Here's some photos (Warning Graphic!) of Lou Dobbs real "Minutemen"

[NNN0LHI]

http://www.iidb.org/vbb/showthread.php?t=132757



Note the multiple participants defiantly enagaging in the Nazi salute and the clearly visible Confederate flag that, when flown in this context in California, is clearly a racist symbol. Note the men with shaved heads (skinheads). Although it is not clearly exposed in this photograph (it is in others below) the Nazi in the blue jacket is holding a Nazi flag with a swastika. The skinhead in the tanktop is also holding a Nazi flag (Hitler Youth reproduction).



Photo:
The guy in the camo shirt holding half the banner is an acknowledged Minuteman organizer. His friends in the image (note that he is willingly holding up a banner with one of them for the camera) are Neo Nazis.

Minutemen organizers have been photographed with people with open Neo Nazi affiliations, have solicited support from racist organizations who now regularly publicize Minuteman events so their membership can show up. Although the Minutemen routinely deny being racist or cooperating with racists since their inception they have willingly stood alongside Neo Nazis and they are not doing anything to meaningfully seperate their organization and actions from the Neo Nazi movement except to make very weak claims they're not in bed together. The Minutemen wouldn't be able to help it if Neo Nazi skinheads showed up to their protests unannounced and uninvited but they could then more strongly condemn Neo Nazis, elaborate on how their attitude toward immigration differs from the Neo Nazis, and refuse to stand alongside the Nazis at the protests. They have repeatedly failed to do so.

[abbeyco]

1. Where's the guy

with the Moran sign? :shrug:

Sorry, I just couldn't resist....

[TimeChaser]

3. Well, you see

He wanted to make a "Stop Immigration" sign, but when trying to spell out immigration, his brain imploded.

[havocmom]

2. Re nazi salute: Gotta give 'em points for honesty

At least they acknowledge the basis of their ideology. The ones who wrap themselves in All-American kisch are really annoying.

Now, how do we educate these dim bulbs that the problem is not the people who cross the borders illegally, but the employers who are allowed to exploit them for profit?

Go protest outside the offices of companies who make obsence profits by hiring and expoliting the vulnerabilities of illegal entrants ya stupid morans!

Side note: since it often seems the same crowd doing this as trying to abolish women's right to control their own reproductive organs, I'm thinkin they are more afraid of brown people outnumbering white people than they are fretting about unborn children.

[entanglement]

46. Exactly; the Minutemen should be honest about the REAL

reasons for their actions and quit being hypocritical liars;

[Gormy Cuss]

4. I have an idea.

Do you think we could get Fred Phelps to protest at the border with signs reading "God hates Minutemen?" It makes about as much sense as his protests at soldier funerals.

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[tridim]

6. I hate California Nazis

[Robbie Michaels]

7. I Written Op/Eds about Save Our State...

These photos are from the recent protest they recently held at Laguna Beach. Have you guys ever visited their site? Be careful when you troll or lurk around their message board unless you can stand racism. It's the only place I've seen with a burning Mexican flag as an avatar by one of their frequest posters.

These people are not who they claim to be. Their protest activities in Baldwin Park had absolutely nothing to do with illegal immigration.

[QuettaKid]

8. but who's the cutie in the skirt!?!? nt.

.

[krkaufman]

11. Standard marketing ploy...

... to attract new recruits.

[YOY]

17. Looks a little Asian/Eurasian...or maybe even Jewish

but dressed like a trollup?

[girl gone mad]

29. Someone needs to let her know..

that she isn't aryan, and maybe slap a little sense into her while they're at it.

A few years ago, I befriended the nicest couple. Somewhere along the line they told me they had been members of a skinhead group. Apparently, it isn't so easy to break away from these organizations. They use mind control techniques to lure people in and keep them line, just like a cult. After this couple came to their senses and got out, they were severely harrassed. They frequently had their car tires slashed, had rocks thrown though windows and recieved threatening phone calls. Several years later, they were still fearful of ever running accross any members of the group.

[YOY]

32. Sadly there are Skins in non-aryan countries

Such as the UK, Italy, Bulgaria, Romania, and of course Russia (Zhirinovski's little minions.) Despite the fact that most of the Aryans look down upon them they still take up the idiot flag to furthur nationalist agendas.

They usually take up the guise of soccer hooligans and spend their time harrassing local Muslims and Roma (gypsies (vulgar term)).

