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Oilwellian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-05 11:01 PM
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The Meeting...Judy Miller met with Libby on July 8, 2003
Via TPM:

Scooter Libby and Judy Miller met on July 8, 2003, two days after Joe Wilson published his column. And Patrick Fitzgerald is very interested.

Lewis “Scooter” Libby, the chief of staff to Vice President Dick Cheney, has told federal investigators that he met with New York Times reporter Judith Miller on July 8, 2003, and discussed CIA operative Valerie Plame, according to legal sources familiar with Libby's account.

The meeting between Libby and Miller has been a central focus of the investigation by special prosecutor Patrick J. Fitzgerald as to whether any Bush administration official broke the law by unmasking Plame's identity or relied on classified information to discredit former Ambassador Joseph C. Wilson, according to sources close to the case as well as documents filed in federal court by Fitzgerald.

The meeting took place in Washington, D.C., six days before columnist Robert Novak wrote his now-infamous column unmasking Plame as a "CIA operative." Although little noticed at the time, Novak's column would cause the appointment of a special prosecutor, ultimately place in potential legal jeopardy senior advisers to the president of the United States, and lead to the jailing of a New York Times reporter.

The meeting between Libby and Miller also occurred during a week of intense activity by Libby and White House deputy chief of staff Karl Rove aimed at discrediting Plame's husband, Wilson, who on July 6, 2003, had gone public in a New York Times opinion piece with allegations that the Bush administration was misrepresenting intelligence information to make the case to go to war with Iraq.

More here.
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Mabus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-05 11:04 PM
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1. I hope these drips become a torrent.
Edited on Sat Aug-06-05 11:06 PM by Mabus
Can someone remind me why they claim "liberal media bias" when they are controlling the news?
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-05 11:09 PM
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2. Another brick in the wall...
This is significant.
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Halliburton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-05 11:20 PM
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3. this is big
Fitz already has the goods on Libby, and now all he needs is some corroboration from Miller. Too bad she and Libby are buying time so that Mr. fratboy can save the day.
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-05 11:29 PM
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4. Well golly gee
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Ellipsis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-05 12:16 AM
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5. The dam...is about to burst. Thanks for this news.
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Lecky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-05 12:35 AM
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6. Why did Libby say he heard about Plame from Tim Russert at first?
Get your lies straight Scooter!
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-05 12:39 AM
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7. Judy has been cavorting with the rightwingers for a long time.
Edited on Sun Aug-07-05 12:45 AM by SoCalDem
She's also been their "go-to" gal for a long time.I often wonder if she dropped a dime on Kelly when he had a "meeting" set with her, when all of a sudden, he felt the need to go the woods, slit his wrists, take pills and put a bag on his head ..

She's a steno..just taking down what the "boss" dictates..

rot in jail, judy
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-05 04:49 AM
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8. Hey, SoCalDem, what meeting had Kelly set up with Miller?
I've been trying to connect the last couple of dots on Kelly/Miller, and I didn't know about a planned meeting. Are you just speculating--that there might have been one? Or is there some evidence for it?

He had begun whistleblowing to the BBC anonymously in late May 2003. He'd been to Iraq (could well have crossed paths there with his old friend and book collaborator Judith Miller) after the invasion. Brit intel identified him as the whistleblower around June 30. The story is that he knew he was about to be identified, and so voluntarily notified his bosses. Hm-m-m. (Is that where she might have "dropped a dime on him"?)

I think that the Plame and Kelly stories intersect on July 7, 2003, when Blair was told (after Kelly had been identified and interrogated) that Kelly "could say some uncomfortable things"--"COULD day," not HAD said. (Hutton report.)

I suspect that these "uncomfortable things" that Kelly "could say" caused a panic on AF-1, and it's why, a) they called at least SIX reporters to get Plame outed--putting themselves at high risk of treason charges; and b) didn't have time to get all their cover stories nailed down (many conflicts and weirdnesses in the cover stories).

SOMETHING caused the precipitous and highly risky outing of Plame, and I don't think it was Wilson's article published July 6, because they already expected that. There was NO RUSH to "punish" Wilson (if that was their goal)--they could have been more careful. (--calling at least 6 reporters! --jeez.)

I read an interview of Wilson in which he said he'd called Condi Rice, to get the regime to disavow the Niger nuke claim, and she said (through intermediaries) that she was not interested in his information, but, if he was so concerned about it, why didn't he publish it?

