Watching Pentagon press briefing...

[pointblank]

Rumsfeld is saying that Iranian weapons have been found in Iraq.


Boy, they really are prepping us for an Iranian strike aren't they?

[Pam-Moby]

1. Well yes, that is what it sound like to me.

Each day you will hear more of this. I say where is the proof of these weapons George?

[BrotherBuzz]

5. Iran, Iran, Iran, Iran, Iran, Iran, Syria, Iran, Iran...

Don't forget Syria

[Brotherjohn]

7. No. We scale back the debate to what we should have had in the first...

... place.

HOW is it going to make us safer invading and conquering sovereign nations in the Mid-East? Doesn't that make things WORSE?! Doesn't that make us imperialistic dicks?

WHY is it okay to invade and conquer a sovereign nation, unless it is a clear-cut, pure case of immediate self-defense?

WHY is the Bush Doctrine even remotely acceptable? Isn't it against all commonly accepted standards of international law (which we may or may not be subject to).

[Brotherjohn]

2. Ahhh... so Iran is fighting us in Iraq. They know WMDs ain't enough...

... anymore.

So now it's "mushroom clouds" AND "they're already attacking us!"

Never mind that WE created that situation, and we have so little control over it, that of course a few militants are going to be able to cross the border and fight the "infidels" (that is if you can believe anything at all that comes out of their mouths).

[wtbymark]

3. i think it's interesting that the press

asks pretty hard questions now to both the Pentagon and the WH, but none of it is reported or written about by the same reporters that are grilling Scotty and Rummy. They grill them during press conferences and then shut-up about it on the news or in print. ass-backwards reporting.

[ewagner]

13. Rummy's last comment was scary

something like:

"What IS perfectly clear is that the government of Iran didn't PREVENT the shipment" (of weapons to Iraq)

That's the game folks.......Iran didn't PREVENT the shipment so they must be behind them....this is the rationale for bombing/invading Iran that they've been looking for.

[Spike from MN]

27. Well, we didn't PREVENT the 9/11 hijackers from coming to the US

so we should invade ourselves for harboring terrorists.

[FreedomAngel82]

31. Exactly

Plus fifteen of the nineteen hijackers are supposivley from Saudi Arabia even though we attacked Afgahinstan with no proof to really back up the claim. :mad:

[FreedomAngel82]

29. One thing that always gets me

is how we tell other countries they don't have the right to protect themselves while we're going around and doing mass murder in Iraq. We're such hypocrites and we're the country number one where it concerns having WMD's but you don't see other countries telling us we can't defend ourselves. :mad:

[nadinbrzezinski]

4. Of course adn they are going the Cambodia route

For the record I have no doubts that there may be some support from fellow Arab and Persian supporters, it is a Jihad for many of them, but telling the identiy and origin of an AK 47 is a tad hard... first off, Chinese licence or Ruskie? Second how many millions were produced? Wow I am impressed taht they can trace an AK to Iran, if you get my drift

[Brotherjohn]

9. That's IT! They'll trace the AK-47s to their source, and we're going to..

...bomb Cambodia!

[pointblank]

6. HOLY SHIT!!!

Now Chimpie is on CNN talking about Iran and yellowcake....Cant tell if its live, but I think it is.

[pointblank]

8. My god...

He is stuttering like a mofo today...He was just asked why aren't we behind a nuclear energy program for Nkorea but are for Iran and he is mumbling all over the place.

[Brotherjohn]

10. Somebody should ask him why we are allowed to have nukes...

... but anyone else (we don't like) gets them, and we bomb the hell out of them.

[BelgianMadCow]

16. that is, to me, a very pertinent question

all this talk of nukes and non-proliferation is just the haves saying to the have-nots : we will not tolerate you disturbing our supreme reign.

Holds no water at ALL. And don't come telling me uh-oh but these are some theocratic, fundamendalist dictators and such stuff. I know of one which I consider to be a madman at the helm of the biggest war budget on earth.

[soothsayer]

19. Well, we're the only one who's used 'em, so we, uh, have

experience! yeah, yeah, that's the ticket

[FreedomAngel82]

32. Really

Anyone who does that though will be called a terrorist sympathizer. :eyes: Plus don't forget we're supposivley number one with nukes.