Then again if they would ever just read some skinhead music lyrics then you'd understand just how they view any and all non-aryans.

"An dago ain't nothin' more than a light colored n****" comes to my mind as lyrics I've seen once. (I am Italian American btw)

[okieinpain]

31. that's what I was thinking.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

35. Trollup? Do we need to use sexist terms to describe racist women?

[YOY]

38. I dunno it goes well with the Trolls she's with

and somehow Ice-T's "KKK Bi***" goes well with the picture despite its rather mysogynist text.

[VOX]

20. She's sporting red shoelaces = initiated neo-Nazi. n/t

[frictionlessO]

25. Nice friggin' catch!

Bet she gets all the free meth she wants.

[Astarho]

44. Is she the same girl as in the top two? nt

[krkaufman]

9. Funny...

I was thinking "what a bunch of white supremicist, neo-nazi whack jobs"....

... and that was just looking at the first picture and BEFORE I noticed the "Sieg Heils" and Confederate flag. I'm such a bad person for judging these guys, and jumping to the right conclusion.

[Old and In the Way]

10. Look at the guty on the left holding the American flag.

He's giving a George W Bush wave for the camera.

They are all nazi's, whatever flag their waving, irregardless of their dress or their haircut. These so-called minutemen have a lot more in common with the Nazi skinheads than they do with the rest of us.

[TWiley]

12. Notice how the symbols

Of the Klan, Neo Confederates, Neo-Nazi's, Christian Identity, and the National Alliance share the same stage?

[FreedomAngel82]

13. They're all disgusting

Especially wit the Nazi flag and Hitler sign. Excuse me while I barf.

[Cleita]

15. The reason they are so blatant about being Nazi and

admiring Hitler is that part of their Christianity involves annhilating all Jews.

[entanglement]

43. That, I repeat, that is the ONLY thing that

separates them from 'mainstream' freepers

[TWiley]

57. I wonder if the freepsters "free speech zones" apply to Nazi's?

or, is it only "liberal speech" that must be zoned.

[FreedomAngel82]

14. And if you think about it

the only people here who are not immigrants are the Native Americans even though they are treated as such.

[Beaverhausen]

16. I went to that Laguna art show last year...and joined antiwar protest

...that was happening a bit down the road right in town. They were very cool people and had extra signs so we picked them up and stood for a while with them.

These sick people are just...well...sick.

[seabeyond]

18. in a mere 5 years with bush, we are legitimizing nazism.

way to go repugs. damn good thing they have all the power to show all us the values we are as a nation. wow.

i liked the liberal 60's flower child a whole lot more

[Caleb]

27. bush has criticized the "minutemen"

And plus, neo-Nazis hate Bush because they think he's a Jewish puppet.

[seabeyond]

28. bush is the ultimate in embracing bigotry and hate

in the last five years thru his own displays of hate, has allowed the hate of ALL our haters. dont get to say, only my hate, all other hate,.....bad. not how universe works.

no, repugs get to own em. it is theirs. it is their creation. along with godhatesfags.com

[TWiley]

50. He wins their approval on several counts.

First of all, Abortion. Many Neo-Nazi's are angry because too many "white babies" are being killed.

Second of all, killing Muslims. Many Neo-Nazi's hate non-christian protestant religions.

Thirdly, "states rights" and neo-confederacy issues. Bush is more in line with them here also.

Neo-Nazis tend to hate liberal Democrats also. They are considered communists.

Racist orginazations are generally far right, and tend to frame themselves as patriotic, values oriented folks.

[VOX]

19. Next time the "Is the Confederate flag a racist symbol?" debate comes up..

Show these pix. End of story. :grr:

[alarcojon]

30. Bookmarked!

good call.

:thumbsup:

[guruoo]

21. I'd say Dobbs will be addressing

this issue tonight.

[tk2kewl]

22. I've said it before, I'll say it again

[meganmonkey]

23. oooh - cool graphic! n/t

[Lerkfish]

24. am I allowed to say NOW that the minutemen org is racist?

just wanted to know. Everytime I've suggested it in the past I get hollered down.

gee...I dunno...waving a swastika. No, I must have been mistaken earlier.

silly me.

[ComerPerro]

40. no! No! The minutemen are patriots and true heroes

You were wrong to call them racists, and I was wrong to call them a bunch of shithead jerkoff punks looking to start shit and feel big without actually putting their asses on the line in Iraq.