Sounds like she was baiting him. And he'd called others, too. So his July 6 publication would not have been a surprise to them--certainly not reason to act in such a panicky fashion. But what WAS a surprise--and not predictable--was what Kelly knew and "could say" (Blair, July 7).

My guess: that they'd tried to plant nukes or other WMDs in Iraq, to reap the great political gain, and got foiled. They had the public all primed for a "find" of WMDs in Iraq. They had Judith Miller running all around Iraq with the US troops "hunting" for the WMDs that they all knew weren't there. Were they just sitting around hoping some would be found? Not likely.

They were probably moving WMDs to Iraq through some covert network. Plame's specialty was covert WMD contacts around the world, so she was in a prime position to detect it. SOMEBODY foiled them, maybe Kelly himself. In any case, his knowledge of such a plot would be a good candidate for what they found out in his interrogation on July 7, and why Plame was immediately outed and disabled in this highly risk way (putting all sorts of people at risk of treason charges). July 14, Novak.

In one of his final emails, Kelly said he thought the controversy around him would blow over in a week. Probably he had told them he wouldn't disclose the worst, and thought that was the end of it. But they couldn't trust his promise--what he knew was too dangerous. He turns up "suicided." July 18. They search his office and computers and find...what? Connection to Brewster Jennings? (--the covert WMD network had detected the WMDs moving toward Iraq?, and someone--the CIA itself? Kelly friends in Iraq?--stopped it?). Several days AFTER the search of Kelly's office and computers, Novak then outs the whole CIA front company--putting them all at even greater risk of treason charges, and an action that is not very well covered by the story of Rovian revenge against Wilson. July 22, Novak.

On July 17, his last day on earth, Kelly was looking forward to his daughter's wedding and returning to Iraq. So he says in his emails. Not a man about to slit a wrist and slowly bleed to death all night out in the cold and rain near his home (good scientist, too--the best). But he had forebodings--the "many dark actors playing games" that he emailed Judith Miller about. It's odd that she doesn't mention his "dark actors" email--nor any of her close connections to Kelly--in the news article that she wrote about his death for the NYT (July 21, 2003). It was certainly a newsworthy email. (It was later revealed by his family.)

Another little thing that has bothered me--about the Plame outing--was that it is not obvious how Wilson being married to a WMD expert somehow taints or discredits him. It would seem to do the opposite--it would seem to ENHANCE his ability to carry out the Niger mission.

Cocked up story of Rovian revenge. Believable at first glance, but doesn't hold together. Hasty. Precipitous. Panicky.

Whatever the true story is, it seems pretty clear that the Bushites and the Blairites had far more to worry about in July 2003 than a public discussion of their exaggerated Iraq WMD claims. They had almost 100% control of the news monopolies, and could dominate that discussion. Even Wilson's charge could be spun. (Gee, we have no idea how that got into the president's SOTU speech! Must've been that bad old CIA.)

They start calling half of Washington to get Plame outed--involving dozens of people as recipients of top secret info, or launderers of the info, or pushers of the info. No way to cover up that they were trying to out a covert agent. THEN they out a 20 year CIA WMD non-proliferation project, putting all covert agents at great risk. And in between, they flip out over Kelly's rather mild whistleblowing--hunt him down within government, interrogate him in secret, threaten him, out his name to the press, and send him home without surveillance or protection (!).

And another non-proliferation expert goes down.

All in the space of 14 days. July 7, Blair warned on Kelly. July 14, Plame outed. July 18, Kelly found dead. July 22, Plame entire front company/network outed.

The other possible explanations are protection of Cheney arms dealings, and maybe tracking of Saudi/Bush 9/11 money. But, given the political climate in summer 2003, a Bush Cartel plot to plant WMDs in Iraq seems more likely as the motive for the Plame/Brewster Jennings outings and Kelly's death. Think of the triumphal speeches Bush and Blair would have made if WMDs had been "found." And it would have been a real capper for Judith Miller's career. They seemed all set up for it.

