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riverrunner Donating Member (16 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-05 07:30 PM
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The Gulag Achipelago
The Russion book...

Is it worth a read? It's damn big.
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Quakerfriend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-05 07:32 PM
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1. Yes, well worth it.
But, it is very difficult and depressing, too. Especially in these times.
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riverrunner Donating Member (16 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-05 07:35 PM
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2. there must be some uncanny similarities
with the Patriot Act and just the general state of civil liberties here in America, along with the secret WOT prisons.
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Dudley_DUright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-05 07:40 PM
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4. No accident that Amnesty International used the word 'gulag' to describe
Edited on Sun Aug-07-05 07:43 PM by Dudley_DUright
our world wide secret prison and rendition system (not just Guantanamo)

"A new agenda is in the making, with the language of freedom and justice being used to pursue policies of fear and insecurity. This includes cynical attempts to redefine and sanitise torture," said Ms Khan.

She said the US claimed to be promoting freedom in Iraq, yet its troops had committed appalling torture and had ill-treated detainees. She described Guantánamo Bay as "the gulag of our time".

She said: "The US administration attempted to dilute the absolute ban on torture through new policies and quasi-management speak such as 'environmental manipulation', 'stress positions', and 'sensory manipulation'."


http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1492349,00.html
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Dudley_DUright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-05 07:36 PM
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3. Welcome to DU riverrunner
:hi: I read the book in college (and still have it somewhere). It made a deep impression on me at the time and helped to solidify my social conscience with its tales of mans inhumanity to man over ideology.
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glaucon Donating Member (116 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-05 07:45 PM
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6. By all means read it...

...it records in excruciating detail a sad chapter in Russian history.

But also read Solzhenitsyn's address (http://www.columbia.edu/cu/augustine/arch/solzhenitsyn/harvard1978.html) to Harvard University in 1978.

He blasts the US in particular, and the West in general, for our spiritual weakness, our commercialism, and our "humanism." We are weak and flabby, according to him, because we, as a people, have not suffered as the Russians have.

Many of his criticisms are spot-on. But he sounds a bit too Ayn Randish or Nietzschean for my taste. He is not a friend of democracy, imho.
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TomClash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-05 07:43 PM
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5. An outstanding book nt
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Igel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-05 08:24 PM
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7. I've only ever read bits of it.
"Cancer Ward" gives you a sort of feel for a lot of Solzhenitsyn's writings, and, if you read it closely, makes reading the GULag Archipelago unnecessary. But you have to read it closely, because sometimes important facts about the USSR as of the mid-50s are mentioned briefly. The action occurs in 1955, a year before Khrushchev's speech "exposing" Stalin's crimes, but things were already loosening up; written in the '60s, it's also about the time when Solzhenitsyn, in exile, was sent to a cancer ward to be treated for a rare form of cancer. (Reading book one of Simonov's "The living and the dead"--a WWII novel--last week hard on the heals of finishing Cancer Ward was sort of a shock, but oddly enough, Simonov wrote late enough that they share some of the same questions.)

If you want specifically prison camp literature, Solzhenitsyn was sort of in awe of Shalamov. Shalamov was in Kolyma, which was much, much worse than anything Solzhenitsyn experienced. It's rather like reading John Hersey's _Hiroshima_ in lieu of "The Secret Garden". Shalamov's "Kolyma Tales" ("Kolyma Stories"?) are much shorter than the GULag Archipelago, and you can just read a couple--a much less serious time commitment.

The capitals are proper here (GULag), since it's an abbreviation for Gosudarstvennoe Upravlenie ispravitel'no-trudovykh Lagerei i trudovykh kolonii, i.e., Government Administration for correctional-labor camps and labor colonies. It pays to remember that the idea wasn't mindless torture or confessions--it was punishment with a view to making sure people didn't do it again or were permanently removed from society (for those in "eternal exile). A GULag could be a prison, a camp like what the US put Japanese in during WWII, or a remote place of exile with no guards or fences, but an administrative officer 'in charge' of your case. One commonality: forced labor in the prisons/camps, and since they paid no money in exile, you worked for your living. Like a dog, in all cases. A GULag could be harsh and penal, it could be white collar/political or even scientific/engineering, and where you went depended on how the government felt about you, and how you sucked up to it. It's where you went *after* you were sentenced, either to punish you, or get you out of the way. Typical punishments included a stint in prison/camp (where the real abuses usually occurred) and a stint in exile; "lucky" folk were just exiled. At its height, the GULags held many millions of people, with 2-3 million dying (seldom of old age) per year; at least one economist claims that the GULag increased the USSR's productivity (lots of labor, low cost), and the USSR's economy declined as a result of the GULags' emptying. You weren't usually sent to a GULag for non-serious crimes: burgle an apt., probably not; criticize Him, kill somebody, or steal from a state enterprise ... probably.

Most books on Soviet history from the mid-1990s to the present give a fairly accurate portrayal of the GULags; Robert Conquest's numbers are close to what's usually accepted these days, and Heller and Nekrich in _Utopia in Power_ (1985) discuss the various estimates for the GULag population and death toll, including Solzhenitsyn's. Estimates from before around 1993-4 are subject to a lot of political bias: even having concluded that the USSR was a human rights disaster, there was a reluctance to think it as bad as it was in most ways. It wasn't until the archives were opened up that conservatives' less conservative estimates were shown (in general) to be much closer to the truth than liberals' more conservative estimates. If you want a cute twist: many prisoners to the more exotic locations on Russia's east coast were transported by ship ... all of which were insured by Lloyd's of London.
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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-05 08:41 PM
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8. It isn't really an easy read. But it is an important book.

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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-05 08:44 PM
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9. his much shorter book is very good
One Day in the Life of Ivan Denisovich.
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