:sarcasm:

[donheld]

26. Looks like a KKK rally to me

All they're lacking is their white hoods.

[Lefty48197]

33. I'd have jumped the curb and plowed all of them into the concrete

Don't worry, God would sort them out.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

34. I think more than a few DU'ers owe me an apology..I WAS RIGHT!!!!

nothingshocksmeanymore (1000+ posts) Wed Apr-06-05 10:50 AM
Original message
The Minutemen are bigots and so is anyone who supports them



http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=3434922

[LoZoccolo]

42. Not really.

Some guy posts a picture of a Nazi rally, which happen all the time, and says one of the guys is a Minuteman but doesn't know his name, along with a paragraph he wrote at the bottom. So?

Is this like when they said Theresa Heinz gave to Hezbollah? Or that John Kerry was a communist because CPUSA endorsed him?

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

53. Maybe you missed the story where the Texas leader of the Minutemen

resigned because the group was mostly white supremacists. Maybe you missed the rally in Garden Grove California where the racists spoke on behalf of this group...

Maybe you missed the fact that their Arizona leader Chris Simcox is a white supremacist.

Perhaps you are mistaken.

[Maddy McCall]

49. Yep.

And that girl in the bottom photo owes us all an apology for that horrendous tiger-striped, fake-fur miniskirt she's wearing. :silly:

You were always right. I always agreed with you. Don't see how anyone could not see that this whole "movement" was grounded in racism, bigotry, and xenophobia.

[Rex]

36. Ahh Nazis and the KKK

such pillars of society. NOT. They are verminous scum.

[XemaSab]

37. WOW

Anyone who said the minutemen were racists really called it.

[ComerPerro]

39. Just more Red State Values Voters

You know, good, honest, hardworking Americans.

The kind of people who really "get" Bush's sense of values and respect.

(edit: I don't care where this picture was taken, I call them "red state" because these fuckos come from all over the country)

[DarkTirade]

41. Y'know what... I agree...

So all you white people who came here illegally and started killing my ancestors... get the hell off my land.
:evilgrin:

[LSU_Subversive]

45. note the guy with the american flag t-shirt sporting the nazi salute

[dmr]

47. That Nazi flag alongside the American flag is insulting

then topping it off with a Confederate flag!

That is insulting and disgusting in every sense.

And they call themselves patriotic Americans?

[Maddy McCall]

48. All I can think is "fucking morans."

Where did they go wrong in life, who hurt them so badly, that they had to find a sense of societal inclusion by joining a group like this?

They are truly pitiful.

[mixedview]

51. pics like these reinforce my belief in the 1st and 2nd amendments

They have the right to express themselves.

I have the right to blow their brains out if they try to hurt me or mine.

If I found myself in a dark, isolated area with a group of these Nazi thugs - the cops or the Million Moms or the pacifists aren't going to save my brown ass.

ps. the cute girl in the tiger skirt does not at all look white - she looks hispanic or phillipino or something.

[RandiFan1290]

52. Looks like the prostitutes are out in force.

I guess she is upset that she has to drop her $10 fee down to $5.

:popcorn:

[rman]

54. Is the issue of anti-semitism ever brought up, regarding these folks?

I don't seem to recall that it is, not very often anyway - not regularly, not by the usual watchdogs, anyway.

I realize these people don't usually spout anti-Jewish slurs, at least not in public.
But is it far-fetched to assume they admire Hitler and the nazis for what they did?

The slightest hint of criticism regarding Israel's policies: wham, half the world comes down on you. Carry a large swastika flag: nothing.

Unless i'm mistaken, isn't that rather peculiar?

[TWiley]

56. It is strange that the WWII vets have been silent.

I have often wondered why there has not been much of a stir from their camp. They have the right to assemble and protest, and to speak their views; it just seems strange that the vetern groups have not opposed them.

[immoderate]

58. Hard to find a WWII vet younger than 80.

They don't get out much. Too bad. They wouldn't take this. Most are dead, hence their silence.

--IMM

[TWiley]

59. I asked one conservative vet on the CNN message

board before the 2000 elections, and he refused to believe that there was a Neo-Nazi movement in America.

In one generation, they have gone from the enemy to "patriots".

[immoderate]

60. Well, super-patriotism was a facet of Nazism.

It's become distorted here. It's a feature of war time. Now it's misplaced.

--IMM

[Ganja Ninja]

55. Well that about wraps it up for the argument that ...

the minutemen are anything but racists