Miller seems to be right in the middle of the Plame outing story (as launderer of Plame's identity?), and lurks around the edges of the Kelly story. She was also, of course, chief war propagandist for the Bush Cartel on the front pages of the NYT--a news rag that, just yesterday, was pushing the story that the rebels' bombs in Iraq are being crafted over the border in Iran. It wasn't written by Miller--obviously (she's still in jail)--but it's the sort of thing she did. They haven't learned anything from the Miller debacle! Are we going to hear another apology from them for their poorly sourced stories after the Bush Cartel nukes Iran?

Maybe the reason that the editors and publishers of the NYT didn't care about David Kelly's "dark actors" email is that they ARE the "dark actors."

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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-05 05:27 AM
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9. wow!
brililant analysis - it's really getting scarier and scarier. And I think they will nuke Iran if they get too close to losing it all. Judith Miller is clearly terrified of them now. She's sitting in jail. I wonder what kind of messages she's getting.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-05 06:05 AM
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11. It's an interesting
series of leaks, isn't it? I think that it is as important to consider who leaked this, and why, as to recognize that we have been right all along, and that these leaks are verifying what DUers have said for more than a year.

Also, there is little chance of "nuking" Iran. Nor is there need to. There are plans, in coordination with another country, to have air strikes on specific targets in Iran. The Cheney plan that (rightfully) got some publicity last week is a "worst case" scenario. More important is the most likelt scenario, one that numerous mid-level officials -- all neocons -- were advocating.
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-05 06:04 AM
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10. Wow, you just made a few more pieces of the puzzle
fit together. I knew David Kelly and his 'suicide' fit into this whole mess some how. I just didn't realize how much overlap there was between the two events. No wonder Miller is so willing to sit it out at Club Fed. She's not there to protect her sources, she's protecting herself.

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mtnester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-05 06:24 AM
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14. Wonder how she feels if she has learned of Robin Cook's collapse
and death?

Just sayin.:tinfoilhat:
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-05 06:11 AM
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12. The miller/kelly connection
We wrote volumes about it when it happened, but here's a synopsis from DailyKos..

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/7/3/17138/30618


More About Judith Miller
by jpol
Sun Jul 3rd, 2005 at 14:01:38 PDT
Cross-filed at Booman Tribune

SusanHu has posted a piece on Judith Miller at Booman Tribune that raises some interesting questions about Judith Miller. At this point it would seem that there are more questions than answers, but it is starting to look as if Judith Miller's role in this developing story is much more profound, perhaps even sinister, than that of an honest journalist being pursued for her confidential sources by a dogged prosecutor.


jpol's diary :: ::
Fitzgerald has long been criticized for going after Miller, who, after all, never wrote a story about the Plame affair. I always assumed, as did others I'm sure, that Miller filed a story, but that the Times declined to run it (after all, outing a CIA agent for no good reason is generally frowned upon by the media, especially when the outing is being done by administration officials in the furtherance of a political agenda). Like every one else I assumed Fitzgerald was after Miller's sources. The new element in this to me is that
Miller apparently had some contact with someone at the White House on or about July 6, 2003, the day Joe Wilson's op-ed piece appeared in the New York Times revealing that he had investigated the yellow-cake rumors for the CIA and found them to be untrue. We also know from recent news stories that the Times is not in a position to do what Time, Inc. did relative to Cooper, namely turn over its (Miller's) reporter's notes. That is because the Times says they do not have Miller's notes. To me that suggests that Miller never filed a story after all. Surely if she did she would have had to supply background and documentation to her editors if the story were to be considered for publication. So if Miller never filed a story, just what role did she play in this affair? Why was she in contact with an unnamed "government official" regarding this story on or about July 6th?

The Downing Street Memos and Minutes prove what we really knew all along: that the White House was "fixing" the intelligence in order to justify going to war with Saddam. The major element of that fix was a pr campaign to convince the public that Saddam had a major WMD program. More than any one else, Judith Miller was the primary instrument of that pr campaign, landing story after story prominently in the pages of the New York Times (often on Page One) seeming to make the case for the Bush administration that Saddam was a genuine threat. We know, thanks to leaked e-mails revealed by Howard Kurtz in The Washington Post, that one of her primary sources was Ahmed Chalabi of the Iraqi National Congress, darling of the Neocons who merited the coveted seat next to Laura Bush at the 2004 State of the Union address.

