behavior of one admin against bad behavior of another admin - granted the magnitude of that bad behavior is quite different and folks here would probably put the tawdry to which you refer in a lower magnitude of impact upon the public than the blatant lying us into war along with tanking us into perpetual record deficits accompanied with a free lunch mentality (eg keep spending without paying and pretend that our kids and grandkids won't have to pay off the debt in the future...)

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[thebigidea]

14. cute the way conservatives pretend to give a shit about UN resolutions

[LondonReign2]

16. Ahhh, can't wait until we attack Isreal, then...

Since they too have ignored UN resolutions, when will the marines be invading?

Or perhaps it is about "bringing democracy"? So when will we be invading Zimbabwe?

Wait, maybe it was WMDs? Can't wait until you storm North Korea.

Harboring terrorists? Hello, Saudi Arabia!

Perhaps if *anyone* is this entire chickhawk chickenshit administration had ever served their country and put their own lives on the line they wouldn't be so quick to put others in harm's way in order to pad their own pockets.

[dalaigh lllama]

17. "you kill roaches where they hide"

re: cockroach analogy

Unfortunately, the current modus operandi seems to be using a sledgehammer on the walls in one apartment in an apartment complex: it destroys the infrastructure, makes new hidey-holes for the little buggers who stay, others flee to neighboring apartments, and even bigger vermin enter thru the huge holes in the walls.

But I bet that's how any neanderthal would have attacked the problem.

[DemonFighterLives]

22. OMG

:rofl:
I had visions of neanderthals bashing their cave walls down and then wondering why it got so cold.
:scared:

[dalaigh lllama]

24. on second thought,

neanderthals probably had more sense than bushco

:shrug:

[SammyWinstonJack]

25. Any sense they possessed would have been more.

:yoiks:

[comsymp]

19. You raise some interesting points

Finishing the job in Afghanistan is important, critical even, but there is no necessity to cease any other actions which need to be taken in other realms.

I would argue that there is also no necessity to begin any other actions which *don't* need to be taken... f'rinstance, Iraq. Virtually all of the Administrations "justifications" for attacking that country have been outed as bogus. So why did we really go?


There were stipulations to the cessation of military action on Iraq at in 1991. They were ignored by Saddam as was evident by the continuing UN resolutions amassed against him.

At the time of the invasion, UN weapons inspectors stated that he was complying with them. Gotta remember, we ordered 'em out (both in '98 and '03), not Saddam.


Each gave the UN the ability to take action, and limited action was taken from time to time, but insufficient to cause a cessation/compliance.

But none gave the US the ability to take action unilaterally. You've heard it before, undoubtedly, but basically we ignored the UN and attacked Iraq for ignoring the UN. It just makes no sense.


While there is no solid line of connectivity directly to 9/11, there are sufficient acts, going back European bombings, cruise ship killings, and the like where perpetrators and planners migrated to Iraq to show that it was a magnet and home for terrorists.

It has been shown, by our own Gov't, in fact, that the majority of turr'ists who were in Iraq prior to the invasion, were holed up in Kurdish territory... where, primarily due to the NFZ, Saddam had no reach.


Further, if you are willing to equate a cockroach analogy here...you kill roaches where they are and where they hide.

OK, so why Iraq, and not Saudi Arabia, or any of a dozen other countries who *we know* to be harboring turr'ists? The "cockroaches" weren't there prior to the invasion. I would suggest that yours is a bad analogy, unless you add that you need leave food out on your kitchen floor in hopes of luring in some roaches from all over the neighborhood, having them breed like crazy, and then calling Tom DeLay to come in and squirt a few.


Perhaps we should look at real spending freezes where previous increases have shown no resulting improvements, or actual cuts in funding (vice reductions in projected increases - but increases none the less) in areas which have displayed lack of accountability.

Couldn't agree more. Of course, the first place to look at cuts would be the DOD. I don't believe they've accounted for Bremer's missing $9BB yet, nor have they apparently sorted out all the (apparently ongoing) Halliburton profiteering.

[DemonFighterLives]

20. I think the UN had all of Saddam's weapons penned up

I just can't see the good of this war even with a few incidents mentioned. We have lost basically as many servicemen in Iraq as people we lost on 9/11. This doesn't square well with me and that is not counting the 100,000 others dead and terror and chaos created worldwide.
Stupid move by bushco!

[madinmaryland]

23. Someone here is blaming Clinton for the Iraq War

:wtf:

All Clinton wanted was the containment of Saddam, not war.

[meegbear]

10. Good points and ...

:party: WELCOME ABOARD!! :party:

[BOSSHOG]

13. How many more Marines must die

needlessly because of the "intelligent discourse" going on in the oval office brought to you by a man supported by those who 5 years ago longed for a return of a bush to the white house? A Marine supporting a military deserter over an adulterer? How so totally republican.

[BeachBuckeye]

18. I received a letter from the son of my friend who is a Marine

This morning I got his letter and his comments about the war and its results are eye-opening indeed. He says you would not find a single man in his unit that would tell you we have done one bit of good for the Iraqi people. He says they were "gung ho" until the news that there were no WMD's there. Then, their attitudes changed and morale is very low. They are there to protect each other and for no other reason. He is now a guard at Abu Ghrab (sp?) and says the torture allegations are completely true and that "you don't know the half of it."

Promote the war and Mr. Bush if you want Mr. Marine but we all know you are full of shit.

[pecwae]

15. Correct me if I am wrong

you are a supporter of this administration and the war in Iraq, no? If so and if you are a proud current or former Marine, how can you support a man who refused to fulfill his military obligation because he had better, other things to do (didn't we/don't we all) and who sent and continues to send US troops to their deaths due to faulty information? Truly, as a veteran, I cannot understand this.

[BOSSHOG]

21. Welcome Pecwae

It is truly hard to understand however I spent 24 years in uniform supporting and defending ProudMarines right to an opinion and a right to express it. God Bless America for that. Unfortunately for those who believe as he does that you and I have the same rights and it is proven over and over again when intelligent discourse is the chat of choice, conservatives get wiped out at every turn. Expecially when knowledge is thrown against beliefs. Praise the Lord!

[DemonFighterLives]

26. We lost our proud marine

I was actually hoping for him to explain a few things.