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[Chichiri]

From: http://www.in-forum.com/articles/index.cfm?id=100088§ion=Opinion


In regard to the Bush bashers that keep on screaming, “Bring the troops home”: let’s take a brief trip back in history.

Who was the president in office in the “First War to End All Wars”? Who was the president who involved the United States in the second war “to save the world for democracy”? Whose statement was, “Mothers of America, I will never send your sons to die on foreign soil”? Who was president when we went to war in Korea and fired Gen. Douglas MacArthur when pursuing Chinese volunteers too vigorously? What president entangled the United States soldiers in Vietnam where 58,000 Americans gave their lives and now Communism controls the nation?

For the short-sighted, how many people died during 9/11? How many of you would like to go the mall and have a suicide bomber blow themselves up with you in the crowd?

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[ET Awful]

1. What president said, as part of his campaign platform

"I don't think our troops should be used for what's called nation building."

[Chichiri]

2. Oooh, respond to rhetorical questions in kind!

I like that. Anyone else have a rhetorical question for this motherfreeper?

[ET Awful]

4. Well, we could hop around a bit . .

Who said "Read my lips no new taxes?" (he only said that 'cause he was lying out his ass).

Which president, in response to the murder of 241 US Marines in Beirute, responded by withdrawing all US troops from the country?

The list goes on.

[ironman202]

3. and if my grandmother had wheels, she'd be a wagon...

WTF does any of that have to do with Iraq? 1. We didn't instigate any of those wars based on a tissue of lies; Democrats go to war as a last resort. 2. Macarthur wasn't "pursuing Chinese volunteers"; he was about to invade the most populous country on the planet. 3. Eisenhower sent the first "advisors" into Viet Nam in 1958 after it was disclosed in the international media that the French Foreign Legion (which had substantial success in crushing the Viet Cong) was populated largely by former Waffen SS officers (No one killed like the Waffen SS). 4. Roughly 3000 dies on 9/11; Bush has killed roughly 2000 American and god knows how many iraqis. Who is worse? 5. We're not demanding that the troops be brought home tomorrow; We're demanding that the dickhead who sent them into a meat grinder for no good reason be held accountable. 6. EAT ME!!!!

[Chichiri]

5. For the record . . .

the civilian death toll in Iraq is somewhere between 23,456 and 26,559 according to http://www.iraqbodycount.net/

[rateyes]

6. Well. let's see..

WWI--Woodrow Wilson--went to war only after asking for and receiving from Congress a declaration of war, because he could not morally or constitutionally do it himself. Not so with Bushboy and Iraq.

Opening line of Wilson's address to congress: "Gentlemen of the Congress: I have called the Congress into extraordinary session because there are serious, very serious, choices of policy to be made, and made immediately, which it was neither right nor constitutionally permissible that I should assume the responsibility of making."

WWII--FDR--asked for and received a declaration of war after attack on Pearl Harbor---did not go to war pre-emptively, and attacked only the people responsible for starting the war--Germany and Japan.--Not so with Bushboy.

Korea--North Korea fired first shots of that war against South Korea. The United Nations immediately drew up resolution demanding North Korea's retreat--when they didn't comply, we entered the conflict.---DSM and absence of WMD, and fact that Saddam let inspectors in, turned over evidence of WMD destruction, shows not so with Bushboy---While I have some reservations about the US involvement in that war--it was not unprovoked or pre-emptive. And, as far as the firing of McArthur, IMHO, as I understand history, if McArthur had done to me, had I been president, what he did to Truman, I would have fired him, too. Truman, after all, was the commander-in-chief---and, in the end, it turned out to be the right decision.--but, that's up for debate.

Vietnam--actually the first American troops were sent in as advisors by a Republican president named Eisenhower. True, Johnson did up the ante in Vietnam by tricking congress into passing the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution, and then lying to the country about an attack in that gulf. But, Bushboy publicly supported that war--domino theory and all, while at the same time making sure he didn't have to go by pulling strings to get into the Texas Air National Guard, from where he went AWOL. And, it was pressure from a Democratic Congress and a nation that finally woke up to the fact of the lie that got us in it that forced Nixon to pull the troops out.

Bushboy should have learned his lesson from Vietnam, but at the time he was too messed up with alcohol and cocaine to even care about what was going on.

[Chichiri]

7. Thanks!