"Intelligent Design"

[SHRED]

The latest in the never ending crusade, by the right, to sway public opinion against scientific based premises and toward faith based premises.
The "designer" being the Christian God; which they try to keep hidden from the discussion BTW.

[jobycom]

1. Al Franken did one of his better sketches on this

He had Pat Robertson interview a Native American, who also supported ID. They got into an argument over which creation story was right. Funny stuff.

[Trajan]

3. A variation of Pascal's Wager ...

And actually, the refutation of it ...

[KittyWampus]

7. Al Franken Doesn't Know What He's Talking About In Regards To ID.

He, like most DU'ers and those who decide they'll comment on ID, haven't gotten any further than their own preconcieved, biased views.

[Trajan]

17. HA ! .....

ONLY IDers possess UNpreconceived notions ? ...

Oh ... yeah ... revealed truth ...

I fergot ....

I was born and raised a christian ... then I emerged from the imposed fog, and found a real world ...

NO one is forcing you to leave the fog .....

[Trajan]

2. I gotta laugh when I think of a 'supreme intelligence' ...

creating mankind ....

Has ANYONE ever saw George W. Bush ....

Cmon .... perfect god ?

Cmon ....

That twisted freakish fruit is from one fucked up tree ....

The existence of mankind should be considered the basis of an argument AGAINST theological belief ....

Only harsh nature could cause such a monstrously ignorant man ....

[undergroundpanther]

4. intellegent???

I think mankind, on a deep level, has manufactured a reason for killing the planet and himself, on a species level. It might not be rational or emotional or sane, it might not make sense ... unless seen except through the lens of trauma being expressed in the genetics and consciousness itself.
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Imagine a beautiful lioness hunting. She dashes out to catch a gazelle. See her tear apart a young living gazelle to feed her ever so adorable purring cubs on the pulsing lifeblood and dead body of an animal who wanted to live its life too. Its body fought as hard as it could to live, but just couldn't run fast enough to save herself, as the gazelle’s mother and herd ran away, abandoning her, perhaps watching her die in a most gruesome way, a safe distance from the lion’s racing heart and chewing teeth. Soon all the gazelles will be dead, and the whole pride of lions will die too -- for WHAT?

And the babies and cubs for all generations will be born, to compete fight, face traumas ,maybe reproduce and maybe be eaten but definitely to die. For WHAT?

Tell me, HOW is this game of life and death sane, good, or purposeful? What PROOF does anyone have that it makes sense in any way? What is there that proves this is anything but a struggle that ends in futile carnage, now and later? We don't even know WHAT about life that makes life conscious of itself yet! And still I can't find any explanations of how this is anything but what it is, unless it is an assumption or belief based on FAITH.

Read more....


http://www.unknownnews.org/050802a-up.html

[KittyWampus]

5. Damn, DU'ers Are Slow. ID Does NOT Posit A "Designer".

SOME theorists go too far and end up considering that notion but it is NOT central or necessary to Intelligent Design.

YES, politicians are abusing ID and misrepresenting it.

The lack of understanding on DU is disgusting.

But then Randi Rhodes got it wrong, Al Franken got it wrong, most "Scientists" get it wrong and the Media mostly gets it wrong.

It's as if there's this overriding NEED for American Society to cling to Materialism and Reductionism even though it's on the verge of destroying Civilization.

[SHRED]

11. *cough*

Then set us straight will ya?

A design without a designer?

*coughshit*

[undergroundpanther]

12. Designer or no designer

It does not matter the way we have to live matters..existance is trauma.Think about it,all living things die..In every chance coincidence situation how many other kinds of events are guaranteed like death,what other occurrences on earth is more sure than death? Our world changes through traumas big or small..And if there was a designer it is a monster if it's a design it is very unintelligent and if it is chance why does death kill all and why does change have to be so ugly capricious and brutal all just to die? where is intelligence or design in this? All I see is capricious traumas.The conditions of life are ghastly the competition to succeed are horrific,to the winners and the losers..What are we becoming? Why do people assume "becoming"more complex and pushing for winning or more"progress is ALWAYS good?

And isn't that a kind of faith..

How do we know evolution is worth it?

How do we know anything here is"designed" or not designed?

