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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 10:21 PM
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Feith-based intelligence: A Neocon Scandal
{1} "Nobody needs to tell me what to believe. But I do need someone to tell me where Kosovo is."
-- George W. Bush, candidate, 2000

When George W. Bush ran for president, he had virtually no experience with foreign affairs. Thus, it is fair to say that John Dean was correct in saying Bush "was, for all practical purposes, a blank slate to be written on." (Worse Than Watergate; page 105) The job of schooling the candidate fell to a group of "tutors" headed, Dean tells us, by Condi Rice.

At the time, Rice was not a true "neoconservative." Her previous government experience would seem to have placed her more in the school of the elder Bush: a conservative republican, for sure, but not one with the rigid belief system of those who were to be brought in by Vice President Dick Cheney. Still, it is evident that Rice intended to direct Bush in a foreign policy direction selected by Cheney; indeed, she named her team "the Vulcans."

Although Bush lost the election to Al Gore, he would assume the office of president in 2001. He would be the eleventh president that Senator Robert Byrd would serve with. In his book "Losing America," Byrd notes that Bush "entered the White House with fewer tools than most. He had virtually no experience in foreign policy, and little more in domestic policy. .... In short, George W. Bush, a child of wealth and privilege and heir to an American political dynasty, did not pay his dues. He did not have to. His name was Bush and he ran for president because he could and because he was tapped by Republican Party poobahs. .... He was, and is, carefully 'handled' by political operatives who work hard to shield him from complicated or probing questions, and to keep him to 'bullet points' of repetition. His major talent seems always to have been in raising money." (pages 18-19)

There was a brief period when the public hoped that Bush was serious when he claimed he would be "a uniter, not a divider." The only position that he filled that indicated this might be a possibility was his appointing Colin Powell as Secretary of State. This was the first time Powell, a retired military hero, had held a political office.

Within a short period of time, however, it became obvious that Dick Cheney was running the administration. Bush was a ceremonial figurehead who was used primarily in commercials to sell Cheney's agenda. Thus, many in the Cheney administration were surprised to read on September 9, 2001, in a New York Times article, that President Bush had decided he would reverse the policy of refusing to meet with Yasir Arafat. The article quoted an administration official as saying that George was considering meeting Yasir at the United Nations General Assembly, to try to advance the cause of peace in the Middle East.

{2} "On the morning of Wednesday, September 12, Cheney had a moment alone with Bush. Should someone chair a kind of war cabinet for you of the principals? We'll develop options and report to you. It might streamline decision making.

"No, Bush said, I'm going to do that, run the meetings. This was a commander in chief function -- it could not be delegated. He also wanted to send the signal that it was he who was calling the shots, that he had the team in harness. He would chair the full National Security Council meetings, and Rice would continue to chair the separate meetings of the principals when he was not attending. Cheney would be the most senior of the advisers. Experienced, a voracious reader of intelligence briefing papers, he would, as in the past, be able to ask the really important questions and keep them on track.

"Without a department or agency such as State, Defense or the CIA, Cheney was minister without portfolio. It was a lesser role than he had perhaps expected. But he, as much as any of the others, knew the terms of presidential service -- salute and follow orders."
-- "Bush At War"; Bob Woodward; pages 37-38

On January 26, 1998, the Project for a New American Century (PNAC) wrote to President Bill Clinton, demanding that he begin "implementing a strategy for removing Saddam's regime from power." Of the 18 PNACers who signed the letter, 11 held positions of power in the Bush administration when the decision to go to war with Iraq -- a country that had no connection to 9-11. Several will be of interest in the examination of the Plame and the neocon spy scandals: Eliot Abrams, John Bolton, Richard Perle, Donald Rumsfeld, and Paul Wolfowitz.

VP Cheney, being a "voracious reader of intelligence briefing papers," knew that Iraq was not involved in 9-11. Yet in the meetings that President Bush "led," Paul Wolfowitz, Deputy Secretary of Defense continued to state the evidence indicated Saddam played a role.

As Cheney and Wolfowitz would consolidate power within the meetings Bush ran. Evidence shows that Colin Powell and his top assistant, Richard Armitage, did not agree with the effort to target Saddam and Iraq for the attack on the United States on 9-11. As those who have read my previous essay "The Unknown Soldier" know, the neocons in the administration were convinced that: (a) they needed to keep Powell from influencing President Bush; and (b) that they needed to counter "leaks" by Richard Armitage.

Condi Rice had been appointed to deal with the September 9, 2001 article in the New York Times, which had told of a now-forgotten plan to have Bush meet Arafat at the UN. Condi called the FBI, and demanded that they deal with leaks by administration officials, who were leaking information to journalists. That phone call by Condi Rice would have some unintended consequences that were never anticipated by those who wanted to silence Dick Armitage.

{3} "The truth is that for reasons that have a lot to do with the U.S. government bureaucracy we settled on the one issue that everyone could agree on which was weapons of mass destruction as the core reson."
-- Paul Wolfowitz in Vanity Fair; January 2004;

When it became apparent that the CIA and State Department could not only prove that Saddam had no ties to 9-11, and that Iraq posed no threat to the United States, Paul Wolfowitz needed to rely heavily upon Feith-based evidence. Almost immediately after 9-11, there was a shift in staffing, including "loans" of analysts from one department to another. Hence, as we examine some of the players -- who readers may recognize as being involved in the Plame scandal as well as this, the neocon spy scandal -- it can become mildly confusing. Hence, this will be a general review, to be followed by more in-depth studies of some of the criminals in the administration.

Wolfowitz and Douglas Feith, the undersecretary for policy in the Pentagon, recruited David Wurmser to work for them immediately after 9-11. Wurmser set up an un-named intelligence "unit" at the Pentagon, which was responsible for much of the disinformation campaign that resulted in Americans initially supporting the Bush aggression in Iraq. Wurmser's goal was to support Wolfowitz's stance that Saddam was linked to 9-11, and that Iraq posed a threat to the United States.

Wurmser's wife is a neocon employed at the far-right Hudson Institute. She is also one of the top people at MEMRI, a "charity" that is widely recognized as an intelligence front. It was founded by Colonel Yigal Carmon, a 22-year veteran of Israeli intelligence. Mrs. Wurmser has long advocated for a stronger U.S. policy against both Iraq and Iran.

David Wurmser had previously worker for the Washington Institute for Near East Policy. WINEP was founded in 1985 by Martin Indyk, formerly of the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC).

On page 445 of Joseph Wilson's "The Politics of Truth," David Wurmser is identified as one of the administration officials who reportedly talked to journalists about Valerie Plame's status with the CIA.

Another person connected to Feith was Lawrence Franklin. Although Franklin is refered to as Feith's deputy, his immediate supervisor was William Luti. Luti is a student of former Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich. Readers may recall that Newt Gingrich is reported on page 452 of Joseph Wilson's book to be listed as among those who attended the original March 2003 meeting in VP Cheney's office, where it was decided to do a "work up" on Wilson.

Franklin and others began acting beyond their authority, although there is no question that they were encouraged to. For example, Franklin, his colleague Harold Rhode, and Pentagon consultant Michael Ledeen were involved in a "rogue" operation that included meeting in Rome and Paris with Manucher Ghorbanifar. This is the Iranian arms dealer who the American public financed through Oliver North during the Iran-Contra scandals.

Feith's staff was also involved in trading information with Ahmed Chalabi and his Iraqi National Congress. Chalabi, of course, is the favorite Iraqi of the neocons, AIPAC, and MEMRI.

{4} "You set the agenda." -- Lawrence Franklin to Steven Rosen and Keith Weissman of AIPAC.

As a result of Condi Rice's phone call, the FBI was watching a lot of different people in washington, DC. Among them was Larry Franklin. Because David Wurmser was too obviously connected to AIPAC, Larry had been assigned to meet with the top people in what may be the most powerful "lobbying" group in the United States.

Over a three year period, the FBI would monitor numerous meetings between Franklin and the AIPAC representatives Rosen and Weissman. At times, the three were clearly playing a "cloak-and-dagger" game: one morning, for example, them met in one restaurant, moved to a second, and then to an isolated corner of a third restaurant, to be sure they were not being followed.

They were less careful, however, on the telephone. They were overconfident, because Franklin was convinced that the Department of Justice would not be tapping his phone without warning him. But the FBI was.

Franklin's May '05 indictment also shows that he met 14 times with Naur Gilon, an official from a foreign country. After one such meeting, Franklin wrote an "Action Memo" to his supervisor, advocating that US policy be changed to reflect what Gilon suggested.

More, Franklin traded classified documents and other information with the two AIPAC officials, who were indicted late last week. AIPAC used the information to try to influence US policy; they passed it on to at least one official from another country; and to "feed" the news media to influence public opinion.

To show what a small world it is, one of the journalists in question is the Washington Post's Glenn Kessler. Those interested in the Plame scandal will likely recall that Glenn was one of the reporters that Fitzgerald targeted. Glenn gave a taped statement after getting a release from Scooter Libby, allowing him to discuss their July 12 and 18 conversations. Kessler, on the tape played for the grand jury, told Fitzgerald that Libby and he did not discuss Plame, Wilson, or Wilson's trip to Niger.

However, in October of 2003, the Post reported, "On July 12, two days before Novak's column, a Post reporter was told by an administration official that the White House had not paid attention to the former ambassador's CIA-sponsored trip to Niger because it was set up as a boondoggle by his wife, an analyst with the agency working on weapons of mass destruction."