So if Miller did not file a story but was in touch with a "government official," presumably in the White House, when the Plame story was being leaked, just what was her role? Did she aid and abet the White House in getting this story into print? One thing we know for certain is that Karl Rove told MSNBC's Chris Matthews immediately after Robert Novak broke the Plame story that Valerie Plame was "fair game." While that conversation, revealed by Matthews and never denied by Rove, does not prove Rove was involved in the leak, it certainly proves he was in the loop.

All of this brings to mind another story that Judith Miller may have played a larger role in than her readers realize. You may recall the story of David Kelly, the British scientist and expert in WMD, who committed suicide in July 2003 while being investigated as the possible source for a BBC story that suggested (of all things) that the Blair government had doctored the intelligence about Saddam's WMD programs.

Judith Miller filed a story about Kelly on July 21, 2003:
Scientist Was the 'Bane of Proliferators'. The article painted a sympathetic portrait of Kelly and hinted that he believed Saddam did indeed maintain a WMD program despite the fact that no evidence of it had yet been found. Nothing in the article suggested that Miller had had contact with Kelly, nor that she had ever known him. Her story concluded with this passage:


Dr. Kelly's wife, Jan, said he had been under enormous pressure, but in e-mails sent hours before his death, he gave no hint of that, telling an associate, for instance, that he looked forward to returning to Iraq.

Thanks to news articles written by others we know more about Kelly's e-mails than Judith Miller revealed to readers of The New York Times... and more importantly, we know that Kelly wrote at least one e-mail that Miller failed to write about.

Jamie Macaskill, for example, filed a story in The London Sunday Mail on July 20, 2003 entitled: Dark Actors Playing Games:


SUICIDE scientist Dr David Kelly warned a friend that "dark actors" were working against him just hours before his death.
Dr Kelly revealed his fears shortly before killing himself after being dragged into the row over the Government's justification for war in Iraq.
In an email to American author Judy Miller, sent just before he left his home for the last time, he referred to "many dark actors playing games".
But, according to Miller, Dr Kelly gave no indication he was depressed or planning to take his own life.
He told her he would wait "until the end of the week" before deciding his next move following his traumatic appearance before a House of Commons select committee...


In fact, Judith Miller apparently knew David Kelly rather well. She had quoted him in several of her earlier articles going back to 1998, and according to the Globe article referenced above, Kelly had helped her write her book about Weapons of Mass Destruction published several years before.

One would have thought that Miller would have regarded her relationship with Kelly as well as her contact with him just before his death as "scoop" material. Instead she failed to let her readers even know that she had enjoyed a long and close association with him. Even more odd, she left out the provocative e-mail he had written her just prior to his death while writing about a more innocuous one sent to an "associate."

I find Miller's behavior in the Kelly story rather odd, to say the least. Unlike the Plame story, Miller did ultimately write about Kelly, but she camouflaged her own involvement and left much of what she knew out of the piece. I can't pretend to know what role Miller played in the Plame saga, but I am now wondering whether she is being looked at as a possible accessory, rather than as a journalist who is protecting her sources. If that is the case, her efforts to rally the journalistic community to her aid represent a cynical charade.


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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-05 06:20 AM
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13. more
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=kelly+suicide+miller+email



DAVID KELLY AND VICTORIA'S SECRET
Miller, along with two other women was a close confidante of Kelly's. ... One week
before Kelly's death, she had sent him an e-mail that said in part, ...
www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/120903_victoria.html - 40k - Cached - Similar pages


spiked-politics | Article | Kelly's connections
Hutton's evidence also shows that Kelly's email was in response to one sent by
... Why was Miller a member of Kelly's 'fan club'? Miller is one of the most ...
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spiked-politics | Article | Kelly's connections
Since his suicide in July 2003, Ministry of Defence scientist David Kelly has
... (3) Email from Dr Kelly to Judith Miller (.pdf 10.3 KB), Hutton Inquiry ...
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Telegraph: Kelly's last cry for help: I'm haunted by 'many dark ...
Ms Miller said the email she received gave no indication that Dr Kelly, 59, was
depressed. ... Dr Kelly's family spoke for the first time about his suicide, ...
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DAVID KELLY AND VICTORIA’S SECRET
Miller, along with two other women was a close confidante of Kelly’s. ... One week
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Scoop: Dr Kelly's Death: TV Discussion (Channel 4 News)
DR KELLY'S DEATH. From Rowena Thursby. WAS IT SUICIDE OR MURDER? ... Mark Crispin
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