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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 08:40 PM
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What Cindy Sheehan and Andy Stephenson have in common.
The same tactics are being used against her by many of the same people who attacked Andy.

The difference is that she is well enough to defend herself.
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Wetzelbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 08:40 PM
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1. some serious sand
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 08:42 PM
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What does that mean? Serious sand? nt
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 08:43 PM
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5. Tenaciousness. Grit.
From how a little sand in a water pump will destroy it - Early 19th century slang.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 08:47 PM
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8. Grit. I got it and love it! Thanks.nt
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 08:42 PM
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3. True. They both have that. nt
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 08:41 PM
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2. Like to believe Andy is watching over her
And having a good laugh at all the shit hittin shrub's fan.
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acmejack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 08:45 PM
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6. I like that!
nice image
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 08:42 PM
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4. i was just saying today
that cindy is the new andy.
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 10:35 PM
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18. Andy was a jem.
Edited on Tue Aug-09-05 10:36 PM by ronnykmarshall
Cindy is a jem too. Andy is looking out for her and making sure she shines like a diamond.

:toast: To Andy and Cindy!


:loveya: :hug: :evilgrin: To sniffa !!!

I need a shameless drool smiley for my boy.
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 08:46 PM
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7. We are not aloud heroes. Neocons have to control all the heroes.
And corporate advertisers. These real heroes are just inappropriate.
:sarcasm:
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Generic Other Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 09:00 PM
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9. They hate us for not being afraid
Screw 'em.
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 09:03 PM
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10. And for getting results!
Do you think they would ever have attacked Andy had we been unable to raise the $50K for his surgery? Nope! Our success in fundraising was what they were attacking.

And now they are attacking Cindy for her success in making Shrub look like the total asshole we all know he is.
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Generic Other Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 09:27 PM
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14. I guess it's hurting them more than they can hurt us
I have my kevlar undies on! :)
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bettyellen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 09:09 PM
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11. that's funny, i see andy in her too....
something in their spirit, it's like a spark going off. it's a beautiful thing.
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 09:10 PM
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12. The cast of characters is different
Edited on Tue Aug-09-05 09:47 PM by Jack Rabbit
EDITED for typing

Andy was attacked by amateurs. They continue to throw stones at his grave. They were online Lee Atwater/Karl Rove wannabes. Few of those people will never rise above the level of political street thug.

Do you want to see the masters at work? Take a look at what's about to happen to Cindy Sheehan. Or what has happened to Joe and Valerie Wilson. Or what they did to John Kerry's service record while they were making the Frat Boy look like the real war hero.

Cindy Sheehan and the Wilson are up against the White House and GOP attack machine. These guys are the pros. They're too smart to smear a dead or dying man. They'll leave that to minions on FreeRepublic along with skewing online polls and rating down embarrassing news stories. The pros don't worry about Andy Stephenson; he'll never stop them from stealing another vote again.

But the Wilsons? Cindy Sheehan? Now, they're still living and still have a story to tell. They have to make damn sure no one wants to listen to it. And they do that by making it look like they're no one you want to have them over for dinner.

When these guys are through, some people are going to think Cindy Sheehan planted the bomb that killed her son. They have no respect for anybody or anything; they have no shame.

We have got to be ready to fight back. I've had enough. I want them put away where they'll never be able to ruin the reputation of good, innocent people again.
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 09:23 PM
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13. Yes, true....
But the Bush Leaguers who attacked Andy are in on this one too. Clearly they aspire to Rovedom.
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 09:35 PM
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16. Well put. These guys play for keeps & they'll stop at nothing to win. nt
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marions ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 09:29 AM
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24. good points
yes, their goal is to tear down ANYONE who dares to stick their neck out and become associated with a cause that works against the ruthless RW agenda. They know very well that any organization needs leaders to rally around and they will seek and destroy any who appear as quickly as possible. Not only undermines the organization, but also helps to limit the numbers who are willing to speak out.

They will try to smear Cindy with everything they've got. We must support her with everything we've got. She is dangerous because she is able to channel the rage about the unjustifiable death of her son into action against the war and against the practices of this govt. She could have chosen to suffer in silence, like so many of us do, and just try to 'move on' (whatever that is in the face of this kind of abuse of power). But Cindy has chosen to stand out of the crowd and fight for what she knows is right. She is drawing a line in the sand in Crawford. That line is symbolic of the many transgressions perpetrated by this government on its hapless citizens. Cindy is speaking for millions, I believe, and she speaks from the heart.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 09:28 PM
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15. OMG This makes me mad enough to spit nails! How dare them!
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 10:33 PM
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17. I was just thinking that.
I keep waiting for the same assholes that attacked Andy to start in with Cindy.

The same shit might happen with Crawford Peace House raising money. Fuck those assholes. I really hate the right wingnuts.

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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 10:51 PM
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19. Exactly Ben.
And I have seen some that attacked or questioned Andy and the fund raising here try to discourage DUs support of Cindy. It is the same tactics, the same hate based on the same fear.

To Andy and to Cindy :toast:

:loveya: I love both heros! :patriot:

I miss Andy. :cry:

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Humor_In_Cuneiform Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 11:37 PM
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20. Question
First I heard of Andy being ill was during his trip to FL with Bev after the Nov election.

Was he dx'ed before then?



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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 11:53 PM
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21. No, in fact it wasn't until Spring that they had any clear idea. nt
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Humor_In_Cuneiform Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 04:22 PM
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25. Does anyone think that
there was any connection between what happened in FL, what they ate etc, and his illness?

As I recall it came on suddenly, and I've never heard much more about it.
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 05:40 PM
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26. No.
It was a rare form of cancer. Very rare. Probably just a cosmic ray and a chemical accident in one cell did this to him.
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 04:11 AM
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22. And we've all now been baptized by these freaks of nature
We know what to expect from them and are more prepared.
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 08:26 AM
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23. And we know how to deal with them.
Keep repeating the TRUTH over and over, and they get more and more shrill, and start making themselves look like the utter idiots that they are.
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 06:31 PM
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27. Yep
You especially. You and sfexpat2000 and a number of others, you guys really got the brunt of those cesspool feeding slugs.

And they do look like idiots. I wonder if they've got the Cindy Sheehan slime fest going yet?
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