{5} "Washington is a town in which the flow of information is virtually nonstop. ... (There is a clear distinction in the law that) separates classified information from everything else. Today's charges are about crossing that line. Those entrusted with safeguarding our nation's secrets must remain faithful to that trust. Those not authorized to receive classified information must resist the temptation to acquire it, no matter what their motivation may be."
-- U.S. Attorney Paul McNulty on indictments of Franklin, Rosen, & Weissman

Steven Rosen is facing up to 20 years in prison. Weissman faces up to 10 years. Franklin faces up to 45 years of incarceration.

While the prosecutor has told the media that there are no more indictmenta in the immediate future, the investigation is not over. And FBI investigators have told at least one person interviewed that they consider Franklin to be a minor player in this case of espionage.
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donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 10:29 PM
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1. Thanks.
This is great information. Nominated.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 10:35 PM
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2. Thank you.
Hopefully, this will be the first in a series of threads that will help explain some of what is going on in the cases of each of the three indicted so far.
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donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 10:39 PM
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3. What was especially interesting was . . .
"Steven Rosen is facing up to 20 years in prison. Weissman faces up to 10 years. Franklin faces up to 45 years of incarceration.

While the prosecutor has told the media that there are no more indictmenta in the immediate future, the investigation is not over. And FBI investigators have told at least one person interviewed that they consider Franklin to be a minor player in this case of espionage."

Franklin's looking at 45 years and he's a MINOR player? Whoa.


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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 10:44 PM
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4. I am hoping Larry
will change his mind again. Last year he was going to cop a plea, and turn evidence against others higher-up. Then he did an about-face. But people get nervous when incarceration comes closer: his trial starts the first week in September. As the testimony comes in, he's going to feel a lot of tension and anxiety.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 10:50 PM
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5. As the testimony comes in
:popcorn:
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 10:55 PM
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7. These Aipac cases
will have hearings later this month. Poor Larry's trial begins in September. Should be interesting. Hope the corporate media can take a break from the Jackson jurors and cover the proceedings.
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shraby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 10:54 PM
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6. I have a feeling that Fitzgerald's investigation
and the Franklin case are going to merge in some way without much trouble at all. Then the plates will be moving in a big way under the Pentagon and Capitol. A lot of skull-duggery has been going on.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 10:56 PM
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8. Yep.
More to the picture than meets the eye.
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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 05:21 PM
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108. Hmm...more Watergate similarities?
Checking my history, didn't Sirica set the sentences for the Watergate burglars around 45 years originally? Then after McCord spilled the beans the sentences were reduced?

I think Franklin's got a big burden that hopefully McNulty will convince him to unload.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 03:40 AM
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9. Court dates of interest:
Rosen and Weissman are scheduled to appear in court on August 16.

Franklin's trial starts on September 6.
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Doo_Revolution Donating Member (186 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 04:09 AM
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10. The end of the PNAC-AEI front.....
Starts today....I could feel it in my very brow, as Military Generals like General Byrnes attempted to destroy them.

Indictments, blowup, and our revolution to make them stand down and be overthrown started today.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 05:38 AM
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13. I will not count my chickens yet
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Doo_Revolution Donating Member (186 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 05:59 AM
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14. Neither will I....
Notice I said started today, I never leave anything to chance. The world of truth must spread and awaken the asleep from their slumber.
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 04:21 AM
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11. Thank you for this. And what a title! With this awful subject, it's a
relief to smile.

Recommended!
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 05:35 AM
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12. so Newt was in on the meeting also. That guy has his nose in everything.







......Readers may recall that Newt Gingrich is reported on page 452 of Joseph Wilson's book to be listed as among those who attended the original March 2003 meeting in VP Cheney's office, where it was decided to do a "work up" on Wilson.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 07:33 AM
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16. Very important point.
I think that DUers know that un-elected people are holding surprising amounts of power within this administration. Newt left Washington in disgrace. If the general public becomes aware of the extent of influence he has -- including being involved in both of these scandals, and trying to push American policy in the direction of an Iranian arms dealer from the Iran-Contra scandals -- they might come to appreciate how criminal this administration really is.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 07:26 AM
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15. It's a strange case .....
I believe it was an unidentified FBI agent that came up with "Feith-based intelligence."
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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 07:42 AM
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17. thanks, as always
Replying now so I can read at lunchtime or tonight at home.

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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 07:44 AM
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18. Let me know what you think.
I'm going to try to add sections a little at a time. There is so much information, layer after layer, that I want to be sure I present it in a way that makes sense.
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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 01:26 PM
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48. My biggest fear
is one of those blanket pardons like Poppy Bush issued so the country could move past Iran Contra, when he was really covering his own ass.

I get the feeling that Plame, AIPAC, etc will be similar in the end.

Sorry, I'm kind of cynical these days.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 03:13 PM
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54. It is certainly
a possibility. And there may be good reason to think that some pardons are a probability. And that is all the more reason that we have for convicting them in the court of public opinion, and discrediting them to the same extent that Nixon was discredited.
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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-05 07:16 AM
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71. Back when Watergate hearings started...
What was the makeup of Congress in terms of Democrats vs Republicans in the House & Senate when Watergate hearings started? I know Democrats had the majority, and there were actual liberal Republicans like Lowell Weicker around... actually, I think Weicker used to be part of a 'Gang of Four', 4 liberal Republican Senators from the Northeast.

Nowadays, there are no liberal Republicans & conservative John McCain is called a "moderate" for daring to sometimes go against the president.

Does an impeachment vote require a super-majority? (i.e., 3/5 or 2/3 majority)
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 08:26 AM
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19. Meeting at WH today!
MSNBC just reported that there is a meeting of the top dogs at the White House today. They are going to discuss: {a} their concerns with the nuclear programs of Iran and North Korea, and {b} their concerns with the confrontational stance of Iran.

One would think Iran is becoming a point of focus for the administration.

Bush will reportedly take a few questions from reporters around noon. MSNBC said they expect at least one question to be about his refusal to meet Cindy S.!
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dmr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 08:51 AM
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20. At 1:05pm
That's what an email I just rec'd says:

---------------------------------------------------------
First Read: The day in politics by NBC News for NBC News
---------------------------------------------------------

Just as he did with his economic focus on Tuesday, President Bush today huddles at the ranch with his national security team, then holds a press avail to make the case that the situation in Iraq is improving. Today's presser is at 1:05 pm ET.

And, as with the economy, Bush is battling a perception problem in trying to make the case that things in Iraq are getting better. On the former, a welter of data points to economic growth, but high gas prices, wages that aren't keeping up with inflation, and health care costs (as Bush himself noted) are preventing many Americans from recognizing it.

On the latter, the Administration faces a gelling public perception that real improvement will be measured only in US troop withdrawal, whenever it occurs; many Americans tell pollsters that US troops should stay put until the job is done. At the same time, the Pentagon needs to increase troop levels to handle the growing violence leading up to the Monday deadline for the draft constitution and, beyond that, the scheduled October referendum and December elections. After that, the Administration hopes to start a rolling withdrawal to reduce the number of troops in Iraq by the middle of 2006, the midterm election year.

For more: Today's edition of First Read is available now at http://www.FirstRead.MSNBC.com !



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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 09:26 AM
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21. Thanks.
While watching him makes me feel ill, I think it's important to.
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 09:30 AM
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22. I sarted Worse than Watergate and had to put it down
It really is overwhelming what has happened to our government. Perhaps I can pick it up and finish it now. Thank you again for another fantastic post H2O Man.

:)
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 09:35 AM
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23. Thank you.
I'm hoping that people will take an interest in this thread. People like RobertPaulson will, I hope, be adding valuable information on the arms dealers involved. And I hope Understandinglife adds information on the exact charges these folks face.

At a time when the administration is trying to increase tensions with Iran, we should be taking a special interest in this.
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meg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 09:44 AM
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24. Great work! Thank you.
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sunnystarr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 09:52 AM
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25. Well that's 3 that will be on Bush's pardon list.
Anyone convicted in the administration will be pardoned unless Bush is impeached and a Dem takes office. We know that this Congress won't impeach him.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 10:08 AM
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27. You may be right.
But I don't think it is impossible for the congress to begin to take actions.
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im10ashus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 09:52 AM
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26. Feith is rabidly anti-Arab.
Wasn't there something in the 9/11 Commission Report that said he wanted to attack certain countries in South America because he believed there to be a Hezbollah presence in places like Brazil and Argentina?

Great thread, H2O Man!

Kicked and nominated!

:kick:
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 10:10 AM
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28. Yes.
Feith advocated bombing parts of Central America in response to 9-11. He also included targets in South East Asia. Most Americans are unaware of the difficulties which will arise for the USA in SE Asia in the next few years.
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im10ashus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 10:38 AM
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29. Kick! n/t
:kick:
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im10ashus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 10:51 AM
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30. Richard Perle was also his mentor.
Perle, who strongly advocated the invasion of Iraq, and said the war would only last months. Both have strong ties to the Likud party of Israel. No special interests there, huh?
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 10:58 AM
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31. Richard Perle
is definitely one of those people that we need to focus on, in order to understand what is happening with this scandal. I hope to do a series of shorter essays, highlighting a number of these "players." I encourage others to add to this effort.
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im10ashus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 11:14 AM
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33. I'll start my research.
Any points or persons I should focus on? There's a ton of information on Perle.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 12:35 PM
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38. I would suggest
that you focus on what you think is most important and interesting about Perle and his connections to the other players involved. The chances are that what you find of interest is going to be exactly what the rest of us do, too. And it tends to spark the interest of the next person.
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im10ashus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 12:51 PM
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43. And so on and so forth.
Gotcha.
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im10ashus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 02:22 PM
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52. One thing that's bothered me the most about Perle
is his connection to Trireme Partners, which was formed in November of 2001, two months after 9/11. Trireme Partners profits from the war in Iraq and that's one of the reasons it was formed. Seymour Hersh did a piece on Perle and his conflict of interests. I believe Perle was going to sue him, but I am not sure what became of that.