[Zan_of_Texas]

12. They're blathering fools!

Sure Iran has "weapons" -- probably some AK-47s. Tanks.

And, yer point would be?

Let me tell you who has weapons.


The US military has 725 bases in 132 countries. The US has a total of 1,389,000 men and women on active duty.

That's more than the entire state of Idaho (1.37 million). Or, it's more than the entire state of Maine (1.3 million); or, it's more than the entire state of New Hampshire (1.3 million).
{Source: Almanac population figures July 2003 http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0110379.html}

Payroll for these uniformed personnel is nearly $80 billion a year.

The US spends 37% of all the money spent anywhere in the globe on military. The US is the world's largest arms seller, responsible for 47 percent of all munitions transfers between 1996 and 2000.

The US has 8,820 nuclear bombs, plus 10,000 in storage. Apparently that is not sufficient, because the government has authorized expenditure of an additional $20 billion for nuclear weapons.

{Source for statistics: The Sorrows of Empire by Chalmers Johnson}

As we commemorate the 60th anniversary of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, let's remember, there's only been one country to ever drop nuclear weapons on a city ... United States of America.

[Skidmore]

21. These idiots are one trick ponies.

And if this nation lets itself get led down this path again, we deserve what comes after. Of all the gall.

[marions ghost]

23. didn't they use that bogus yellowcake story last time ?

they've cried wolf just a LITTLE too often.... :freak:
get a new scriptwriter

[driver8]

24. did he really use the "yellowcake" story again??

I thought that was a joke!!??

That is unbefuckinglievable!!!

[katinmn]

11. All signs are pointing that way

[walkon]

15. Does the announced decision

to send more troops to Iraq portend an Iranian action of some kind? According to the neocons we haven't needed more troops through all the crap that's gone on, and now, with no change in circumstances, we do.

[katinmn]

20. yes, and just last week they said there was a plan to start withdrawing

US troops!

[driver8]

25. Right...withdrawing troops from Iraq so we can send them to Iran.

If this administration thinks that Iran is going to roll over for them, they are sadly mistaken. The mess in Iraq will seem like a vacation compared to the shitstorm that Iran will bring.

These people are absolutely, certifiably, insane!!!

[FreedomAngel82]

34. Yes

I saw this about a week ago on Sunday afternoon on the CNN scroll that there is plans to start withdrawing in Spring of 2006 just in time for the midterms. Looks like Bush wants to start early because people are losing their support and aren't afraid enough.

[evil eggplant]

14. TraitorGate becomes a non-issue

Holy shit. These guys will stop at nothing.

[driver8]

26. Get ready for "9/11: The Sequel"...

It is definitely coming.

[Norquist Nemesis]

17. The UN Security Council is meeting

either today or tomorrow. Gee, I guess Bush got Bolten in there just in time! :sarcasm:

It has begun. Batten down the hatches everyone.

[Ian David]

18. what channel? n/t

[Generator]

22. Cover of the Oregonian this morning

Iran restarts nuclear program. Something like that. I mumble to myself, why bother! we all are going to die anyway. I'm having a hard time living in this bizarro world. I feel all the information is a manipulated propaganda scheme to achieve something-whatever it is-it's not good. I wish I still believed the media, the government or someone was looking out for me. I don't anymore. So gotta enjoy the moment, because I guess Morrison was right-the future's uncertain and the end is always near.

PS I hate August. Worse dead end brown hot hopeless month of the year.

[FreedomAngel82]

28. And people trust them why???

Of course since they rule the government who's to stop them?

[Cleita]

30. You believe him?

With all the lies they have told up until now, how can you be sure this isn't another lie?

[Hubert Flottz]

33. We know they lied last time about Iraq!

We need to see proof Rumbo!

[marions ghost]

35. can anybody think of a better reason

to get themselves into an anti-war groove than this bit of 'news'? I just don't know if they can really sell an invasion of Iran. It seems to me there is just NOT the support now. Nobody knows where the truth lies or who to trust after being so jerked around on Iraq. But of course the government hijackers may not think they need the backing of the country anymore.

Does anybody think they can rally support for a strike on Iran?