And if it's a design I can think of NO WORSE of one~everything dies and lucky us we get to be AWARE of impending death,we get to guess when and how all our lives..isn't that special. No wonder humanity is crazy.

[jobycom]

14. It does the way it is being sold in classrooms

There may be some higher Aristotlean concept behind it at its highest levels, but not the way it is being pushed in our schools.

[Trajan]

20. I love the notion ...

of being 'disgusting' to you ...

I love the idea that your philosophy cannot be criticised without you feeling disgust ....

</sarcasm>

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

6. Politics aside, don't the Repubs who DON'T believe in this crap (but

nonetheless court fundie support for votes) realize that pushing this kind of thing in American schools is directly turning our educational system to SHIT and DIRECTLY having a negative impact on how competitive our students and graduates can be with the rest of the (non flat) earth?

A wise man from Georgia said, in 2004:

"As a Christian, a trained engineer and scientist, and a professor at Emory University, I am embarrassed by Superintendent Kathy Cox's attempt to censor and distort the education of Georgia's students. Her recommendation that the word "evolution" be prohibited in textbooks will adversely effect the teaching of science and leave our high school graduates with a serious handicap as they enter college or private life where freedom of speech will be permitted."

"Nationwide ridicule of Georgia's public school system will be inevitable if this proposal is adopted, and additional and undeserved discredit will be brought on our excellent universities as our state's reputation is damaged."

"All high school science teachers, being college graduates, have studied evolution as a universal element of university curricula, and would be under pressure to suppress their own educated beliefs in the classroom."

"The existing and long-standing use of the word "evolution" in our state's textbooks has not adversely affected Georgians' belief in the omnipotence of God as creator of the universe. There can be no incompatibility between Christian faith and proven facts concerning geology, biology, and astronomy.
There is no need to teach that stars can fall out of the sky and land on a flat earth in order to defend our religious faith."

[Nevernose]

10. Soon all Republicans WILL be fundies

There will be no more room left for them, as it's conform or die. Of course, most of the Republicans will simply conform; if they enjoyed critical thinking or weren't afraid of being different or knew how to get along with people different from themselves, they'd be Democrats.

[mcctatas]

8. So if this crap comes to my kids school...

can I opt out of it like fundie parents do for Health class (read:sex ed.) and the evolution sections of biology??? I can't believe this is the year 2005, seems the fundies think it is 1905!!!

[Darranar]

9. All premises are faith-based...

The problem with Intelligent Design is that it doesn't correspond to the implications of the faith-based assumptions behind modern science. As such it does not fall into that category, and should not be taught as if it did.

Most of the somewhat credible arguments for it are philosophical ones.

[FreedomAngel82]

13. Of course

You can not prove God exists. You can not prove he doesn't exist. That is why it's called faith. I think if they want it taught in schools keep it at a religious school. I want to teach my children religion. I want to be apart of that process not a school. With the Christian faith there are different types of branches. I'm Church of Christ. Who will teach my child? A Methodist? A Southern Baptist? A Catholic? By law in a public school a teacher is not allowed to preach to students. I took a Bible History class when I was in high school (I choose to do so since it was an extracricliar class) and the first thing the teacher told us before she began was she couldn't preach to us. I've heard someone on another board tell me that they wouldn't care if it's about a god from Buddahism or whatever but we all know the truth with that.

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

15. The part that makes me mad about this; it's not just any ONE belief,

such as evolution vs. "God created everything." The fact is, pushing these "faith" beliefs makes the precendent of rejecting empirical science in favor of faith.

That is what is SEVERELY damaging to the entire educational system.

[SHRED]

16. That's exactly what they are after

They need more non-critical thinkers.
Like they don't have enough already....jeeesh!

[niallmac]

18. Intelligent Design 101 is a pre req before taking Intro to the Dark Ages.

[Trajan]

19. On Faith ....

"Humanity's first sin was faith; the first virtue was doubt."
-- Mike Huben

[wli]

21. just another attempt to dumb down education to produce more slaves

The neonazis know exactly what they're doing. It's called "dominance training." Content would inspire independent thought and action, which is the last thing they want. So they want to spoon feed pure bullcrap now.