I'm not sure who William Bowles is, but this is a good read on Perle:

http://www.williambowles.info/ini/ini-0141.html

<snip>

Perle on journalist Seymour Hersh
"he closest thing American journalism ha to a terrorist."



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Burried News Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 11:29 AM
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35. Perle's father in law Wohlstetter is interesting.
Google Wohlstetters Pat Lang for interesting story of how they were vetting Pentagon personnel.
http://www.pbs.org/thinktank/transcript1017.html
Excerpt:
Ben Wattenberg: Well, why don’t we pick up the Perle story at that swimming pool. Whose swimming pool was it and what were you doing there?
Richard Perle: It was Albert Wohlstetter’s swimming pool in the Hollywood Hills. Albert’s daughter, Joan, was a classmate at Hollywood High School. We sat next to each other in Spanish class. She passed, I didn’t, but she invited me over for a swim and her dad was there. We got into a conversation about strategy, a subject I really didn’t know much about. Albert gave me an article to read, that was typical of Albert. Sitting there at the swimming pool I read the article which was a brilliant piece of exposition and obviously so. We started talking about it and…
Ben Wattenberg: About nuclear weapons and that kind of stuff?
Richard Perle: It was the called the “Delicate Balance of Terror.” It became quite a famous article in foreign affairs, and it was a way of looking at the strategic relationship between the United States and the Soviet Union and the product of the serious piece of research that he had done as the director of the Research Council at the Rand Corporation in Santa Monica.
Ben Wattenberg: And Albert Wohlstetter is regarded by some as sort of the grandfather of this hawkish mode of looking at things in America? Is that right?
Richard Perle: Well, it happens that a number of people who like to regard themselves as protégés of Albert’s can probably be described as hawks, but it isn’t so much that Albert was a hawk, it’s that Albert was extraordinarily rigorous. For Albert, it was just impermissible to assume anything. You had to run down every fact, every proposition. He was a mathematical logician by training.
Ben Wattenberg: Who were some of his protégés?
Richard Perle: Well, Paul Wolfowitz was one.
Ben Wattenberg: Who’s now Deputy Defense Secretary.
Richard Perle: Yes. Paul was his student in his doctoral thesis under Albert, and Paul Kezemchek who’s now at Dartmouth. But almost everyone who got to know Albert became his student formally or informally. Bob Barkley, the editor of the Wall Street Journal was a great admirer of Albert’s and learned a lot from him. You couldn’t help but learn from Albert because he was teaching all the time. And what he taught us to do was think hard about difficult issues, and if several of us wound up hawks, we’d like to think it’s because that’s the product of thinking hard about the dilemmas that a difficult world poses, particularly for policy makers in democratic societies. END
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 12:47 PM
Response to Reply #35
41. Interesting.
Thank you.
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Burried News Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 12:58 PM
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45. Wohlstetters vetting efforts
http://www.mepc.org/public_asp/journal_vol11/0406_lang.asp
Excerpt:
Chalabi's American connections played a dominant role in the INC's evolution over the next dozen years. At the University of Chicago, Chalabi had been a student of Albert Wohlstetter, a hard-line Utopian nuclear-war planner who had been the dissertation adviser to another University of Chicago Ph.D., Paul Wolfowitz. Wohlstetter had also been a mentor to Richard Perle. In the summer of 1969, Wohlstetter arranged for both Wolfowitz and Perle to work for the short-lived Committee to Maintain a Prudent Defense Policy, a Washington-based group co-founded by two icons of American Cold War policy, Dean Acheson and Paul Nitze. Wolfowitz and Perle remained close collaborators from that time forward.

Chalabi, an Iraqi Shia Arab, had fled Iraq in 1958, just after the overthrow of the royal Hashemite government. His father and grandfather had held cabinet posts in the British-installed Hashemite regime. Before coming to the United States to obtain a doctorate, Chalabi lived in Jordan, Lebanon and Britain. He returned to Beirut after obtaining his doctorate, but in 1977, he moved to Jordan and established a new company, the Petra Bank, which grew into the second largest commercial bank in the country. Twelve years later, the Jordanian government took over the bank and charged Chalabi, who fled the country, with embezzling $70 million. In 1992, Chalabi was tried and convicted in absentia and sentenced to 22 years at hard labor. One of the persistent stories concerning this scandal is that Chalabi's Petra Bank was involved in arms sales to Iran during the Iran-Iraq War, and that Saddam Hussein discovered this and pressured King Hussein of Jordan to crack down on Chalabi.

Shortly after his hasty departure from Jordan, Chalabi, with the backing of his neocon allies in Washington, most notably, Paul Wolfowitz, Richard Perle and Professor Bernard Lewis of Princeton, helped launch the INC. Chalabi had first been introduced to Perle and Wolfowitz in 1985 by their mutual mentor, Albert Wohlstetter. Bernard Lewis met Chalabi in 1990 and soon thereafter asked his own allies inside the Bush 41 administration, including Wolfowitz's Pentagon aide Zalmay Khalilzad, to help boost the Iraqi exile. Another future Bush 43 Iraq War player also met Chalabi about that time. General Wayne Downing was first introduced to Chalabi in 1991, when Downing commanded the Joint Special Operations Command (JSOC) at Fort Bragg, North Carolina.

In November 1993, Chalabi presented the newly inaugurated Clinton administration with a scheme for the overthrow of the Saddam Hussein regime. Dubbed "End Game," the plan envisioned a limited revolt by an insurgent force of INC-led Kurds and Shiites in the oil regions around Basra in the south and Mosul and Kirkuk in the north. The "End Game" scenario: at the first sign of revolt against Saddam, there would be a full-scale insurrection by military commanders, who would overthrow the Saddam clique and install a Washington- and Tel Aviv-friendly, INC-dominated regime in Baghdad. The plan was based on a belief that Iraq was ripe for revolt and that there were no units in the armed forces that would fight to preserve Saddam's government. Since the same units had fought to keep Saddam in power during the Kurdish and Shia revolts of a few years before, it is difficult to see why the sponsors of End Game would have thought that. A limited effort to implement End Game ended in disaster in 1995, when the Iraqis did fight to defeat the rebels and the Iraqi Army killed over 100 INC combatants. From that point on, both the CIA and DIA considered Chalabi "persona non grata." The CIA also dropped all financial backing for Chalabi, as the INC, once an umbrella group of various opposition forces, degenerated into little more than a cult of personality, gathered together in London, where Chalabi and his small group of remaining INC loyalists retreated. END
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Burried News Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 01:10 PM
Response to Reply #45
47. Pat Lang was one of the 10 signatories to last weeks letter
from Intelligence experts who explained the importance of Plame's covert status. Regarding vetting - from the link above:

"Parenthetically, I received what seems to have been an exploratory recruiting visit from Dr. Wohlstetter and his wife, Roberta. In 1992, the Wohlstetters unexpectedly arrived at my doorstep at the Pentagon with the news that a mutual friend, now a senior personage in the Pentagon, had told them to visit me. There followed an hour and a half of conversation involving European and world history, philosophy and a discussion of the various illustrious people who were friends and associates of the Wohlstetters. Roberta Wohlstetter went so far as to show me various books that they and their friends had written. An unspoken question seemed to hang in the air. After a while they became impatient with my responses and left, never to return. Clearly, I had failed the test. At the time, I only vaguely knew who these people were and did not really care, but since they have become so important to this story, I have inquired of various people who might have received similar visits and found that this was not uncommon. An old academic colleague of Wohlstetter has also told me that the couple had done similar things in the university setting."
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 01:37 PM
Response to Reply #47
50. Land and the Wohlstetters
are detailed on pages 432-3 of Wilson's book. Very important.
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 11:03 AM
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32. Is this your writing? Because, its really good
and you touch on a lot of very good points.

I think a lot of the mess we are in now is because Bush was (and still is) dangerously unqualified.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 12:32 PM
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37. Thank you.
Bush is clearly the least qualified president this nation has ever endured. Add to that a vp who belongs in prison, and who is abled to manipulate the president and the congress as if they were mere inmates in an institution where there are no rules. That is a large part of the problems we face as a nation.
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MsAnthropy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 11:23 AM
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34. Excellent! Thank you!
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 12:36 PM
Response to Reply #34
39. Thank you.
It's good to have people take an interest in this.
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Pithy Cherub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 11:36 AM
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36. H2O Man, You are our chronicler of history, our Homer.
The executive summary is also pointing to keeping this travesty "alive" by snippets of information being leaked about Cheney being the successor and heir apparent to the presidency. This would be important for Cheney to run as a presidential candidate to try and keep these felons in positions of power and have a full 12-16 year implementation plan.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 12:40 PM
Response to Reply #36
40. Correct.
Woodward has mentioned that Cheney was pulling the strings to try to build a foundation for a "draft Cheney" movement in 2008. He should be incarcerated by then, hopefully.

I assume you mean Homer Simpson. My children have made the same comparison. (grin)
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CWebster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 12:48 PM
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42. That Israel connection and no one breath a word
That would be antisemitic.

Meanwhile, while they publicize the big pull out of Gaza (from the International Herald Tribune, because our eyes are shielded):


http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0811-24.htm


Were it any other country, would we tread so carefully? Say, the Afrikaner Boers?
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 12:52 PM
Response to Reply #42
44. I hear you.
That's a significant part of this issue. And while it has nothing to do with being pro-Israel or anti-Israel, many will interpret it that way.
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BrotherBuzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 01:06 PM
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46. Is the un-named intelligence "unit" in the Pentagon...
the OSP (Office of Special Planning) or is the un-named unit another beast entirely?

