Former British M15 agent suspicious of government conspiracy

[G_j]

interview with David Shayler:

http://mathaba.net/0_index.shtml?x=297407

[Cha]

1. David Shayler has

an interesting story..especially the way he got into MI5 in the first place.

Too bad we can't cut and paste any paragraphs over here but it's definetly worth reading.

The problem if 7/7 were "staged by the government"..it backfired unlike 9/11. People were caught off gaurd on here in America.

I read some interesting things I hadn't known ..like the "steel from the WTC being shipped to China" and some of !the hijackers who were pictured from 9/11 showing up in Saudi Arabia later"!

All of this is at least something everyone should have knowledge of to decide for themselves if their governments are trying to whip them into martial law or not.

[G_j]

4. ==

thanks for a few of the points from the article, as you are correct, it could not be pasted here.

[pretzel4gore]

2. says it all....

it's so obvious that there can't be accident or happenstance...the nazipoos are laffing at dupes...stealing candy from a baby that thinks it's rambo jackson

[HysteryDiagnosis]

3. The world you see, is not the world that is. I hate to plug a movie

as off the wall as The Matrix, but there is an awful lot to it. It's almost as if what we see on our monitors models the world more than the world itself..... what a hoot.

[FreedomAngel82]

5. He was jailed for being a whistleblower?!

<He claims the free people of the world are at war with an enemy within and either democracy will prevail or a fascist rule and martial law will take over.> We can all see that I think. I didn't know this: <Shayler added that what’s even more suspicious is the private security firm in charge of the training drills prior to 7/7 had ties to former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani. >

I remember reading on another website that the Queen was promoting the ID card act they were having and support was very very low and just a few days before Blair announced they were going to pull out of Iraq and since then I haven't heard anything else about it. This is another thing like 9/11: < Further, he also received information that one of the named suicide bombers, whose picture was released in the London press, has turned up alive and well in Pakistan.> Remember that one guy who was supposed to have been a terrorist was seen a live in an airport and his father said he got a call from his son the day after 9/11 when he was supposed to have been dead?

<“It’s a crime to obstruct justice and that is exactly what the American authorities did when they allowed FEMA to haul away all the steel from the World Trade Center, shipping it to China,” said Shayler. “Now this type of cover-up tells me right-off the authorities are hiding something much bigger, something that needs answering.>

I agree and they should be held accountable but corption is a family legacy in the Bush family at least to Samuel Bush. They're all traitors to the country.

<“You have to remember that there were weapons discovered on planes that didn't take off on 9/11. Now people have obviously postulated that they were going perhaps to attack the White House or Capitol Hill. That looks to me like an attempt to destroy American government and declare a state of emergency, in fact a coup de'tat, a violent coup de'tat."> I think this is where the real ID act comes in. Hitler had a very similiar act where they had all types of information on their cards. This was the first step to Hitler's martial law and thus to Bush's and hopefully the British people won't let Blair do it.

<Making analogies between explosives used in IRA bombings he investigated while working on the Irish resistance, he said it was virtually impossible for jet fuel, as the American government contends, to bring down the Twin Towers.

He compared the WTC to an IRA bombing in front of the Baltic Exchange Building in Bishopsgate, saying a thousand tons of homemade explosives were used without a much smaller building collapsing.>

Of course. The towers were built in such a way to prevent such an event. I believe only someone on the inside could've known where to put the bombs to get them just the right place to do enough damage to bring them down. Bush's brother, Neil, was in charge of security of the WTC towers and his contract ended the day of 9/11. Very interesting timing don't you think?

<“I was effectively never allowed to mount a defense or even show facts why I acted in the national interest,” said Shayler, being convicted in November of 2002 and sentenced to six months in jail, but only serving seven weeks of the sentence as well as seven weeks of house arrest.> This is very sad and very Hitlerisque. Remember the White Rose Society group?

[1932]

6. He left MI5 long before 9/11, right?

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

7. Not a reputable source.

They are pushing a lot of crackpot hoo-haa.

[G_j]

8. who are "they"?

the website? explain?

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

9. mathaba.net

This isn't the first time their name has popped up around here. They seem to be pushing a lot of nonsense conspiracy theories.

[G_j]

11. I had not heard of them before

the article in question came originally from something called the Arctic Beacon. I was not able to access the link, but thought I'd try again later.

btw, I do not, and will never accept people's judgments of "conspiracy theories" as "nonsense" without concrete backup.

[Minstrel Boy]

10. And David Shayler? What do you think of him and his D-Notice?

More crackpot hoo-haa?

[Monkey see Monkey Do]

12. Greg Szymanski is a whackjob, but

Shaylers blown the whistle (& been supported) on some interesting stuff. For some reason he's started getting very conspiratorial & appearing on stuff like the Alex Jones show which IMHO really damages his credibility as a spokesman for Mi5's fuckups & incompetence & Mi6's criminality.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/shayler/0,2759,339663,00.html

[Eloriel]

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