H2O Man, I like ther way you have been connecting the dots. Lots, and lots of dots. :thumbsup:
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 01:34 PM
Response to Reply #46
49. Another beast.
It was an entity connected to OSP, made to take some very under-handed actions.

Thank you regarding "connecting the dots." I have quite a few more dots that I'll connect on these threads in the next eight weeks.
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loudsue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 01:43 PM
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51. Another blockbuster thread, H20 Man!
:applause: Thank you for starting this thread! :hi:

The neocons are incredibly tight... Nazi style. They pull together, march in step to the same devilish drumbeat, year after year. They are disciplined, dirty, and carefully schooled in how to "use the system" (albeit, in a remarkably twisted, treasonous way) to further their arrogant and dirty cause -- global dominance, and unlimited power.

They use our own Democratic freedoms to move freely in their slimey underworld, in their attempts to undermine those same freedoms for the rest of us.

I look forward to where this thread may take us, as this very tangled web starts to unwind. I just hope the forces on our side are still strong enough to be able to catch them in their own web.

:kick:
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-05 02:06 PM
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82. Hello.
Glad you like the thread.
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 02:48 PM
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53. H20Man: here is the link to the Franklin indictment thread and ...
... a new post from Raw Story:

Rove, Novak, the WHIGers and others got some really bad news today

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=4263356



Senate Intelligence chairman quietly 'fixed' intelligence, and diverted blame from White House over Iraq

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x1694480



Peace.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 03:15 PM
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55. Great!
Thank you!
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im10ashus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 03:32 PM
Response to Reply #55
56. Kick! n/t
:kick:
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 05:09 PM
Response to Reply #55
60. Here's something new that is related ....
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im10ashus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 04:14 PM
Response to Original message
57. Kick! n/t
:kick:
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Schweeney Donating Member (18 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 04:24 PM
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58. Fascinating and Important
Thank you so much for connecting these dots.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 04:56 PM
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59. Thank you. n/t
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im10ashus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 07:38 PM
Response to Reply #59
63. In Seymour Hersh's "Chain of Command:
The Road from 9/11 to Abu Ghraib" he says of Feith on pp. 221-22:
"Feith and Luti see everybody not 100 percent with them as 100 percent against them - it's a very Manichaean world", a defense consultant said.

of Luti, Hersh says on p. 177:
Senior State Department officials were particularly displeased with William Luti, the deputy assistant secretary of defense for Near East and South Asian affairs. Luti, a retired Navy captain and Gulf War combat veteran served on Vice President Dick Cheney's staff in the summer of 2001, was seen by the people at State as so obsessed with an immediate overthrow of Saddam that he hadn't thought through the consequences. Luti's supporters, however included Richard Perle.



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im10ashus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-05 12:44 PM
Response to Reply #59
79. More on Luti
The existence of a June 2002 memo—revealing that intelligence from the INC was being sent directly to the offices of Dick Cheney and William Luti—is reported in the December 15 issue of Newsweek magazine, which also reports that Francis Brooke, a DC lobbyist for the INC, admits having supplied Cheney's office with information pertaining to Iraq's alleged arsenal of weapons of mass destruction and Saddam's supposed ties to militant Islamic groups. Furthermore, he acknowedges that the information provided by the INC was driven by an agenda. “I told them , as their campaign manager, ‘Go get me a terrorist and some WMD, because that's what the Bush administration is interested in.’ ” Brooke had previously worked for the Rendon Group, “a shadowy CIA-connected public-relations firm.” However, an unnamed Cheney aid interviewed by the same magazine flatly denies that his boss' office had received raw intelligence on Iraq.
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 06:04 PM
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61. The corruption of this cabal really is crazier than fiction.
I don't think I will EVER get over the obnoxiously traitorous behavior of these people.

Thank you for yet another informative post!!! :yourock:
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BelgianMadCow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 06:51 PM
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62. your threads should be automatic bookmarks
:kick:
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dmr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 08:20 PM
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64. Kick
:kick:
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al bupp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 10:05 PM
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65. As a Latecomer to this Thread
All I can do is tip my hat, and give it a :kick:
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-05 06:52 AM
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66. Part 2: "the Karl Rove of AIPAC"
Who is Steven J. Rosen, the "former" AIPAC official who is charged with espionage in the neocon spy scandal? That is an important question. Rosen is called "the Karl Rove of Israeli-American" politics.

Because discussions of Israeli-American politics is a sensitive subject, this examination of Rosen will avoid commenting on them. I think that it important to be able to speak about extremists in any nation -- including the USA, China, England, Iraq, Iran, Israel, and I don't want to forget Poland -- without that discussion being viewed as being pro- or anti- that nation. My belief that Karl Rove should be frog-marched from the White House is not an anti-American emotion, for example.

That said, when I read that a person is compared with Karl Rove, I have immediate concerns. And when I read that Mr. Rosen, who joined AIPAC in the early 1980s, was good friends with Senator Jesse Helms, my concerns double.

Until the 1980s, most Americans associated Jewish American politics with liberal causes. The single best example, in my opinion, was the Civil Rights movement. Not only did Jewish Americans help to finance many of the organizations that were the foundation of the movement, and march arm-in-arm with black Americans long before it became "in style" .... but the Jewish experience served as a model for progressive black leaders to use in terms of learning self-sufficiency within the greater society. More, Jewish Americans were willing to absorb much of the hostility and hatred of the racist, ignorant forces that sought to crush the Civil Rights movement.

And so it was a curious thing, in the early 1980s, that Steven Rosen was intent upon moving AIPAC from the democratic mainstream to the far right of the republican party. His friends and admirers say that he recognized then that there was a major political shift occuring within the United States. However, I think that a study of Rosen indicates that he wasn't simply a person looking to see which side the bread was buttered on, but instead was one of the original neocon activists, with an agenda that he knew was achievable.

He is called a genius at political strategy and subterfuge. I do not think this is exaggeration. He was a student of Nixon-style politics. For example, he kept a detailed "enemies list" of journalists and politicians. He would send AIPAC student interns to work "under cover" for politicians or organizations that he thought were pro-Arab. He was an extremely capable fund-raiser, who invested money to his best advantage, which was always to promote the neoconservative agenda within the United States.

Conservative commentator Patrick Buchanan has often called Washington DC "Israeli-occupied territory" in specific reference to AIPAC's influence in both the democratic and republican parties. Rosen's influence was not limited to the Jewish community; in fact, many of the more liberal Jewish-American activists say that Rosen isn't pro-Israel at all, and that he is simply an extremist. In fact, then Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin specifically asked Rosen to butt out of the peace process in the Middle East, because it had become apparent that Rosen was an agitator who was not interested resolving the conflicts between Israel and Palestine.

After Rabin's request, Rosen became focused on two nations in the Middle East: Iraq and Iran. He has advocated that the United States take an aggressive policy aimed at regime change in both countries. This has included his attempting to strengthen ties between the US and such characters as Ahmed Chalabi and Manucher Ghorbanifar.

While we are all entitled to our own political beliefs, Mr. Rosen has long been in possession of classified intelligence documents that it is illegal for him to have. Included among these are numerous ones that he got from Lawrence Franklin. More, Rosen acted in a manner that indicates he was confident that he could influence the structure and policy-making of the federal government. For one example, the FBI has tapes of him saying he was going to get Franklin promoted to the NSC, where he would be "at the president's side," and able to exercise more direct influence.

The FBI has information that shows that Rosen himself exercised an unhealthy and direct influence on every administration since Reagan was president. One of the building-blocks of the FBI's case against him, which will be made public in an edited form fairly soon, is a 1983 Rosen memo that states that he had channels to classified documents which would help AIPAC influence US policy in the Middle East.

When the public finds out who was channeling these classified documents to Mr. Rosen, it will not be pretty for the current administration.
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cthrumatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-05 06:56 AM
Response to Reply #66
67. thank you for ALL of your work
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-05 06:58 AM
Response to Reply #67
68. I had a feeling
that you would find post #66 of interest.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-05 07:04 AM
Response to Reply #68
69. Here ya go:
You may have seen it, as it is an older pic of mine. :D



I never got around to doing pics of Steven Rosen, or Weissman and Franklin. I didn't find any decent photos that were interesting... I'd rather seem them in handcuffs, wearing orange anyway! :)
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-05 07:11 AM
Response to Reply #69
70. YIKES!!!!
An ugly sight, this early in the day. Actually, you probably make him a little less unattractive!
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-05 07:22 AM
Response to Reply #70
72. So THEY say...
:)



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im10ashus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-05 10:57 AM
Response to Reply #69
76. I can't see the picture. n/t
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im10ashus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-05 06:01 PM
Response to Reply #69
87. DOUBLE YIKES!
That's frightening at any time of day. :-)
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-05 06:37 PM
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89. Wanna see something scary?
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im10ashus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-13-05 04:48 PM
Response to Reply #89
97. That's HILARIOUSLY scary.
:rofl:
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Jazzgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-05 07:54 AM
Response to Reply #66
73. The last sentence is quite telling.
"When the public finds out who was channeling these classified documents to Mr. Rosen, it will not be pretty for the current administration."

We can only hope.....
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-05 08:33 AM
Response to Reply #66
74. I have been so interested in this story since it's first reporting
Thanks H2O Man

:hi:

Analyst Charged With Passing Iran Info: Franklin Turned Self InTo FBI
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=1444053

Fieth resigns from Pentagon today
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=1186412

Former CIA official looks to leak the truth
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=886884

New Israeli spy probe has a 30-year history, insiders say
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=852863

Israel's Mole Inside the Pentagon
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=783161

FBI probes Jewish sway on Bush government
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=802725

Money from Iran Fuels Iraq Insurgency -Rumsfeld
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=810129


FBI probes Jewish sway on Bush government
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=802725&mesg_id=802725

Israeli spy nest in the U.S. - Ashcroft says: ’Don’t arrest them!’
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=802249

Ashcroft Nixes Arrests in Israeli Spy Probe
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=796806

Secrets: Classified Info: Springing a Leak
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x803017

FBI probes Jewish sway on Bush government
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=802725

Spy Case Renews Debate Over Pro-Israel Lobby's Ties to Pentagon Cons
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=804314

Israel's Mole Inside the Pentagon
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=783161

Pro-Israel Lobby Has Strong VoiceAIPAC Is Embroiled in Investigation
of Pe
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=803035

Defense, Cheney Iran Specialists Questioned in (Israeli Spy) Probe
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=801031

Leak Inquiry Includes Iran Experts in Administration (WaPo)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=801678

White House Learned of Spy Probe in 2001
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=800454

LAT: Israel Has Long Spied on US,Say Officials(but CIA, Mossad "intimate")
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=798631


Wider FBI Probe Of Pentagon Leaks Includes Chalabi - WaPo
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=798333

Serving Two Flags The Bush Neo-Cons and Israel
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=799167

Israeli political advisor may have received U.S. secrets
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=795817


Pentagon leaks connected to battle over Iran policy (this is big!)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=797846

Pentagon Office in Spying Case Was Focus of Iran Debate
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=796889

Alleged Pentagon Leak to Iraqi Is Under Investigation
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=798060

Spy probe scans neo-cons' Israel ties (long article from Asia Times)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=794029

AIPAC hires lawyers
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=794332

IAEA: No proof of secret Iran plan
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=793930

WP: Spy Probe Expands/Linked to NSC Probe
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=795385

Pentagon Office in Spying Case Was Focus of Iran Debate
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=795432

U.S. Spy Probe Focuses on Two Lobbyists -Guardian
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=794973


Original thread
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=125&topic_id=18796
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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-05 11:41 AM
Response to Reply #74
77. thanks for all the links!
I'll have a lot of reading to do tonight when I get home from work.
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im10ashus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-05 12:38 PM
Response to Reply #74
78. Thanks seemslikeadream!
Great links. :kick:
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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 04:40 PM
Response to Reply #74
106. Hey seemslikeadream, you think this all goes back to the Riggs Bank?
Here's a good article I found:

Going to School on Doug Feith
A Pentagon neocon's money connection to—what else?—Bush, oil, and torture

Top Pentagon official and ardent neocon Doug Feith, boss of suspected spy for Israel Larry Franklin, has contended for years that the U.S. needed to expunge Saddam Hussein because the guy was a ruthless and horrible dictator.

But neither Feith nor the rest of the Bush regime and their financiers seem to have a problem with blood money from Teodoro Obiang, the brutal ruler of Equatorial Guinea. Obiang and his family ran millions of dollars they got from big oil companies through personal accounts in Bush sugar daddy Joe Allbritton's Riggs National Bank, and Obiang's brother—who is accused of torturing prisoners with stinging ants—was touted by a top bank official as a "valued customer." (See this previous Bush Beat item for details.)

Now it turns out that Allbritton, whose control of Riggs finally collapsed this summer after those revelations, has contributed large sums of money to a private school of which Doug Feith is a director and former president.

Allbritton pumped millions of dollars from his own holdings of bank stock and from George W. Bush's uncle Jonathan's investment-banking operation (which was part of the Riggs National Bank conglomeration) into the Allbritton Foundation, according to federal tax records pored over by the Voice. During 2000 and again in 2002, the records show, the foundation donated $25,000 to the Charles E. Smith Jewish Day School, the Rockville, Maryland, institution connected to Feith. The school is one of the most prominent private Jewish schools in the country. It's the only Jewish school listed as receiving money from the foundation.

more...

http://www.villagevoice.com/blogs/bushbeat/archive/000248.php

Geez, how many scandals do you think are connected here?
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 07:19 PM
Response to Reply #106
115. RIGGS BANK! robertpaulsen I thought I'd never hear that name again!
Bank with close ties to Bush administration engulfed in scandal
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=775366

NEW details of Thatcher coup plot: London Evening Standard
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=777970

SEC probes Marathon Oil payments in Equitorial Guinea (and HQ burns down)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=728495

Du Toit admits meeting Thatcher
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=775274

Terrorist Stocks?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=775943

'Petroleum lures dogs of war to Africa'
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=775315

BBC News: Thatcher charged
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=775499

Margaret Thatcher's Son Released on Coup Plot Charges (Update2
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=775803

Exiled leader in Spain denies any link to coup attempt
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=780228

Scorpions say have more info on Equatorial Guinea coup
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=781763

Financiers conspired to overthrow oil-flush African government
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=771532

Mark Thatcher: The money trail
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=780222

Thatcher case twist as list of alleged coup backers vanishes
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=779708

Thatcher: Spain 'secretly backed coup by sending warships'
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=780346

WaPo: Allbritton Loses Riggs Bank (front page, day 3)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=691609

E Guinea 'coup plot' verdict due + update/result
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=1023049

I feel like a corpse in a river, says Mark Thatcher as he faces court...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=1020857

Thatcher to face coup questions
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=1018687

Phone links Thatcher to alleged plot

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=1008002
There was no coup plot, says Du Toit
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=997545

Thatcher to ask Britain to help halt extradition
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=1005084

Thatcher charged over coup plot
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=1001670

Thatcher to be tried in absentia
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=994305

Britain knew in advance of Equatorial Guinea coup plot: report
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=987556

Tories Demand Answers on 'Coup Plot'
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=991361

Mandelson faces questioning over 'link' to coup plot
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=975777

Legal Woes Cut Into Bottom Line at Riggs
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=974861

Mugabe flies to Equatorial Guinea (coup plot latest)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=964525

Despots, Deposits & Directors - Riggs Bank
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=924033

SABC asks to broadcast Thatcher court case
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=926588

Spain calls on EU to warn Equatorial Guinea - Riggs Bank
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=916444

Raids 'break up' £20m theft gang
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=906579

Thatcher coup plot: Mandelson, CIA & State Department named
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=900168

Archer 'link to coup plot'
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=899574

Britain accused of failing to investigate Africa coup
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=901850

Pentagon link to Guinea coup plot
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=867591
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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 07:40 PM
Response to Reply #115
117. WHOA! Good thing I bookmarked this thread.
Thanks. I'll enjoy reading all of these threads and I'm sure find out that Feith's connection with both scandals is just the tip of the iceberg.
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im10ashus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-05 09:36 AM
Response to Reply #66
75. So much subterfuge.
The more I learn about AIPAC, the more the hair on the back of my neck stands on end. Rosen has wielded so much power since the Regan days and we are just now starting to see how corrupt that power has become. I hope nobody is surprised when we go marching into Iran.
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-05 12:54 PM
Response to Reply #66
80. Could it be *gasp* recess-appointed Bolton?
:shrug:
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im10ashus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-05 12:56 PM
Response to Reply #80
81. That's one I was thinking of. Also *gasp* Rove?
:shrug:
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-05 07:12 PM
Response to Reply #66
90. DAMN How did I miss this thread?
Fine work there my friend.

-Hoot
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-13-05 07:05 AM
Response to Reply #90
93. I certainly hope
that you will be an active participant in the series of threads we will be doing in the next eight weeks on this and Plame.
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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 06:47 PM
Response to Reply #66
113. Great post!
Here's a link to your Rosen-Rove comparison:

The fact that that brilliant player, Steve Rosen, could become the target of a counterintelligence investigation during this Republican Administration is rich in irony. Several former Rosen associates describe him as a genius at political strategy and subterfuge, the Karl Rove of Jewish-American politics, who helped engineer the lobby group's shift to the right on the American political spectrum; helped broker a strategic alliance between the pro-Israel lobby and Republican far-right legislators, including Senator Jesse Helms, in the 1980s; and who marshaled his organization's resources to conduct de facto intelligence operations of his own.

more...

http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml?i=20050801&s=rozen
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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 07:08 PM
Response to Reply #113
114. More from the same link. Interesting possibilities.
I think these paragraphs not only show what the whole AIPAC scandal might be about, it may also illustrate the means through which the neo-cons inside the OSP were able to "twist intelligence" to bolster the case for war against a WMD-less Iraq and get away with it:

Another intriguing issue: The indictment describes Franklin's returning from one of his meetings with Gilon in May 2003 and drafting an "Action Memo to his supervisors, incorporating suggestions made by the FO during the meeting." This suggests the FBI may be interested not only in alleged leaks from Franklin to unauthorized recipients but in the possibility of Franklin's feeding information from those officials back into the system, in an effort to influence US policy toward Iran. This raises the question of whether the government thinks the nature of the conspiracy was not only a matter of unauthorized leaks but also a coordinated effort by Franklin and perhaps his alleged co-conspirators to shape the US policy environment in a kind of agent-of-influence scenario. The US Attorney's office declined to comment on the case.

The Nation has learned that among the documents the FBI has in its possession is a memo written by Rosen in 1983, soon after he joined AIPAC, to his then-boss describing his having been informed about the contents of a classified draft of a White House position paper concerning the Middle East and telling his boss that their inside knowledge of the draft might enable the group to influence the final document. The significance would seem to be an effort by the FBI to establish a pattern of Rosen's accessing classified information to which he was not authorized, not just from Franklin but over many years. Rosen's attorneys declined to comment on the allegation.

Stephen Green, a Vermont state legislator and former UN official who in the 1980s pursued independent scholarship critical of Israeli-US relations including by requesting through the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) State Department documentation on counterintelligence probes, says the FBI's concerns about Rosen pre-date the September 2001 news leak incident. Green says in meetings with FBI investigators last year, "I was told by investigators that his name has showed up in wiretaps more than once over time," Green told The Nation. What's more, Green says, he believes the FBI considers Franklin only a little fish useful to getting Rosen.

Former FBI attorney Harvey Rishikof says that both theories, that this investigation is about leaking, or that it is motivated by graver counter- intelligence concerns, could be true. "They are not necessarily opposing theories," Rishikof told The Nation. "If you are worried about counterintelligence issues, and counterintelligence issues are also related to leak issues, so that individuals are using strategic leaks basically for counterintelligence purposes, you then link up the two threads...If you were the government, the leaks then become the method by which you are able to shut down what appears to be a counterintelligence problem."


I know, nothing there about OSP or Iraq. That's just my own inquisitive wondering at the above theory: could the OSP have operated in the same manner?
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-05 02:31 PM
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83. Kick for the Waterman!
Going to read THIS thread first!

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im10ashus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-05 04:22 PM
Response to Reply #83
84. Kick! n/t
:kick:
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donkeyotay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-05 05:06 PM
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85. This one's a keeper. Thanks!
I'll have to bookmark and digest this, and I look forward to your upcoming posts. Here's a tidbit for those of us who wonder how many of these scandals might morph together into one big one:

from an article by Jim Lobe:

Like his mentor, former Defence Policy Board Chairman Richard Perle, Feith has long been a hardliner on foreign policy, arms control issues and Israel.

As a youth, his father, Dalck Feith, was active in pre-World War II Poland in Betar, a militantly Zionist movement and forerunner of Israel's Likud Party. His parents perished in the Nazi Holocaust, according to the neo-conservative 'Wall Street Journal', which last week demanded a public apology from Powell for his reference to Feith's operation as the "Gestapo Office".

Feith worked for Perle in the Pentagon under Ronald Reagan, and the two teamed up in the late 1980s to lobby on behalf of the Turkish government and build military ties between Turkey and Israel. In 1996 he participated in a private study by a right-wing Israeli think tank that called for ousting Saddam Hussein as a means to transform the balance of power in the Middle East in such a way that Israel could ignore pressure to trade "land for peace" with the Palestinians or Syria.

http://www.ipsnews.net/africa/print.asp?idnews=23822

I think Perle was registered at one point as an agent of a foreign country (Turkey).

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dmr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-05 05:19 PM
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86. H20 Man & Seemslikeadream - thank you
This is another awesome thread, H20 Man.

And thank you for post # 74, SLAD, there's plenty of reading to keep me busy for the week-end, and to archive for the future.

Many, many thanks! I always look forward to threads and posts made by both of you.

:yourock:
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-05 06:27 PM
Response to Reply #86
88. Amerikan Spies for Israel, an Ally of the USA.
Can't we just say that?
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Doo_Revolution Donating Member (186 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-05 07:22 PM
Response to Reply #88
91. I think people misunderstand the severity of the situation....
Israel is not a democracy, it is a dictatorship now under Ariel Sharon.

Its citizens are our allies, its military most definitely is not except under special circumstances...

Read up on what AIPAC actually is please. http://www.fromthewilderness.com

The war is what this is about.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2005/08/12/wiran12.xml&sSheet=/portal/2005/08/12/ixportaltop.html
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-13-05 07:04 AM
Response to Reply #91
92. I think that
what has occured in their government is exactly what has occured in ours: a cabal that is not representative of the population has grasped control of the government.

Thus, I think you are hitting the nail on the head: being opposed to AIPAC doesn't make one "anti-American" or "anti-Israel." It gets played that way by those who need to disguise lies as truth, and distort the truth into a lie.

AIPAC is a dangerous organization that holds far too much power in Washington, DC.
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-13-05 08:15 AM
Response to Reply #92
96. Seems to be a great number ofthose kinds of organizations.
But, I must admit that AIPAC is one of the few with access to a well trained army. PNAC/AEI being another.

-Hoot
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Independent_Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-13-05 08:04 AM
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94. Kick!
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Rabrrrrrr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-13-05 08:12 AM
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95. Wow - nice!
Thanks!
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Coastie for Truth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-13-05 08:18 PM
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98. A different model
Edited on Sat Aug-13-05 08:33 PM by Coastie for Truth
The Feith model is a little bit of a conspiracy theory. Since oil is now over $67/bbl, and gas is hitting $3.00/gallon, I would propose a more transparent conspiracy theory.

If you want conspiracy theories, I tie the whole Iraq War into a small group of "Big Money" players with "dogs in the fight" - not PhD dissertations from the University of Chicago or Johns Hopkins University - but real"big money" skinny on the table-
    * James A. Baker, III, Consigliere to Big Oil and to the "House of Saud" and to the "House of Bush"
    * Lee Raymond, PhD, CEO of Exxon Mobil
    * David O'Reilly, PhD, CEO of Texaco Chevron
    * Ray Irani, PhD, CEO of Occidental Petroleum
    * Lou Gerstner, CEO of Carlyle and former CEO of IBM
    * Rick Wagoner, CEO of General Motors
    * HRH Prince Bandar ibn Saud, former Saudi Ambassador to the US
Now, let's "connect the dots"
    * The US economy needs oil like a junkie needs heroin
    * While the rest of the gambled on smaller, lighter, more economical cars - the US "Big Three" gambled (and will apparently lose) on bigger, gas guzzling SUVs and pickups
    * There is a synergistic macabre "dance of death" between the "Big Three" and "Big Oil."
    * When "Big Oil" sneezes the "Big Three" get pneumonia - remember the "near death experiences" of the domestic auto makers every time there was an oil cut off or embargo.
    * Actually read "PNAC" - "Program for a New American Century" - I don't care what the Bloggers or the Chat Rooms say---
      o The primary goal in a "Post Cold War" unipolar world is to maintain a "Pax Americana"
      o One goal of the "Pax Americana" is to protect oil
      o To do this, under the PNAC model, the US must actively assert hegemony over the oil lands (just like post WW I Britain's "Sykes Picot Agreement"
      o Israel is an after thought - a secondary or tertiary beneficiary ("Lagniappe" as they say in French - "The Thirteenth Dough nut")
      o It is All About OIL and Hegemony Over Oil
      o Our society, our prosperity depend on cheap oil. This is the assumption of the PNAC document.
      o And oil is becoming scarce in absolute terms (it's called "Peak Oil")
      o Oil is becoming scares in relative terms - as India and China compete for a shrinking supply of oil.
    * Hence, the need to "project power" to assert hegemony over oil.


Different model from that in the original append.

Ask yourself two questions (this is called "engineering sensitivity analysis" - you push one variable to zero or infinitely and tweak the others)

    1) What happens to the original model if yoy drop Israel and AIPAC out of the picture - but leave "Big Oil" and the "Big Three" in. I would submit - no change in the current situation.

    2) Now, what happens if you drop "Big Oil" and the "Big Three" out of the picture - but leave Israel and AIPAC in.
      If we suddenly discovered a major (Gulf of Mexico or Persian Gulf or Iraqi or Persian or Saudi level) find of crude in our western desert or Lake Michigan or Minnestoa's "Iron Mines" -- would we be pissing American lives away anywhere "for Israel?"
    To ask the question shows the absurditiy. AIPAC doesn't have near the power of Big Oil or the Big Three or the UAW.


Totally American Blood for Arab Oil
    For Big Oil and the Big Three
      Big Oil Sneezes - and Oil "Peaks" - and GM and Ford fall to Junk Bond status


I am also a blogger. Plus - I have thirty plus years in the alternative, renewable and green energy industry.
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im10ashus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 10:27 AM
Response to Reply #98
99. Great Post!!
It gives much to ponder and "Pax Americana" is definitely what we are seeing in Iraq.

Now that we have "control" over the oil reserves and fields in Iraq, why have the gas prices risen to nearly $3 a gallon? Is that part of the bigger plan for Big Oil or PNAC?

:kick:
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Coastie for Truth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 11:08 AM
Response to Reply #99
102. Because the neocons aren't as smart as they think
with their Harvard MBA's (Rummie, Bush), and Chicago PhD's and JD's, and Hopkins PhD's (Wolfie was Dean).

They forgot about GEOLOGY (as in "peak oil") and economics 101 (as in India and China competing for the same oil).

But Big Oil have their largest quarterly profits in history -- and Peak Oil won't kill them until Raymond, O'Reilly, Irani, and Browne are retired. Same for the Romanov House of Saud - rolling in "monopoly rents."
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im10ashus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 04:47 PM
Response to Reply #102
107. Who is Browne?


BTW. Love your White House Spin. :rofl:
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Coastie for Truth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 05:56 PM
Response to Reply #107
112. Browne is the CEO of British Petroleum (BP) N/T
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brindis_desala Donating Member (866 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 10:47 PM
Response to Reply #98
124. You nailed it. The neocons are only the useful puppets distracting the
suckers. As Stephen Pelletiere points out Rockefeller's skillfully managed to make Big Oil the master of first the State dept and then the CIA. But let's not leave out Petrochemicals and Big Pharma (sidebar: like Enron Bayer was poised to take a huge hit from lawsuits before 9-11) and in which a certain Mr. Gates is now heavily invested. When Rockefeller wanted to dominate control petrochemicals, and pharmaceuticals (derived from crude oil) he had his Standard Oil of New Jersey obtain controlling interest of I. G. Farben.

Big Pharma now infests the U.S. government

"Last year the House Committee on Energy and Commerce discovered that 81 scientists at the government's National Institutes of Health (NIH) were secretly on the payroll of pharmaceutical companies as consultants. Between 1999 and 2004, the fees ranged from $5 to $517,000.

The revelations prompted an internal NIH investigation, which the House Committee recently made public. Of the 81 scientists under scrutiny, 44 violated NIH rules by either failing to disclose income from private work, failing to receive NIH permission for private consulting or conducting private research on government time. Nine scientists are being referred to the Department of Health and Human Services' Inspector General for possible criminal charges.

The individual violations first reported by the Los Angles Times included:

** Dr. P. Trey Sutherland--an NIH Alzheimer's disease researcher--accepted $500,000 from Pfizer without receiving permission or disclosing the income.

** Dr. William Paul--head of the NIH's Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases--accepted $380,000 between 2000 and 2004 from Suntory Pharmaceuticals Research Lab and Novartis AG.

** Dr. Howard Young--section chief of the National Cancer Institute's experimental laboratory--accepted 500,000 shares in stock options from Advanced Viral Research Corp."
http://www.thenation.com/blogs/outrage?pid=7185
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 10:35 AM
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100.  Larry Franklin The Scandal is Bigger Than AIPAC

http://www.alternet.org/story/24011 /

First, the indictment says that from "about April 1999 and continuing until on or about August 27, 2004" Franklin, Rosen and Weissman "did unlawfully, knowingly and willfully conspire" in criminal activity against the United States. So far, no one has explained what triggered an investigation that began more than six years ago. But it reveals how long the three indicted conspirators and "others, known and unknown to the Grand Jury," engaged in such criminal activity. In any case, what appeared at first to be a brief dalliance between Franklin and the two AIPAC officials now -- according to the latest indictment, at least -- spans more than five years and involves at least several other individuals, at least some of whom are known to the investigation. What triggered the investigation in 1999, and how much information has FBI surveillance, wiretaps and other investigative efforts collected?

Second, the indictment makes it absolutely clear that the investigation was aimed at AIPAC, not at Franklin. The document charges that Rosen and Weissman met repeatedly with officials from a foreign government (Israel, though not named in the indictment) beginning in 1999, to provide them with classified information. In other words, the FBI was looking into the Israel lobby, not Franklin and the Defense Department, at the start, and Franklin was simply caught up in the net when he made contact with the AIPACers. Rosen and Weissman were observed making illicit contact with several other U.S. officials between 1999 and 2004, although those officials are left unnamed (and unindicted). Might there be more to come? Who are these officials, cited merely as United States Government Official 1, USGO 2, etc.?

Third, Franklin was introduced to Rosen-Weissman when the two AIPACers "called a Department of Defense employee (DOD employee A) at the Pentagon and asked for the name of someone in OSD ISA with an expertise on Iran" and got Franklin's name. Who was "DOD employee A"? Was it Douglas Feith, the undersecretary for policy? Harold Rhode, the ghost-like neocon official who helped Feith assemble the secretive Office of Special Plans, where Franklin worked? The indictment doesn't say. But this reporter observed Franklin, Rhode and Michael Rubin, a former AEI official who served in the Pentagon during this period and then returned to AEI, sitting together side by side, often in the front row, at American Enterprise Institute meetings during 2002-2003. Later in the indictment, we learn that Franklin, Rosen and Weissman hobnobbed with "DOD employee B," too.

Fourth, Rosen and Weissman told Franklin that they would try to get him a job at the White House, on the National Security Council staff. Who did they talk to at the White House, if they followed through? What happened?

Fifth, the charging document refers to "Foreign Official 1," also known as FO-1, obviously referring to an Israeli embassy official or an Israeli intelligence officer. It also refers later to FO-2, FO-3, etc., meaning that other Israeli officials were involved as well. How many Israeli officials are implicated in this, and who are they?

Sixth, was AEI itself involved? The indictment says that "on or about March 13, 2003, Rosen disclosed to a senior fellow at a Washington, D.C., think tank the information relating to the classified draft internal policy document" about Iran. The indictment says that the think tank official agreed "to follow up and see what he could do." Which think tank, and who was involved?

The indictment is rich with other detail, including specific instances in which the indicted parties lied to the FBI about their activities. It describes how Franklin eventually set up a regular liaison with an Israeli official ("FO-3") and met him in Virginia "and elsewhere" to communicate U.S. secrets
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 10:58 AM
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101. Hmmm,...so, the investigation actually was triggered by the,...
Edited on Sun Aug-14-05 10:59 AM by Just Me
,...activities of AIPAC. Of course, AEI would be melted into this scheme. There are only a handful of "think tanks" that are extreme pro-Israel/anti-Arab.

It's stunning, really, that government officials would EVER prioritize the economic and security interests of another nation OVER (and to the damaging detriment of) the USA.

Just wanted to add: I love you and H2O Man!!! :hug:
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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 01:50 PM
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103. Kick to the top!
Thanks for keeping up the great work! I will read and hopefully have more to say.

:kick:
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 02:41 PM
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104. 10 Out Of 10 On This One
Definitely deserves a bookmarking and a kick. I read today that Margolis is a junkyard dog just like Fitz, so it looks like Comey did right by his friend. The story is on Kos.
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DrFunkenstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 03:11 PM
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105. Wikipedia Is A Great Resource For Info Like This
It is becoming more and more a go-to source for me.
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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 05:24 PM
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109. Hi H2O! Thought you might find this article helpful.
Edited on Sun Aug-14-05 05:27 PM by robertpaulsen
Hall of Mirrors
Laura Rozen

For a nondescript, middle-aged former Defense Intelligence Agency analyst, Pentagon Iran desk officer Larry Franklin had the habit of showing up at critical and murky junctures of recent history. He was part of the Pentagon's Office of Special Plans, which provided much-disputed intelligence on Iraq; he courted controversial Iraqi exile politician Ahmad Chalabi, who contributed much of that hyped and misleading Iraq intelligence; and he participated with a Pentagon colleague and former Iran/contra arms dealer Manucher Ghorbanifar in a controversial December 2001 meeting in Rome--which, in a clear violation of US government protocol, was kept secret from the CIA and the State Department.

In all these endeavors, Franklin, 58, was hardly acting as a lone wolf. Rather, he was wired into a small network of like-minded Iran and Iraq hawks who lobbied fiercely inside and outside the Bush Administration for their policy positions, often in furious opposition to moderate bureaucrats in the State Department and the CIA. Because of their connections and status, the hawks were often successful in short-circuiting standard bureaucratic procedures and getting the attention of the White House. When the news first broke last summer that the FBI was investigating an alleged "Israeli mole" in the Pentagon--inaccurate, as it turned out--the chief suspect, Franklin, was portrayed as just one of 1,300 employees toiling anonymously under outgoing Under Secretary of Defense for Policy Douglas Feith. In fact, Franklin was the Pentagon's top Iran desk officer.

The media has focused its spotlight even more sharply on Franklin since his arrest earlier this month. He was charged by the FBI with disclosing classified information to unauthorized recipients, including "a foreign official and members of the media." (Franklin was released on $100,000 bail and will face a pretrial hearing on May 27.) Two recipients of the information are reported to be recently dismissed employees of the pro-Israel lobby group AIPAC, the American Israel Public Affairs Committee. For close observers of the Franklin/AIPAC case, the question is whether the FBI probe will finally make public the mysterious machinations of Franklin's network in the Pentagon and the Bush Administration, or whether the investigation will become a diversion, obscuring graver failures in judgment by Administration policy-makers. Even more disturbing, there are indications that, like the Valerie Plame leak case, the Franklin affair may turn into an excuse to hound journalists.

It's useful to examine Franklin's alleged crime against the policy backdrop that drove it, in particular the raging interagency debate during Bush's first term concerning US policy on Iran. Fearing the Islamic Republic's growing strength in post-Saddam Iraq and the Persian Gulf generally, the Pentagon neocons thought they had found a creative solution: using the US presence in Iraq and the cultivation of key opposition groups in Iran to destabilize the Tehran regime. Advocating a plan modeled on the Reagan Administration's covert support of anti-Soviet rebels in Afghanistan, the contras in Nicaragua and the Solidarity movement in Poland, the Pentagon neocons urged the Bush White House to sign a presidential directive that would permit covert measures against Iran. They were opposed by State Department moderates, who argued that Iran was playing a quietly helpful role in Iraq. One argument the hawks used in their favor was the existence of US intelligence reports alleging hostile Iranian activities threatening the stability of post-Saddam Iraq. And one group they tried to recruit in support of their proposed directive was AIPAC--a natural ally, since the powerful pro-Israel lobby group has long wielded great influence in shaping the hard-line US policy against Iran.


more...

http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml?i=20050606&s=rozen
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 05:36 PM
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110. Good One RP
It becomes increasingly clear that Franklin wasn't just some ham fisted bungler, as some have tried to portray him, but rather deeply enmeshed in the whole neocon ideology. As I said before it makes me think of the Hansen case.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 12:59 PM
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128. Hansen, yes ....
but we are going to find out in the next few weeks that it is actually even closer related to Jonathan Jay Pollard. (Some may recall that it was impossible for Pollard to have done all he had without at least one other source in the federal government. The CIA and FBI have refered to this person as "Man X" ovr all the years. There have been a few theories on who it could be. The neocon spy scandal may result in his identity surfacing. I would wager that this group could narrow it down to three suspects fairly fast.)
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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 05:52 PM
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111. Had problems posting. Here's the key paragraph.
It's the AIPAC part of the case that is more troubling. While it's no secret that some people in town, particularly those who think Washington Middle East policy shows undue favoritism to Israel, have long thought the lobbying group to be too powerful and wouldn't mind seeing it taken down a peg, it's hard to see why the government would pursue charges in this case, which doesn't appear to be particularly strong or clear-cut, at least in terms of showing anything like a pattern of AIPAC officials serving as a vehicle for passing classified US information to the Israelis. Assuming the government does not have more evidence against the officials than the interaction with Franklin, it's hard to see why the FBI would risk cries of anti-Israel bias in a case with so many mitigating circumstances. Those include the fact that, so far, there's no evidence the AIPAC officials ever actively solicited the information from Franklin, nor that they ever received actual classified documents from him. A second mitigating factor for the defense could be that, according to reports in the JTA and the Jerusalem Post, the substance of the planted information concerned what the AIPAC officials thought to be an immediate threat to Israeli and American lives in northern Iraq--in other words, an exceptional case, in which they might have felt morally obliged to notify the embassy of the citizens of an allied country they thought to be in imminent danger. Finally, it appears the AIPAC officials first went not to the Israelis with the information but to a senior US official who would appear to be authorized to see it: the National Security Council's senior Middle East adviser, Elliott Abrams. It's hard to argue that it's the normal practice of spies to take the classified information they receive to a senior US official.


Another tie between AIPAC and Plame, yes?
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 07:30 PM
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116. Maybe I'm Reading This Wrong
But it sounds like a lot of dis-info to me. Especially when you consider that Israel has been trying to manipulate us into getting rid of their enemies for them. The arguments made seem rather disingenuous. Also, let's not forget that Israel isn't above selling our secrets to other countries, like China.
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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 08:29 PM
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118. I think what Laura Rozen is trying to explore...
in both this article and one I posted above is the question of motive. This is an excerpt from the other article:

"Then along comes a new Administration that is made up of the same neocons that were promoting the Iran policy," the veteran lobbyist continued, "but this Administration was divided down the center.... On the one hand, you have the neocons...on the other side, you have Powell and Richard Armitage and the State department , who want to try to open up a dialogue. One is for confrontation, and one is for dialogue.... So the neocons, the Iran hawks, know that they have got a natural ally...at other think tanks around town who feel the same way they do.... They also have AIPAC, which has made its number-one issue.... My guess is that they went to AIPAC and the others with the same message: 'You have friends we don't have. Help us to persuade them to see it our way.'"

Persuading political heavyweights to see things his way was what Rosen was all about. Sources tell The Nation that Rosen has a long history of cultivating executive branch sources , milking them for information, boasting about his access to AIPAC's funders and leadership, and engaging in strategic press leaks as a regular part of his efforts to influence policy and engage in bureaucratic warfare.

Indeed, the unsealed twenty-page Franklin indictment offers a fascinating peek into the government's view of the Pentagon analyst and the AIPAC officials cultivating one another, presumably attempting to tip the Bush Administration toward a harder line against Iran. For the AIPAC officials, Franklin--who often appears frustrated at bureaucratic obstacles to this harder line-seems to have offered grumbling and insights on the bitter interagency Iran policy debates inside the Administration. For Franklin, the AIPAC officials must have seemed like sympathetic political sophisticates, freed from the tyranny of working in the government bureaucracy but with impressive influence among high-level officials in the White House and key members of Congress. Indeed, in a fascinating reversal of the ordinary official-lobbyist relationship, it appears from the indictment that Franklin thought Rosen could bypass the bureaucracy and take Franklin's information straight to the White House, and possibly "put in a good word for him" to get a job at the National Security Council.


http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml?i=20050801&c=2&s=rozen

The key issue Rozen highlights that I agree with is that this case seems to be about a group of neo-cons whose primary motive was trying to "influence policy". In other words, "twisting intelligence".

We all know Franklin and Rosen weren't the only neo-cons who went "cherry-picking". Remember the OSP? I don't know if the OSP and AIPAC twisted intelligence in the same manner (though that possibility is certainly worth investigating) but with so many of the same players crossing over into each scandal, I would say their motives were certainly the same. I'm not sure if I agree with everything Rozen is saying, but there's a lot to chew on.

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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 08:51 PM
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120. I Agree They Were Trying To Influence Policy
But I think Franklin more entrenched and less bumbling than she does. I think he has been in this hook, line and sinker.
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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 09:05 PM
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121. I think you're right.
Franklin's definitely been on the inside for over 5 years. But after what Karen Kwiatkowski wrote, he's still a mystery to me. Then again, if he's fooled her, he might be a better spy than Rozen is portraying him.

I can't wait to see how this trial turns out. I'm hoping the potential for a 45 year sentence will make him squeal the big names we're all waiting for.
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shraby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 08:32 PM
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119. Plame-AIPAC will be found to have a lot
of the same players. A lot of that article is disinfo, but there is a part of the indictment that says some of the info was fed to reporters first. Do I hear Judy Miller?
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 01:08 PM
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130. Plame and the neocon spy scandal
are the same case. Different aspects of the same case.
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 09:47 PM
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123. You could see the interconnection all through this!!!
I'm not surprised... Israel is definitely a player here because its in their interests for their security!!!
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 01:04 PM
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129. Yes.
Also, do not put too much feith, er, faith in this reporter's works. Some of the basic information is accurate. The journal is good. But don't let that author influence your view.

When Franklin was cooperating with the FBI investigation, he was given a couple small "tasks." One was to feed some false information with the AIPAC lads, and to ask them to go around the bureaucratic walls with it. They FBI wanted to see who these lads were feeding.

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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 12:54 PM
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127. Thanks for posting it!
Things are moving quickly now. I have some "new" information that I might get out in the next 24-36 hours.
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 03:30 PM
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131. Waiting....
with bated you know what.
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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-05 11:57 AM
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132. "New" info? Fantastic!
I'll keep my eyes open.

:bounce:
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-05 12:04 PM
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133. Waiting
:popcorn:
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 09:36 PM
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122. Feith managed the Lie Factory.
Retired Lt. Col. Karen Kwiatkowski pegged Feith for the BFEE turd he is.

Appears that all the flag rank did, too.



"The dumbest motherfucker on the planet." -- Gen. Tommy Franks



The Lie Factory

This special Mother Jones investigation late last year detailed how, only weeks after 9/11, the Bush administration set up a secret Pentagon unit to create the case for invading Iraq. Here is the inside story of how they pushed disinformation and bogus intelligence and led the nation to war.


by Robert Dreyfuss and Jason Vest
January/February 2004 Issue

It's a crisp fall day in western Virginia, a hundred miles from Washington, D.C., and a breeze is rustling the red and gold leaves of the Shenandoah hills. On the weather-beaten wood porch of a ramshackle 90-year-old farmhouse, at the end of a winding dirt-and-gravel road, Lt. Colonel Karen Kwiatkowski is perched on a plastic chair, wearing shorts, a purple sweatshirt, and muddy sneakers. Two scrawny dogs and a lone cat are on the prowl, and the air is filled with swarms of ladybugs.

EXCERPT...

The reports, virtually all false, of Iraqi weapons and terrorism ties emanated from an apparatus that began to gestate almost as soon as the Bush administration took power. In the very first meeting of the Bush national-security team, one day after President Bush took the oath of office in January 2001, the issue of invading Iraq was raised, according to one of the participants in the meeting‚ -- and officials all the way down the line started to get the message, long before 9/11. Indeed, the Bush team at the Pentagon hadn't even been formally installed before Paul Wolfowitz, the deputy secretary of Defense, and Douglas J. Feith, undersecretary of Defense for policy, began putting together what would become the vanguard for regime change in Iraq.

Both Wolfowitz and Feith have deep roots in the neoconservative movement. One of the most influential Washington neo- conservatives in the foreign-policy establishment during the Republicans' wilderness years of the 1990s, Wolfowitz has long held that not taking Baghdad in 1991 was a grievous mistake. He and others now prominent in the administration said so repeatedly over the past decade in a slew of letters and policy papers from neoconservative groups like the Project for the New American Century and the Committee for the Liberation of Iraq. Feith, a former aide to Richard Perle at the Pentagon in the 1980s and an activist in far-right Zionist circles, held the view that there was no difference between U.S. and Israeli security policy and that the best way to secure both countries' future was to solve the Israeli-Palestinian problem not by serving as a broker, but with the United States as a force for "regime change" in the region.

Called in to help organize the Iraq war-planning team was a longtime Pentagon official, Harold Rhode, a specialist on Islam who speaks Hebrew, Arabic, Turkish, and Farsi. Though Feith would not be officially confirmed until July 2001, career military and civilian officials in NESA began to watch his office with concern after Rhode set up shop in Feith's office in early January. Rhode, seen by many veteran staffers as an ideological gadfly, was officially assigned to the Pentagon's Office of Net Assessment, an in-house Pentagon think tank headed by fellow neocon Andrew Marshall. Rhode helped Feith lay down the law about the department's new anti-Iraq, and broadly anti-Arab, orientation. In one telling incident, Rhode accosted and harangued a visiting senior Arab diplomat, telling him that there would be no "bartering in the bazaar anymore. You're going to have to sit up and pay attention when we say so."

Rhode refused to be interviewed for this story, saying cryptically, "Those who speak, pay."

CONTINUED...

http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/2004/01/12_405.html



Way to go, H20 Man! I'm e-mailing this puppy to all my friends on both sides of the fence, as well as the straddlers and stragglers. What hurts the BFEE most is the TRUTH.
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im10ashus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 09:20 AM
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125. Great post.
Thank you. :hi:

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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 12:52 PM
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126. Feith
was fired from a job "in the National Security Council early inthe Reagan administration for leaking classified information to Israel," according to James Bamford's "A Pretext for War" (page 404).
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